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| robnas |
Posted - 03/16/2004 : 09:33:51
I remember seeing an interview with the breeders about a year on muchmusic and the interviewer guy mention something kurt said about writing good songs like the pixies. Didn't the breeders open up for them in 93.I am guessing alot of fans came over from the nirvana camp it has to be good exposure for a band that big to say pixies are their favorite band. I donno what can be dicussed about this topic but i am curious to see what pixies fans think.
Here is a transcript of an breeders interview http://www.thenewmusic.net/transcripts/transcript_display.asp?tranID=203 |
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| brysonmeunier |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 13:42:10
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Originally posted by NO.13Girl
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Originally posted by brysonmeunier
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Originally posted by NO.13Girl
I think if I hear how Kurt Cobain was a 'genuis' one more time then I will go take a flying leap off of a cliff.
Dude. That Kurt Cobain: total genius.
How does it feel to be responsible for my suicide?
Just kidding...
Yeeeeaaah... ouch. Sorry about that. My bad.
Bryson
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| NO.13Girl |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 13:27:35
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Originally posted by brysonmeunier
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Originally posted by NO.13Girl
I think if I hear how Kurt Cobain was a 'genuis' one more time then I will go take a flying leap off of a cliff.
Dude. That Kurt Cobain: total genius.
How does it feel to be responsible for my suicide?
Just kidding...
 "I joined the Cult of Frank / Aren't I Special?"
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| brysonmeunier |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 13:04:52
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Originally posted by NO.13Girl
I think if I hear how Kurt Cobain was a 'genuis' one more time then I will go take a flying leap off of a cliff.
Dude. That Kurt Cobain: total genius.
Not really. He was a good songwriter and an intriguing personality, but I don't know. Think most of his supposed genius was being a total schlep like the rest of us. Loved him for it (see my essay 'Kurt Cobain Ruined My Life: One Fan Reflects on the Tenth Anniversary of Nevermind' here for details: http://www.shinygun.com/content/nevermind.html) but come on. Some days it's a wonder he could tie his shoes. Heroin addiction is cruel.
Anyway, what is this, nirvanafanclub.com? Pixies anyone?
Bryson
p.s. genius.
Bryson
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| NO.13Girl |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 12:38:48
I think if I hear how Kurt Cobain was a 'genuis' one more time then I will go take a flying leap off of a cliff.
"I joined the Cult of Frank / Aren't I Special?"
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| audiochild |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 05:45:53
Yeah, Grohl would say that. I don't like most of his songs though.
Grohl is a good drummer, don't get me wrong, but he fucked up with the Foo Fighters - if that's an achievement, I'm a trend-whore.
I don't see what he was trying to do with them.
Nothing maybe? Who knows. I guess I just expected something more from him. I was so let down.
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| paintmeister |
Posted - 03/21/2004 : 17:32:21
At allmusic, it notes that one of Grohl's influences was Frank Black.
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| prozacrat |
Posted - 03/21/2004 : 01:38:04
I like that. I'm not surprised. Grohl worships the ground the Pixies walk on.
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| brysonmeunier |
Posted - 03/20/2004 : 21:28:34
Were this thread entitled "What did Nirvana think of the Pixies?" you really couldn't get a more direct answer than in today's NY Times. Playlist is by Dave Grohl:
PLAYLIST
Paris Hilton Sings and the Pixies Return
By DAVE GROHL
Published: March 21, 2004
THE PIXIES Face it, the quiet/loud dynamic that's dominated alternative radio for the last 14 years can be attributed to one and only one band, the Pixies. Undoubtedly one of the most influential groups of the new rock generation, they are back on tour to reclaim their status as the coolest American band since, well, possibly ever. In the 12 years since the band broke up, we've been blessed with some incredible solo albums from the singer and guitarist Frank Black; the bassist Kim Deal has graced us with the Breeders and the Amps; the drummer David Lovering has become a magician; and the guitarist Joey Santiago, he's just bad (as in good). There is a new greatest-hits CD, a two-and-a-half-hour DVD (both on 4AD) and an 11-city tour kicking off next month. Not to be missed, the Pixies are a live band like no other. Be prepared for an over-capacity sing-along, night after night.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/21/arts/music/21PLAY.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1079845234-7gI+qi/kTqkcQa71AB5Hlw
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| Jason |
Posted - 03/20/2004 : 07:55:00
The signs seem to point to Frank Black not giving Nirvana much thought either way (positive or negative).
When Frank and Bob Mould were interviewed together in 1992 (http://membres.lycos.fr/alec/bf_bm.html), they were asked about Nirvana. Both dismissed the band and were more interested in talking about why they're not into videos.
Quote below:
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MUSICIAN: What did you think about Nirvana's surprise hit? Pretty unorthodox compared to what's right next to it on the charts.
MOULD: You really think it's unorthodox, even compared to what's right next to it?
MUSICIAN: A mountain of pretty damn raw guitars? Definitely.
FRANCIS: Does the hot video have something to do with that? The most records that we ever sold in a week was when one of ours got a little bit warm for a second. They liked the video for « Here Comes Your Man, » they showed it, we sold.
MOULD: The music television channels have become so genre-specific that there's no mystery involved anymore. Now, when MTV flash the name of the blocks up there, I wouldn't go as far as to say that is smacks of racism, but in a sense...to me the allure of music was hearing the word of mouth about a band, or reading about a band from a writer whose opinion I trusted. Now, you've got something in everyone's household telling you what kind of music it is in 20-minute intervals. Where do the Pixies fit into that? Alternative ghetto, or maybe metal. It's as if the change between the rap and the metal section is the changing of the channel. No one's being surprised anymore.
FRANCIS: Plus, you're exposed to the guy's face for three minutes. It's not the world of sound, it's the world of pictures. I was just flipping through last night and saw Nirvana and checked it out a bit. But overall there's nothing there to keep my interest. And it's not as if my standards are too friggin' high. I'll take some good old mainstream crap, but...
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| Douglas |
Posted - 03/20/2004 : 05:06:56
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Originally posted by audiochild
If Nirvana had of released any weak songs, then I would be the first to jump up and admit that they are over-rated. Till you find me a shit Nirvana song, I will stick by my guns.
Nirvana made some bad songs; Blandest, for example. But that doesn't make them overrated. |
| audiochild |
Posted - 03/20/2004 : 03:28:22
You bring up interesting points.
It's hard to say what was what really.
Like you said, 'guess we'll never know..'
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| billgoodman |
Posted - 03/20/2004 : 01:48:53
Nirvana....I don't know
hit and miss
Kurt wanted to be indie, but he wasn't
he was a genius, but not the one he wanted to be
I mean, they record an album with steve albini, because
the breeders and the pixies did, but kurt didn't like the way
it sounded, so they brought in Scott Litt to records some overdubs
for some songs to be more polished (a believe heart shaped box, all apologies and dumb).
He certainly loved the way it looked to be with an underground producer
but he didn't like the way it came out.
Steve Albini did not really like this of course
And there are more stories like this, he really really wanted to make lo-fi like sebadoh in thosedays and stuff, and make music with mentally handicaped people, and become an acoustic guitar player so his music would be more timeless. All great plans, but he never did it, I'm not saying that he wouldn't do it eventually, he never got the chance, therefore it's a shame that he died in 1994, because for me he will remain a dude that had high potential and was very gifted but never in it's right place (for himself).
and ohh yes, I think nirvana has lots of weak songs, can't name them though, and there aren't a lot of them
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| audiochild |
Posted - 03/19/2004 : 20:03:17
True... what I was saying, even though it took long to say it, was basically agreeing with what you had to say.
Yes, they were considered "over-rated" but only to particular people or audiences.
I can see that side of it, it's just a stupid thought to think.
Nirvana never made a weak song - that's why they aren't over-rated in my opinion. A band that is over-rated, to me, is a band like Metallica. A band that has gone on forever and has, in all its time, only ever released one decent CD. Black, and even then, some of the songs on it must be skipped because they get boring too quickly or the song just has no substance. Metallica is over-rated.
If Nirvana had of released any weak songs, then I would be the first to jump up and admit that they are over-rated. Till you find me a shit Nirvana song, I will stick by my guns.
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| VoVat |
Posted - 03/19/2004 : 12:08:07
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I don't think you can say Nirvana are over-rated... I mean, everything that gets big gets called over-rated, that's what happens. You've got to ask yourself why they got so big?
If you ask me, and I know, Kurt set out to cash in on the music industry, but he wanted to do it without compromising. He didn't. You may think he wanted to make Pixies commercial, but it's not like that at all. He hated the fame and success he got. "I do not want what I have got" You can't deny that.
How does any of that indicate that Nirvana wasn't overrated, though? If you think a band got more credit and/or popularity than they deserved, then they're overrated by definition. This is a matter of opinion, though; if you think Nirvana or whoever deserved the fame they got, then, to you, they're not overrated.
It's important to remember that "overrated" doesn't necessarily mean "bad."
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| STFRANCIS DAMDISASTER FAN |
Posted - 03/19/2004 : 10:41:27
Audiochild, well put, almost brings a tear to my eye.
I saw the Beeders open for Nirvana in Dec of 93 in Omaha NE, what a great show!!! Both bands played great sets. It was a good match, one the best concerts I've ever seen. |
| bumblebeeboy2 |
Posted - 03/19/2004 : 10:31:00
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Originally posted by ShakeyShake
Does anyone ever read long posts?
"I joined the Cult of this guy / 'cause they took my other picture away
i read the first word and the last word. i'm sure it was very good though. could have been layed out a little better...
The Shrine of the Sea Monkey!
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| ShakeyShake |
Posted - 03/19/2004 : 10:18:20
Does anyone ever read long posts?
"I joined the Cult of this guy / 'cause they took my other picture away |
| audiochild |
Posted - 03/19/2004 : 07:37:17
I don't think you can say Nirvana are over-rated... I mean, everything that gets big gets called over-rated, that's what happens. You've got to ask yourself why they got so big?
If you ask me, and I know, Kurt set out to cash in on the music industry, but he wanted to do it without compromising. He didn't. You may think he wanted to make Pixies commercial, but it's not like that at all. He hated the fame and success he got. "I do not want what I have got" You can't deny that.
I mean, you can't say that Frank Black never heard a song and didn't get inspired by it. That's how music works. What made Nirvana big was the fact that Kurt wasn't just influenced by punk/punk-rock.
He was, after all, into a lot of different types of music. In his journals he lists like 50 of his favourite albums - ie, 50 albums that could be listened to from cover to cover, and half of them weren't that commercially successful, so whoever said that comment about Kurt changing his opinion is, sorry to say - wrong. Kurts influences opened up more and more, and as I have read and experienced for myself, the age he was at was the age when more and more underground music was opening up to him. It's regardless of what you think, it's what happened that matters.
Nirvana was inspired by everything from the 60s to the Pixies.
Listen to any song in history, and I bet you any drug that song has at least one or more influences where, if you listen with the right ear, you can hear exactly where it comes from.
Music is an ever-recurring cycle, look at it.
Why did Nirvana get so big and why not the Pixies?
Nirvana was different, and to the delight of the record labels, more commercially acceptable, but not neccessarily a very poppy sound, altough he did mention that he considered his music to be pop-punk-rock. But that's because it was popular, it was pop. You know the biggest fault is you underground hags, you block out anything that's 'commercial' because you got these crazy paranoid ideas in your head. The Beatles were pop, and you can't say you don't like the Beatles, if you can, I don't know what's wrong with you. Pop is just something that appeals to the 'mainstream' audience as well. See, in my opinion, any band that can appeal to more than one or two audiences is worthy of listening to. My mum never let me listen to Black Sabbath, but she sure as hell loved it when I cranked on Nevermind for the first time. It appealled to a broader audience.
It was raw, much like one if its inspirators - the pixies. But I'd say his favourite band was really the Melvins. He loved the Vaselines, and even did a cover of Mollys Lips on Incesticide.
Listen to the other albums, yes! they changed their sound after Bleach, then after Nevermind, Incesticide had a different sound, and then In Utero had a different sound - not one weak song. Much like a lot of good music in my opinion...Nirvana was just another timeless band and it sits there on top with a hundred other of the 20th Century Poets.
Saying Nirvana is over-rated is like saying The Beatles are over-rated, or Hendrix or The Who or any other band that "made it".
Nirvana just like The Beatles, appealled to more people.
I wish I could go on, but I haven't got the patience to write any more.
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| boom_cheek_aroon |
Posted - 03/19/2004 : 00:00:55
nirvana are overated.
that is all i have.
fuck me, i know.
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| chineselover |
Posted - 03/18/2004 : 16:14:36
I have a breeders interview at home, its recorded off Irish pirate radio when they were in town years ago, she says some interesting stuff about pixies and the new first FB album (as it was then), but she also says that K Cobain was all lined up to duet on the 'Do you love me now?' single, but then nirvana got so "huge" that they decided to get J Mascis instead. |
| robnas |
Posted - 03/18/2004 : 14:15:55
I am impressed with all the knowledge you guy know with the pixies and nirvana i read all the bio of nirvana i didnt know half of that. I only made this topic because the next day when i went to class in college i said i m going to see pixies and clasmates response is is that not kurt cobain favorite group.Thats all they knew about pixies stupid kids. |
| TheCroutonFuton |
Posted - 03/18/2004 : 13:52:32
"I was trying to write the ultimate pop song. I was basically trying to rip off the Pixies. I have to admit it [smiles]. When I heard the Pixies for the first time, I connected with that band so heavily I should have ben in that band - or at least in a Pixies cover band. We used their sense of dynamics, being soft and quiet and then loud and hard." (Kurt Cobain about how he wrote "Smells Like Teen Spirit", from a Rolling Stone interview by David Fricke, 01-27-94, reported by James R. Butcher)
"I really have no desire to read the lyrics my favorite rock stars write. I don't pay attention. My favorite album this year was the Breeders' Pod [from 1990]. Actually, I lied - I do listen to Kim Deal's lyrics. But I don't really pay attention to what people write. Even interviews, I just take with a grain of salt. The only ones I've ever read that I really liked were ones with the Pixies and Butthole Surfers -other than that I can't even think of any that I even finished." (Kurt Cobain again, in Spin, January 1992)
"I wanted Gil because of the work he'd done with The Pixies," Grohl recalls. "His knack for making a really fucked-up sound sound really... divine. He can sort of polish a really messy guitar sound so that it's still a messy guitar sound, but it's really clear and distinct. The clarity on all those records is really great. You can hear everything. It's so good." (Dave Grohl of Foo Fighters, from their official site's biography, submitted by Raj Kale)
"Frank Black is my vocal hero. And he's the best songwriter I know. You probably won't believe it but during the recording of the vocals for Enough Space he was sitting next to me. Our producer, Gil Norton, invited him. They're old friends. Norton produced many of the Pixies' records. But there he was, in the studio, when I had to sing. I was fuckin scared man! I thought: at least I have to try to impress him. So I yelled/screamed the vocals in stead of singing them, Frank used to be pretty good at that. Finally I had the courage to ask him if he wanted to yell/scream along on the track, but he didn't want to. He was busy rehearsing new material and wanted to save his voice. Besides he said that the song didn't needed his voice, it was good enough. It was one of the best moments of my life: Frank Black. THE Frank Black, saying that a Foo Fighters is good enough." (Dave Grohl again, in an interview for the Dutch magazine Oor, May 1997, translated and reported by Joris Gillet)
In January 1998 issue of Guitar World, Dave Grohl was asked to make a 60 minutes tape of his favorite music, and to comment about it. In his selection could be found Motorway To Roswell ("a really beautiful piece of music") and Frank Black's Fu Manchu, with this comment: "Frank's my favorite, so I've got to mention him twice". In a recent interview to The Guitar Magazine, he also mentioned Trompe Le Monde as his favorite album of all time.
"David Grohl, Nirvana's drummer, came to a U2 show during the first leg of the Zoo tour to visit the opening act, the Pixies. Bono invited him in for a talk. Bono mimicks Grohl chewing gum and saying, "Hey, man, nothing against you, but I don't know why the Pixies would do this." Bono asked if Grohl didn't think it was brave of the Pixies to try opening for U2 in arenas. Grohl didn't buy it. "We'll never play big places," he said of Nirvana. "We're just a punk band. All this success is a fluke. Tomorrow I could be somewhere else." (Excerpt from U2 At The End Of The World, by Bill Flanagan)
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| Carl |
Posted - 03/18/2004 : 10:03:26
I remember that Guitar World interview....FB has stated before that he thought Nirvana were more commercial sounding than the Pixies, and he did'nt feel that they had ripped them off. I have an old music magazine somewhere, where Nirvana and Breeders are interviewed backstage at a Belfast gig. Kim Deal says one of her favorite Nirvana songs is 'No Recess'(I think she meant 'School'!) |
| robnas |
Posted - 03/18/2004 : 09:44:12
Good point hmv down here dont really have much pixies cd in stock. I wonder if any news people will cover the tour like muchmusic mtv etc. Wonder if the pixies will do the lollapalooza tour that get them lots of coverage. I never knew that nirvana was suppost to be an opening band for pixes in 1991. Thanks for posting that 1971. |
| The Calistanian |
Posted - 03/18/2004 : 08:43:12
Great stuff!
And to robnas: I bought all of my Pixies stuff pre-1992...and to me it seemed like at Best Buy, they were always stocked with Pixies albums, singles, whatnot. I don't have access to many cool music shops, but it seems that Pixies albums aren't as accessible now, in the major stores anyway. Which is kind of weird, because they have so many more fans now.
Anybody else have any thoughts on that?
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| benji |
Posted - 03/18/2004 : 01:08:58
wow...that quote is fascinating on so many levels.
thanks 1971..
"I joined the Cult of Frank / I think that man deserves a DB!" |
| mrgrieves1971 |
Posted - 03/17/2004 : 15:23:52
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Originally posted by mrgrieves1971
I read an article once where Dave Lovering said that Nirvana was going to open for the Pixies, but then Nevermind started blowing up and it just wasn't viable. I guess that would have been the Trompe tour.
Found it !
1991
Work commences on the Pixies’ final album, Trompe Le Monde, in Burbank, and is completed an unprecedented six months later in London. Increasingly, Black is left to his own studio devices as the others limit their involvement to laying down their parts on an on-call basis. Much of the material on the disc is unrehearsed with parts of songs written on the fly. Former Magic Band member Eric Drew Feldman is brought in to contribute “keyboards and synthetics” to the project, initiating a creative relationship with Black that remains active more than a decade later. Upon the disc’s release, the band spends another two months on the road in Europe (this time with Feldman on keys), followed by more touring at home. Originally, a young Seattle band called Nirvana (on the verge of releasing Nevermind) is lined up to open U.S. dates. However, Lovering convinces his band-mates to axe that plan, accurately predicting what would have been a grossly unbalanced bill by the tour’s midway point. Legendary Cleveland proto-punk unit Pere Ubu is drafted for warm-up duties instead.
http://www.exclaim.ca/index.asp?layid=22&csid=1&csid1=1068 |
| mrgrieves1971 |
Posted - 03/17/2004 : 15:22:48
I read an article once where Dave Lovering said that Nirvana was going to open for the Pixies, but then Nevermind started blowing up and it just wasn't viable. I guess that would have been the Trompe tour. |
| robnas |
Posted - 03/17/2004 : 14:01:32
Yeah but having someone that famous saying that your band is there favorite must have sold them a lot of cds.Like the other guy said i got into the pixies threw nirvana.It not like you turn on mtv and see pixies videos.So i am wondering if there is a knew bread of pixies fans that discouvered the band over the years. Was it hard to get pixies back back in 92 i donno |
| ShakeyShake |
Posted - 03/17/2004 : 11:32:33
quote:
Originally posted by Little Black Francis
... fuck me gently with a chainsaw
Tot zein mijn vreind
Heh Heathers,just saw that the other day
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| benji |
Posted - 03/17/2004 : 07:19:49
quote:
Originally posted by brysonmeunier
This being said, the very next question they asked was "Will there ever be a Pixies reunion?" To which he answered...
BLACK: [pause] No. Sorry, Joe. If it was just me and you, I'd do it. But I can't go the whole enchilada. That wouldn't gain any respect. It would fall flat. It would be a letdown for people. Some bands do a reunion because enough time has gone by, coupled with the fact that maybe they need the money. Fortunately I guess I don't feel like I need the money. It shouldn't be about money, as wonderful as money is. It should be about music.
So who the hell knows these days.
hehe..
he's pretty much contradicted this statement recently....
but fair enough...he's just changed his mind.
i certainly don't hold it against him.
"I joined the Cult of Frank / I think that man deserves a DB!" |
| brysonmeunier |
Posted - 03/17/2004 : 07:04:51
I got into the Pixies through Nirvana, so this topic has fascinated me for a while. It's hard to find Frank Black talking about Nirvana, so when this Guitar World interview came out in 1998 I nearly shit myself:
http://www.guitarworld.com/artistindex/9801.pixies.html
excerpts:
GW: Were you lionized by the British music press?
BLACK: Yeah. It was kind of ridiculous like, [English accent] "The greatest rock and roll band on earth." Right. Gimmie a break. It was nice that they said that. We were fashionable or something. But it never reached the level that people, especially in the United States, think it did. They think we were like a stadium band over in Europe. But we weren't. We were more like a very successful club act starting to play bigger theaters and auditoriums in some of the cities. Definitely nothing like a Nirvana or an Oasis, those big huge successful acts. We've always been a cult act, even at the height of our popularity. Not as big as some of the bands we maybe even influenced.
GW: So you don't feel like you missed the gravy train? It seems like, shortly after you broke up, alternative rock became this hugely commercially viable thing.
BLACK: Yeah, Pearl Jam, Nirvana. . .
GW: If the Pixies had hung on, they might have been a part of that.
BLACK: Oh, no. There's a certain amount of timing that's part of all this. A brand new band has a certain buzz. We'd already made four albums. I just didn't see it happening with the Pixies. I mean Nirvana, if you listen to those songs, for my money, it seems a lot more commercial and sort of pop. I don't mean sweeter. But pretty hook heavy.
GW: The Pixies had pop sensibilities too.
BLACK: Oh Yeah. But a little weirder. I don't think the Pixies would have been any bigger if they'd stuck it out for another couple of albums.
This being said, the very next question they asked was "Will there ever be a Pixies reunion?" To which he answered...
BLACK: [pause] No. Sorry, Joe. If it was just me and you, I'd do it. But I can't go the whole enchilada. That wouldn't gain any respect. It would fall flat. It would be a letdown for people. Some bands do a reunion because enough time has gone by, coupled with the fact that maybe they need the money. Fortunately I guess I don't feel like I need the money. It shouldn't be about money, as wonderful as money is. It should be about music.
So who the hell knows these days.
Bryson
Founder/Proprietor/Vitiator
- the HEY cafe -
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| Little Black Francis |
Posted - 03/17/2004 : 00:43:33
I saw the Breeders open for NIrvana in Williamsburg, VA Nov 18th, 1993... Half Japanese was the other band... LSD-Age 17... fuck me gently with a chainsaw
Tot zein mijn vreind |
| SelfEscape |
Posted - 03/17/2004 : 00:24:26
Ice Cream, yeah and then it says why? and he says money. |
| Frog in the Sand |
Posted - 03/17/2004 : 00:04:47
About the supposed Pixies' influence on Cobain and Nirvana - Frank said one day: "I don't really hear it, I think people think they hear it. They've been told. He [Cobain] probably intended it as a friendly wink from one musician to another. That's all."
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