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robnas
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 Posted - 03/16/2004 : 09:33:51
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I remember seeing an interview with the breeders about a year on muchmusic and the interviewer guy mention something kurt said about writing good songs like the pixies. Didn't the breeders open up for them in 93.I am guessing alot of fans came over from the nirvana camp it has to be good exposure for a band that big to say pixies are their favorite band. I donno what can be dicussed about this topic but i am curious to see what pixies fans think.
Here is a transcript of an breeders interview http://www.thenewmusic.net/transcripts/transcript_display.asp?tranID=203 |
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The Calistanian
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/16/2004 : 09:54:23
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I hope Kim's finger is all right now...2 years later.
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pixie punk
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Posted - 03/16/2004 : 10:18:36
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| All I know is that Kurt personally requested the Breeders as Nirvana's opening band twice and tour they did.In some of Kurt's favorite albums lists he would mention The Pixies Surfer Rosa and The Breeders' POD as favorites.In writing Smells like Teen Spirit Kurt said that he wanted a song that sounded like the Pixies.The Breeders were one of the few bands invited to Kurt's memorial service.And Kim Deal's The Amps toured with the Foo Fighters.One of Dave Grohls favorite songs is Motorway To Roswell. One time Frank was in the studio while the Foo's were recording one of their albums,Dave asked for him to to some screaming/singing and he politely declined saying to Dave that he was doing a great job on his own. |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/16/2004 : 12:57:09
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| I don't think the Pixies thought about Nirvana much at all, other than the parallels that you all pointed out. |
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SelfEscape
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Posted - 03/16/2004 : 14:35:15
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| Interesting little sidenotes to add, Cobain's friends used to call him Pixiemeat due to his pixies infatuation which I'm guessing was pretty immense. Kurt had this thing about disavowing all of his well known influences so after he hit it big all of his "favorite albums/bands" changed in a lame not very well hidden attempt to keep his "underground credibility". For how much he obviously took from their sound and not just on teen spirit but their entire sound he rarely said much about them(especially after nevermind became huge, he wanted to seem original and hide his real influences) and he always said surfer rosa though my guess is he loved doolittle as much if not more because of its perfect pop but because it wasnt as roughly produced and more of a pop album so he disowned it in fear of losing his "punk cred" Hes said he doesnt like albanis production, not just on his own music(in utero) but on other albums. It seems listening to Bleach(which had one pop song modeled after the Beatles, About A Girl and then the bsides recorded after that point and nevermind, the sound changed completly, apparently coinciding with his first listen to the pixies)that his favorite band was the pixies and he spent the rest of his professional career playing it down. If i think of anything else I'll post it. |
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
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Posted - 03/16/2004 : 14:38:16
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| Weren't the Pixies pretty much done when Nirvana came out? I am sure as a whole they didn't think about them much at all. They weren't an entity anymore and they probably always had pretty independant thoughts. There is a Frank on Kurt quote in the rotation, but he is just addressing the Pixies apparent influence on Nirvana and doesn't say much about what he thought of them. |
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SelfEscape
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Posted - 03/16/2004 : 14:41:23
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| Ramona, Bleach came out in 1989 around the time of Doolittle and most of those tracks were written before 1989, and then suddenly there was a massive change in nirvana's sound on newly recorded songs, the outtakes and then especially Nevermind. The reason Bleach is so different is he hadnt had a chance to hear them yet. |
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/16/2004 : 17:10:08
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I believe I read in the biography Come As You Are that one time at a festival where Frank was giving a solo performance and Nirvana was playing Kurt had a run in with Frank while he was playing on stage. Something involving a fire extinguisher. It was all in good fun, though. Then later that day Kurt switched the placecards at dinner so Frank and Jean had a large, large table and the Ramones with their 13+ entourage were crammed at a table for two. On top of that, Kim and Kurt were very good friends. Her song Pacer is actually written about him. Also, Nirvana frequently played Pixies as preshow music. Motorway to Roswell was heard more than other songs. And Dave Grohl sometimes opens up some songs with Foo Fighters by saying "This is a song about a super hero named Tony. It's called 'Tony's Theme'." There are other connections that I'm forgetting, but I think, collectively, we've hit most of them.
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Levitated
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 03/16/2004 : 17:34:12
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| Kurt once said that he would like to play in a Pixies cover band. At the back of Nevermind album you can see a monkey like the doolittle monkey. |
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/16/2004 : 18:52:00
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I forgot about the quote about being in a Pixies cover band. Good call.
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
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Posted - 03/16/2004 : 22:15:07
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Frank Black once said in an interview that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is a song he wished he had written.
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Frog in the Sand
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France
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Posted - 03/17/2004 : 00:04:47
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About the supposed Pixies' influence on Cobain and Nirvana - Frank said one day: "I don't really hear it, I think people think they hear it. They've been told. He [Cobain] probably intended it as a friendly wink from one musician to another. That's all."
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SelfEscape
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Posted - 03/17/2004 : 00:24:26
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| Ice Cream, yeah and then it says why? and he says money. |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 03/17/2004 : 00:43:33
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I saw the Breeders open for NIrvana in Williamsburg, VA Nov 18th, 1993... Half Japanese was the other band... LSD-Age 17... fuck me gently with a chainsaw
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brysonmeunier
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Posted - 03/17/2004 : 07:04:51
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I got into the Pixies through Nirvana, so this topic has fascinated me for a while. It's hard to find Frank Black talking about Nirvana, so when this Guitar World interview came out in 1998 I nearly shit myself:
http://www.guitarworld.com/artistindex/9801.pixies.html
excerpts:
GW: Were you lionized by the British music press?
BLACK: Yeah. It was kind of ridiculous like, [English accent] "The greatest rock and roll band on earth." Right. Gimmie a break. It was nice that they said that. We were fashionable or something. But it never reached the level that people, especially in the United States, think it did. They think we were like a stadium band over in Europe. But we weren't. We were more like a very successful club act starting to play bigger theaters and auditoriums in some of the cities. Definitely nothing like a Nirvana or an Oasis, those big huge successful acts. We've always been a cult act, even at the height of our popularity. Not as big as some of the bands we maybe even influenced.
GW: So you don't feel like you missed the gravy train? It seems like, shortly after you broke up, alternative rock became this hugely commercially viable thing.
BLACK: Yeah, Pearl Jam, Nirvana. . .
GW: If the Pixies had hung on, they might have been a part of that.
BLACK: Oh, no. There's a certain amount of timing that's part of all this. A brand new band has a certain buzz. We'd already made four albums. I just didn't see it happening with the Pixies. I mean Nirvana, if you listen to those songs, for my money, it seems a lot more commercial and sort of pop. I don't mean sweeter. But pretty hook heavy.
GW: The Pixies had pop sensibilities too.
BLACK: Oh Yeah. But a little weirder. I don't think the Pixies would have been any bigger if they'd stuck it out for another couple of albums.
This being said, the very next question they asked was "Will there ever be a Pixies reunion?" To which he answered...
BLACK: [pause] No. Sorry, Joe. If it was just me and you, I'd do it. But I can't go the whole enchilada. That wouldn't gain any respect. It would fall flat. It would be a letdown for people. Some bands do a reunion because enough time has gone by, coupled with the fact that maybe they need the money. Fortunately I guess I don't feel like I need the money. It shouldn't be about money, as wonderful as money is. It should be about music.
So who the hell knows these days.
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benji
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Posted - 03/17/2004 : 07:19:49
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Originally posted by brysonmeunier
This being said, the very next question they asked was "Will there ever be a Pixies reunion?" To which he answered...
BLACK: [pause] No. Sorry, Joe. If it was just me and you, I'd do it. But I can't go the whole enchilada. That wouldn't gain any respect. It would fall flat. It would be a letdown for people. Some bands do a reunion because enough time has gone by, coupled with the fact that maybe they need the money. Fortunately I guess I don't feel like I need the money. It shouldn't be about money, as wonderful as money is. It should be about music.
So who the hell knows these days.
hehe..
he's pretty much contradicted this statement recently....
but fair enough...he's just changed his mind.
i certainly don't hold it against him.
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ShakeyShake
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 03/17/2004 : 11:32:33
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Originally posted by Little Black Francis
... fuck me gently with a chainsaw
Tot zein mijn vreind
Heh Heathers,just saw that the other day
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robnas
- FB Fan -
Canada
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Posted - 03/17/2004 : 14:01:32
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| Yeah but having someone that famous saying that your band is there favorite must have sold them a lot of cds.Like the other guy said i got into the pixies threw nirvana.It not like you turn on mtv and see pixies videos.So i am wondering if there is a knew bread of pixies fans that discouvered the band over the years. Was it hard to get pixies back back in 92 i donno |
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mrgrieves1971
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2004 : 15:22:48
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| I read an article once where Dave Lovering said that Nirvana was going to open for the Pixies, but then Nevermind started blowing up and it just wasn't viable. I guess that would have been the Trompe tour. |
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mrgrieves1971
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 03/17/2004 : 15:23:52
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Originally posted by mrgrieves1971
I read an article once where Dave Lovering said that Nirvana was going to open for the Pixies, but then Nevermind started blowing up and it just wasn't viable. I guess that would have been the Trompe tour.
Found it !
1991
Work commences on the Pixies’ final album, Trompe Le Monde, in Burbank, and is completed an unprecedented six months later in London. Increasingly, Black is left to his own studio devices as the others limit their involvement to laying down their parts on an on-call basis. Much of the material on the disc is unrehearsed with parts of songs written on the fly. Former Magic Band member Eric Drew Feldman is brought in to contribute “keyboards and synthetics” to the project, initiating a creative relationship with Black that remains active more than a decade later. Upon the disc’s release, the band spends another two months on the road in Europe (this time with Feldman on keys), followed by more touring at home. Originally, a young Seattle band called Nirvana (on the verge of releasing Nevermind) is lined up to open U.S. dates. However, Lovering convinces his band-mates to axe that plan, accurately predicting what would have been a grossly unbalanced bill by the tour’s midway point. Legendary Cleveland proto-punk unit Pere Ubu is drafted for warm-up duties instead.
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
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Posted - 03/18/2004 : 01:08:58
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wow...that quote is fascinating on so many levels.
thanks 1971..
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The Calistanian
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1342 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2004 : 08:43:12
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Great stuff!
And to robnas: I bought all of my Pixies stuff pre-1992...and to me it seemed like at Best Buy, they were always stocked with Pixies albums, singles, whatnot. I don't have access to many cool music shops, but it seems that Pixies albums aren't as accessible now, in the major stores anyway. Which is kind of weird, because they have so many more fans now.
Anybody else have any thoughts on that?
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robnas
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Canada
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Posted - 03/18/2004 : 09:44:12
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| Good point hmv down here dont really have much pixies cd in stock. I wonder if any news people will cover the tour like muchmusic mtv etc. Wonder if the pixies will do the lollapalooza tour that get them lots of coverage. I never knew that nirvana was suppost to be an opening band for pixes in 1991. Thanks for posting that 1971. |
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Carl
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Posted - 03/18/2004 : 10:03:26
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| I remember that Guitar World interview....FB has stated before that he thought Nirvana were more commercial sounding than the Pixies, and he did'nt feel that they had ripped them off. I have an old music magazine somewhere, where Nirvana and Breeders are interviewed backstage at a Belfast gig. Kim Deal says one of her favorite Nirvana songs is 'No Recess'(I think she meant 'School'!) |
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TheCroutonFuton
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Posted - 03/18/2004 : 13:52:32
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"I was trying to write the ultimate pop song. I was basically trying to rip off the Pixies. I have to admit it [smiles]. When I heard the Pixies for the first time, I connected with that band so heavily I should have ben in that band - or at least in a Pixies cover band. We used their sense of dynamics, being soft and quiet and then loud and hard." (Kurt Cobain about how he wrote "Smells Like Teen Spirit", from a Rolling Stone interview by David Fricke, 01-27-94, reported by James R. Butcher)
"I really have no desire to read the lyrics my favorite rock stars write. I don't pay attention. My favorite album this year was the Breeders' Pod [from 1990]. Actually, I lied - I do listen to Kim Deal's lyrics. But I don't really pay attention to what people write. Even interviews, I just take with a grain of salt. The only ones I've ever read that I really liked were ones with the Pixies and Butthole Surfers -other than that I can't even think of any that I even finished." (Kurt Cobain again, in Spin, January 1992)
"I wanted Gil because of the work he'd done with The Pixies," Grohl recalls. "His knack for making a really fucked-up sound sound really... divine. He can sort of polish a really messy guitar sound so that it's still a messy guitar sound, but it's really clear and distinct. The clarity on all those records is really great. You can hear everything. It's so good." (Dave Grohl of Foo Fighters, from their official site's biography, submitted by Raj Kale)
"Frank Black is my vocal hero. And he's the best songwriter I know. You probably won't believe it but during the recording of the vocals for Enough Space he was sitting next to me. Our producer, Gil Norton, invited him. They're old friends. Norton produced many of the Pixies' records. But there he was, in the studio, when I had to sing. I was fuckin scared man! I thought: at least I have to try to impress him. So I yelled/screamed the vocals in stead of singing them, Frank used to be pretty good at that. Finally I had the courage to ask him if he wanted to yell/scream along on the track, but he didn't want to. He was busy rehearsing new material and wanted to save his voice. Besides he said that the song didn't needed his voice, it was good enough. It was one of the best moments of my life: Frank Black. THE Frank Black, saying that a Foo Fighters is good enough." (Dave Grohl again, in an interview for the Dutch magazine Oor, May 1997, translated and reported by Joris Gillet)
In January 1998 issue of Guitar World, Dave Grohl was asked to make a 60 minutes tape of his favorite music, and to comment about it. In his selection could be found Motorway To Roswell ("a really beautiful piece of music") and Frank Black's Fu Manchu, with this comment: "Frank's my favorite, so I've got to mention him twice". In a recent interview to The Guitar Magazine, he also mentioned Trompe Le Monde as his favorite album of all time.
"David Grohl, Nirvana's drummer, came to a U2 show during the first leg of the Zoo tour to visit the opening act, the Pixies. Bono invited him in for a talk. Bono mimicks Grohl chewing gum and saying, "Hey, man, nothing against you, but I don't know why the Pixies would do this." Bono asked if Grohl didn't think it was brave of the Pixies to try opening for U2 in arenas. Grohl didn't buy it. "We'll never play big places," he said of Nirvana. "We're just a punk band. All this success is a fluke. Tomorrow I could be somewhere else." (Excerpt from U2 At The End Of The World, by Bill Flanagan)
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robnas
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Canada
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Posted - 03/18/2004 : 14:15:55
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| I am impressed with all the knowledge you guy know with the pixies and nirvana i read all the bio of nirvana i didnt know half of that. I only made this topic because the next day when i went to class in college i said i m going to see pixies and clasmates response is is that not kurt cobain favorite group.Thats all they knew about pixies stupid kids. |
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chineselover
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Ireland
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Posted - 03/18/2004 : 16:14:36
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| I have a breeders interview at home, its recorded off Irish pirate radio when they were in town years ago, she says some interesting stuff about pixies and the new first FB album (as it was then), but she also says that K Cobain was all lined up to duet on the 'Do you love me now?' single, but then nirvana got so "huge" that they decided to get J Mascis instead. |
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boom_cheek_aroon
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Posted - 03/19/2004 : 00:00:55
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nirvana are overated.
that is all i have.
fuck me, i know.
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audiochild
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Posted - 03/19/2004 : 07:37:17
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I don't think you can say Nirvana are over-rated... I mean, everything that gets big gets called over-rated, that's what happens. You've got to ask yourself why they got so big?
If you ask me, and I know, Kurt set out to cash in on the music industry, but he wanted to do it without compromising. He didn't. You may think he wanted to make Pixies commercial, but it's not like that at all. He hated the fame and success he got. "I do not want what I have got" You can't deny that.
I mean, you can't say that Frank Black never heard a song and didn't get inspired by it. That's how music works. What made Nirvana big was the fact that Kurt wasn't just influenced by punk/punk-rock.
He was, after all, into a lot of different types of music. In his journals he lists like 50 of his favourite albums - ie, 50 albums that could be listened to from cover to cover, and half of them weren't that commercially successful, so whoever said that comment about Kurt changing his opinion is, sorry to say - wrong. Kurts influences opened up more and more, and as I have read and experienced for myself, the age he was at was the age when more and more underground music was opening up to him. It's regardless of what you think, it's what happened that matters.
Nirvana was inspired by everything from the 60s to the Pixies.
Listen to any song in history, and I bet you any drug that song has at least one or more influences where, if you listen with the right ear, you can hear exactly where it comes from.
Music is an ever-recurring cycle, look at it.
Why did Nirvana get so big and why not the Pixies?
Nirvana was different, and to the delight of the record labels, more commercially acceptable, but not neccessarily a very poppy sound, altough he did mention that he considered his music to be pop-punk-rock. But that's because it was popular, it was pop. You know the biggest fault is you underground hags, you block out anything that's 'commercial' because you got these crazy paranoid ideas in your head. The Beatles were pop, and you can't say you don't like the Beatles, if you can, I don't know what's wrong with you. Pop is just something that appeals to the 'mainstream' audience as well. See, in my opinion, any band that can appeal to more than one or two audiences is worthy of listening to. My mum never let me listen to Black Sabbath, but she sure as hell loved it when I cranked on Nevermind for the first time. It appealled to a broader audience.
It was raw, much like one if its inspirators - the pixies. But I'd say his favourite band was really the Melvins. He loved the Vaselines, and even did a cover of Mollys Lips on Incesticide.
Listen to the other albums, yes! they changed their sound after Bleach, then after Nevermind, Incesticide had a different sound, and then In Utero had a different sound - not one weak song. Much like a lot of good music in my opinion...Nirvana was just another timeless band and it sits there on top with a hundred other of the 20th Century Poets.
Saying Nirvana is over-rated is like saying The Beatles are over-rated, or Hendrix or The Who or any other band that "made it".
Nirvana just like The Beatles, appealled to more people.
I wish I could go on, but I haven't got the patience to write any more.
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ShakeyShake
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 03/19/2004 : 10:18:20
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Does anyone ever read long posts?
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 03/19/2004 : 10:31:00
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Originally posted by ShakeyShake
Does anyone ever read long posts?
"I joined the Cult of this guy / 'cause they took my other picture away
i read the first word and the last word. i'm sure it was very good though. could have been layed out a little better...
The Shrine of the Sea Monkey!
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STFRANCIS DAMDISASTER FAN
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Posted - 03/19/2004 : 10:41:27
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Audiochild, well put, almost brings a tear to my eye.
I saw the Beeders open for Nirvana in Dec of 93 in Omaha NE, what a great show!!! Both bands played great sets. It was a good match, one the best concerts I've ever seen. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 03/19/2004 : 12:08:07
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I don't think you can say Nirvana are over-rated... I mean, everything that gets big gets called over-rated, that's what happens. You've got to ask yourself why they got so big?
If you ask me, and I know, Kurt set out to cash in on the music industry, but he wanted to do it without compromising. He didn't. You may think he wanted to make Pixies commercial, but it's not like that at all. He hated the fame and success he got. "I do not want what I have got" You can't deny that.
How does any of that indicate that Nirvana wasn't overrated, though? If you think a band got more credit and/or popularity than they deserved, then they're overrated by definition. This is a matter of opinion, though; if you think Nirvana or whoever deserved the fame they got, then, to you, they're not overrated.
It's important to remember that "overrated" doesn't necessarily mean "bad."
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audiochild
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Posted - 03/19/2004 : 20:03:17
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True... what I was saying, even though it took long to say it, was basically agreeing with what you had to say.
Yes, they were considered "over-rated" but only to particular people or audiences.
I can see that side of it, it's just a stupid thought to think.
Nirvana never made a weak song - that's why they aren't over-rated in my opinion. A band that is over-rated, to me, is a band like Metallica. A band that has gone on forever and has, in all its time, only ever released one decent CD. Black, and even then, some of the songs on it must be skipped because they get boring too quickly or the song just has no substance. Metallica is over-rated.
If Nirvana had of released any weak songs, then I would be the first to jump up and admit that they are over-rated. Till you find me a shit Nirvana song, I will stick by my guns.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 03/20/2004 : 01:48:53
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Nirvana....I don't know
hit and miss
Kurt wanted to be indie, but he wasn't
he was a genius, but not the one he wanted to be
I mean, they record an album with steve albini, because
the breeders and the pixies did, but kurt didn't like the way
it sounded, so they brought in Scott Litt to records some overdubs
for some songs to be more polished (a believe heart shaped box, all apologies and dumb).
He certainly loved the way it looked to be with an underground producer
but he didn't like the way it came out.
Steve Albini did not really like this of course
And there are more stories like this, he really really wanted to make lo-fi like sebadoh in thosedays and stuff, and make music with mentally handicaped people, and become an acoustic guitar player so his music would be more timeless. All great plans, but he never did it, I'm not saying that he wouldn't do it eventually, he never got the chance, therefore it's a shame that he died in 1994, because for me he will remain a dude that had high potential and was very gifted but never in it's right place (for himself).
and ohh yes, I think nirvana has lots of weak songs, can't name them though, and there aren't a lot of them
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audiochild
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Posted - 03/20/2004 : 03:28:22
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You bring up interesting points.
It's hard to say what was what really.
Like you said, 'guess we'll never know..'
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What did the pixies think of nirvana
