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| Atheist4Catholics |
Posted - 04/20/2006 : 19:30:09
I just got back from watching loudQuietloud at the Boston Independent Film Festival. My friend won 2 all access sponsor passes from a contest held by Zipcar, so my wife and I got to skip the line and see it for free!
Anyhow, it's f-ing fantastic! I was absolutely amazed by the candid footage they had. Conversations between Kelley and Kim, Joey's wife's sonogram, Frank with his wife and son at the Aquarium, David coping with the death of his Dad. The piece de la resistance was a shot of Frank doing a phone interview lying on a hotel bed in nothing but a pair of black Calvin Klein underwear. There was so much going on in their personal lives during the tour it's amazing that they pulled it off as well as they did.
The film does a great job balancing live footage with the behind the scenes stuff, although I can't ever stand shots of the audience so that was distracting to me. Do whatever you have to do to get out and see the movie. It's definitely worth seeing.
Will I ever reach 1000?
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| Atheist4Catholics |
Posted - 10/01/2007 : 12:27:36
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Originally posted by MarshalltheMarsist
From everything I've read, here and elsewhere, this sounds like a piece of crap. It's a shame that they couldn't make a documentary that focuses on the music for it's own sake, rather than dwelling on personal problems that, as I see it, have nothing to do with anything.
I'm not sure I even want to see it at all, I'm not sure I feel like prying into the lives of my favorite musicians.
I think there are plenty of other documentaries that focus on the music and if you think personal problems have nothing to do with music, you've been listening to too much Kraftwork. To me, getting a glimpse at the lives of artists enhances their music. Most people take things for granted when they go see a band live. They don't consider how physically and mentally exhausting a tour can be. All they care about is the one show they're going to.
Will I ever reach 1000?
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| Triakel |
Posted - 09/20/2007 : 18:21:33
I liked the movie. It was boring-ish, but isn't the road boring? Isn't life?
I thought it was interesting how they all seemed to want to connect with each other, but couldn't (or wouldn't). They'd had little to do with each other in half a generation and it was so obvious. I feel the same when I talk to old friends from high school. "How's it being an electrician?" or whatever. "You have six kids? I kissed you for like, a year." Doesn't mean you don't love them. Just what do you say to them? All of the context is so irrevocably altered.
I'm resolved with Kim Deal not being involved in new Pixies material. That die might have been cast in 1990. But I do miss (and want) more of Joey Santiago. He's the talent that I feel might have been squandered (or perhaps better stated, underutilized) after the Pixies' breakup. His guitar attack was interesting and somewhat unique, and he ought to have been in bands of influence, as Kim and Charles were.
But such is life. I thought Dave Lovering was a little creepy in both the movie and when I've seen him do his magic show. I want the guy to do well, but I've known people who remind me of him. Three drinks. What three drinks?
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| Srisaket |
Posted - 08/25/2007 : 23:39:02
I have just managed to get hold of a copy of this and although some of the scenes are really priceless (the first rehearsal, Fine Line and the crowd reaction at Brixton, Kim Deal being mobbed in Iceland) the whole thing seems cobbled together by the film makers who must have recorded loads of footage then realized during production that they couldn't sustain the film the way they wanted - hence the splicing of the cheap comedy/drama concerning Dave Lovering.
The filmmakers say that they financed the film themselves, so why were the Pixies, supposedly unhappy with the filmmakers version, allowed veto over what was released?.
I suppose I need to watch again with Galkin/Cantor's commentary option on the DVD.
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| Dallas |
Posted - 08/25/2007 : 11:25:20
Man, I didnt like this movie. I saw the band 6 times on the reunion tour and at all but 1 of them the band had great cameraderie and fun onstage. Joking and laughing etc etc.
To show it like the tour was a totally joyless grind doesn't match the shows that I saw. If nothing else, if the movie makers weren't engaged in fiction, wouldn't the 'story' be about how they really couldn't stand each other but went onstage and had this faux chemistry? They didn't show that chemistry because it undercut their premise IMO. Seems like they went into this planning to document this turbulent bands tour and when there were no real fireworks they created this unspoken tension angle.
Extra's were good and the live performance too, but, as a movie about our heroes? Yuk. JMHO of course. |
| s_wrenn |
Posted - 08/25/2007 : 10:00:53
I eventually bought this (yesterday)
The ill communication (as Kelley pointed out) between kim, charles, dave and joey is so odd.
In one scene they’re all sitting in separate rows of the same suv as if they were strangers on a bus rather than bandmates.
I thought Kelley and Kim’s banter throughout the film was great.
It was sad to see Dave like that though. The “I‘m so in to music right now” bit in Kim’s dressing room?
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| KingOfSiam |
Posted - 08/23/2007 : 10:49:04
Finally got to see this...I enjoyed it...very interesting. My good friend Amanda even had a little shot in the movie at the Aragon in Chicago outside talking to Kim. That kinda freaked me out a little. I'll have to watch it again with the commentary sometime. |
| coastline |
Posted - 03/03/2007 : 19:03:15
I finally got this, and really enjoyed it. It's nice having the four of them walking around, talking (or not talking) and playing music on the television in my living room, and it's even better to get some insight into their lives for that brief, bizarre period. For me, the highlight of the whole thing was Kim's reaction to the crowd after the first show. "They were FREAKING me OUT!" It truly was surprising to everyone -- fans, critics, Pixies -- that their star had grown so large during the period between their breakup and their reunion. And for me, that sums up everything related to Frank Black's music: A few people get it right away, but for the most part, it takes 10 years or longer to really make an impact.
I have nothing else original to say about the movie. I think everything's already been said in this thread, but for anyone who missed ejcambell's post several months ago, here's part of it again. It's brilliant.
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Originally posted by ejcampbell
Part of some fans' disappointment over this doc may be that it's not really about the Pixies or for Pixies fans. This is really more about performance and the mystery of how it changes people, performer and audience alike. The Pixies are incidental; this movie's about the frame not the painting.
That being said though, I think the movie does a beautiful job of exploring that mystery. It's almost fair to call this a documentary about religion, the limited salvation that performing in a rock band has on the performers. Most of the movie illustrates how much better the Pixies individually get after they reunite as the Pixies collectively: Kim needs rock and roll to keep her straight, Joey needs it to provide for his family, Charles needs it to reboot his new life (all of his Pixies-related ideas that make it into the movie involve the band starting anew -- changing their name, playing club dates, writing soundtracks for horror movies).
David Lovering is the exception. If this is a religious movie, it's a humble one. His story is the most tragic because not everything be made better by playing in a rock band. That's also why I've come around on the infamous Cobain quote at the beginning. Most of us on this board are sick of seeing it in every article about Frank Black, but this movie may be the only deserved use of it since it was first said.
The Cobain quote at the start and the girl's cover band at the end serve as bookends. Because one is famous and the other's not, we may forget that they're both admitting to the same level of fan worship. Cobain is seen as verification, the anonymous fan as mortifying, but they're both by-products, equally separate from the band they love.
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| kfs |
Posted - 12/19/2006 : 06:34:06
Julian's a popular boy these days.
I enjoyed Julian introducing the special features!
What a cool kid!! |
| trobrianders |
Posted - 12/18/2006 : 10:52:35
Favourite momemt on LQL - Julian dancing to Vamos
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| Jefrey |
Posted - 12/02/2006 : 22:32:19
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Originally posted by MarshalltheMarsist
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Originally posted by Ziggy
You could always buy the damn DVD.
STFU. Unnecessary.
Well, actually it is necessary. This site doesn't promote pirating copyrighted material, and pretty much everyone here supports buying the damn album/DVD so our favorite artists can keeping making a living formt heir music.
And, telling a longtime member of the board to STFU - very classy. Not exactly the best way to get people here to respect your opionion.
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| MarshalltheMarsist |
Posted - 12/02/2006 : 12:12:11
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Originally posted by Ziggy
You could always buy the damn DVD.
STFU. Unnecessary. |
| MarshalltheMarsist |
Posted - 12/02/2006 : 12:10:23
From everything I've read, here and elsewhere, this sounds like a piece of crap. It's a shame that they couldn't make a documentary that focuses on the music for it's own sake, rather than dwelling on personal problems that, as I see it, have nothing to do with anything.
I'm not sure I even want to see it at all, I'm not sure I feel like prying into the lives of my favorite musicians. |
| LovE-RicH |
Posted - 12/01/2006 : 09:37:43
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Originally posted by Ziggy
You could always buy the damn DVD.
oh, i will, sooner or later, i love to have original CDs and DVDs of stuff I love. all my pixies cds and a DVD are original, but i'm not working yet and can't buy stuff on the go. not all of us are from america swimming in $$$.;)
i download first, if i like, then i buy. or hope to get it for christmas.;) |
| The New Bolero |
Posted - 11/30/2006 : 06:37:02
Well said! Some great stuff--the scene with Kim's ex-husband and Charles' old girlfriend is really great. Very nice. When John Murphy's going through the nostalgia box it's as fun and fascinating and touching as anything in the final cut. That whole scene should be in the movie--really gives insight into some of the personal histories.
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Originally posted by kromkamp
Interesting film. The extras were really great though.
I can see myself in the Fine Line crowd footage, thats worth the price alone! :)
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| Jason |
Posted - 11/29/2006 : 10:23:59
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Originally posted by IS
The deleted scene with Kim in the music store killed me. When the clerk got her credit information, you see that moment of recognition when he sees her name, the as he looks up to see if it's her, and she just happens to look away at that exact moment. The he goes on to ask her if she listens to the Breeders!! Hah hah!! When she asks someone off camera, in complete confusion "Is he fucking with me?" HAH HAH HAH!! Fucking priceless...I loved it. I love Kim Deal...
I don't see how the guy COULDN'T have been screwing with her. There's a very conspicuous CAMERA pointed at her at the entire time she's in the store. He had to figure she was somebody "famous".
I watched the movie last night. I like to think I'd rather not see all the backstage drama, but I probably have a "car wreck" curiousity for it. It was certainly watchable, but also depressing. I can see why Frank has said some less than positive things about it, and as a Frank Black fan (and by extension a Pixies fan, I guess), nothing in the movie added to my appreciation of his music.
I would be curious to see what someone who'd never heard of the band before thinks of the movie, or what someone who DOESN'T like the band thinks of it.
Also, I disagree about some of the scenes that people here say reinforce the idea of camaraderie among the Pixies. Am I the only one who think Joey looks ANNOYED during the "horror movie" outtake? He instantly perks up with interest when Frank brings up a new album, and then seems to deflate when it becomes obvious Frank is only goofing around. Or at least, the filmmakers CUT it that way. No one can claim to know what's going on in Joey's head there, I guess. |
| Ziggy |
Posted - 11/24/2006 : 18:01:16
You could always buy the damn DVD. |
| LovE-RicH |
Posted - 11/24/2006 : 16:56:31
When's a bittorrent of it going to be available?:) |
| Carl |
Posted - 11/17/2006 : 11:46:40
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Originally posted by frank_black_francis
Wow! I got the Pixies Doc and Deluxe King Kong at the same time too...
Hehe, great minds and all that!!
Brian, I can't imagine what it'd be like to witness that live-it was unsettling enough on DVD!
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| Broken Face |
Posted - 11/17/2006 : 08:05:21
I just got it this week - i'm pretty sure that the filmmakers played with the chronology a bit - i'm 100% certain that the "Something Against You" breakdown happened in New York, as i can't see the same thing happening TWICE and them not commenting on it. Which to me, is a bit cheap - granted, it makes the NY ending a bit happier, but less realistic. I know i was there for it, and i really thought i was witnessing the Pixies breakup 2.0. In fact...read all about it: http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11103
-Brian - http://bvsrant.blogspot.com |
| frank_black_francis |
Posted - 11/17/2006 : 03:16:58
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Originally posted by Carl
Bought and watched it today (also treated myself to the Deluxe Extended King Kong, "Why?" I hear you groan!). Aside from the skewering things to create drama, in particular the whole 'Dave breakdown' thing, I quite enjoyed it. It's quite candid, and there are some funny sweet, and touching moments. It's quite nicely shot in places, and Daniel Lanois' score is nice and subtle. The deleted scenes are interesting too. Really, fair play to the band for allowing such access, they could have said "No, piss off, we're stressed enough with the reunion as it is!!" As for the band 'tensions', they seemed to get along pretty well to me. What do you expect?! Oh, and it was funny to see Tiven pop up!!
Wow! I got the Pixies Doc and Deluxe King Kong at the same time too...
....anyways, I was surprised at how candid some of the movie got to be...I was also annoyed by the articles where the directors stated their surprise at how boring these people actually are; I am not sure what they expected to see...Spinal Tap?
What was actually quite funny was the meeting with Sigur Ros in their Iceland studio (the all-around shyness and awkwardness). I am glad they deleted Steve Albini (that guy has been milking his association with Pixies far too long now).
All-in-all, it was watchable, but really kind of awkward and boring. |
| kfs |
Posted - 11/15/2006 : 13:27:34
I still have a Brand-new copy of this. Nothing wrong with it (I'm sure it plays in European machines...just not my stupid American one). I'll give it away. I ordered one from Amazon yesterday. |
| kromkamp |
Posted - 11/14/2006 : 13:15:47
Interesting film. The extras were really great though.
I can see myself in the Fine Line crowd footage, thats worth the price alone! :)
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| bflat |
Posted - 11/14/2006 : 11:48:53
Really, I think there is more to the Pixies albums than quietloudquiet. I'm sure there are more cliched titles for the film they could have come up with, but not many. |
| IS |
Posted - 11/14/2006 : 07:31:48
The deleted scene with Kim in the music store killed me. When the clerk got her credit information, you see that moment of recognition when he sees her name, the as he looks up to see if it's her, and she just happens to look away at that exact moment. The he goes on to ask her if she listens to the Breeders!! Hah hah!! When she asks someone off camera, in complete confusion "Is he fucking with me?" HAH HAH HAH!! Fucking priceless...I loved it. I love Kim Deal...
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| kfs |
Posted - 11/14/2006 : 06:54:28
I am disappointed. I ordered my copy of the DVD from Plexi-in Europe. It arrived yesterday and I put it in the player...all I got was a message like "unable to play due to area restrictions." I'm probably going to give it away to someone here who hasn't got a copy yet. Anyone interested? |
| houstonguthrie |
Posted - 11/13/2006 : 10:51:47
I loved it - I enjoyed it all the way through. In the commentary - they were pretty dismissive about Charles' solo career. In the film they didn't really say anything about it one way or another but in the commentary you can tell they don't think too much of it.
They're more impressed with Kim's success with the Breeders - sighting her as "by far the most succesful since the split" - what - Because of Cannonball?? whoopdy friggin doo - Want You Coo Coo Cannonball
all Charles has done is churn out about 10+ incredible albums in that same time frame
Kim's knitting on a patio somewhere - but who could forget that Cannonball song?? please |
| Carl |
Posted - 11/12/2006 : 14:31:19
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Originally posted by pixiestu
It seems like every deleted scene shows the band getting on great with each other but instead they included parts that deliberately made the band seem distant with each other.
Yeah, especially the 'Horror Movies' deleted scene, they're just like a bunch of old friends! The clip of Julian saying "Is this for the extras or the main feature?", or something, haha!! The scenes with Mr. John Murphy are priceless, with Frank meeting and old frlame and the box of memorabilia! Nice to see Errol, too! And Dave showing his metal detector booty, with the Kiss badge! Never mind the reunion, he has a nice few quid with that lot! The Iceland scenes were nice. As for the main feature, It was nice to see Kim and Dave's parents make an appearance. Very sad about Dave's Dad. He seemed like a very kind, gentle man. I liked that bit with Frank and family taking a stroll. "Honey, what are we doing?" "We're following your children into a cornfield!" (or something like that!!). Kim panicking before the first show, and elated after, was funny, too! "I've got blisters on my fingers!" The Deals are so sweet and funny! Also the guys looking bored in the cafateria and Frank singing Where Is My Mind? and messing with his cellphone! And sliding off the couch during the photoshoot. Joey's Kid's are so sweet! I didn't know the Brixton Academy show's were the fastest selling in the venue's history!
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| Ziggy |
Posted - 11/12/2006 : 05:56:00
I smiled a wry smile that the one song they chose to represent FB's solo career was as obscure as 'Don't Clip Your Wings'. |
| Wee Mac |
Posted - 11/12/2006 : 01:42:33
The makers commentary is worth listening to, gives a better impression of what the documentary makers intended. In it they explained that the original cut of the film was getting on for 3hrs long, and included the 'deleted scenes'. They had to do some serious editing to keep things to a reasonable length and is why they included those scenes that they felt should have been in the main feature as extras.
Personally, I don't think there was any malice/misinformation intended by using the scenes they did choose as they explained that they had limited footage they could use unless they wanted a film about four people sitting around not doing or saying an awfull lot.
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| Jefrey |
Posted - 11/11/2006 : 16:46:22
I was pleasantly surprised. In this era, if you don't know that documentaries are all slanted towards an "angle" you must be living in a cave. I think the band is disappointed by the angle the film makers took, since as you can see by the deleted scenes, they clearly had fun and talked to each other some of the time. There was even a scene where Frank and Kim were walking somewhere and he kind of put his arm around her. They may be a disfunctional family, but it's clear that they care about each other.
Add the sort of melancholy Lanois music, and it made the film itself a little over dramatic. But you do get to see some great stuff. If you're on the fence about seeing it, I would definitely still check it out. You're not going to see many films like this that show you what a band does just hanging out with their families, or doing mundane interviews in hotel rooms.
I think the non-celebrity public tend to think that celebrities are all off doing something improtant every minute of their lives, and it's a great look to see that Joey Santiago has to get up and feed his kids cereal in the morning just like everyone else. |
| pixiestu |
Posted - 11/11/2006 : 15:43:19
I hadn't watched the extras until just now but I do think it would have been nice to include some of them in the main feature. It seems like every deleted scene shows the band getting on great with each other but instead they included parts that deliberately made the band seem distant with each other.
The part with the guy telling Kim Deal she has the same name as the singer of the Breeders was funny, but I can't tell if he was serious or not?
"The arc of triumph" |
| pixie punk |
Posted - 11/11/2006 : 10:49:27
Got it yesterday and definetly it provoked different emotions.I laughed and smiled watching little Julian dancing to Vamos and his reaction at the aquiarium,hose parts were terrific!!!Dave's part definetly made me sad( everyone reacts differently when you lose someone you love specially a parent,Charles wrote Bullet and that's all we know).Loved seeing The Martinis playing Free and being the great parents they are.Obviously seeing the footage of the reunion show and rehearsals made it for me.That's All Folks!!!
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| Carl |
Posted - 11/11/2006 : 09:43:13
Here's the full Deal and Albini interview on Girls With Insurance:
http://www.girlswithinsurance.com/interviews/albini.html
Oh, and hi ejcampbell, by the way!
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| ejcampbell |
Posted - 11/11/2006 : 08:55:16
Watched the DVD last night and was initially unimpressed with it. Like stated above, nothing here that Pixies fans don't already know.
However, after browsing through the extras, I watched a deleted scene of Albini and Deal being interviewed where she said it was "absurd" to stand in front of so many crazed people just to play music, but how she acted just as crazy at a Stooges show. Even though she knows how the gimmick works, she's still sucked into the experience.
Part of some fans' disappointment over this doc may be that it's not really about the Pixies or for Pixies fans. This is really more about performance and the mystery of how it changes people, performer and audience alike. The Pixies are incidental; this movie's about the frame not the painting.
That being said though, I think the movie does a beautiful job of exploring that mystery. It's almost fair to call this a documentary about religion, the limited salvation that performing in a rock band has on the performers. Most of the movie illustrates how much better the Pixies individually get after they reunite as the Pixies collectively: Kim needs rock and roll to keep her straight, Joey needs it to provide for his family, Charles needs it to reboot his new life (all of his Pixies-related ideas that make it into the movie involve the band starting anew -- changing their name, playing club dates, writing soundtracks for horror movies).
David Lovering is the exception. If this is a religious movie, it's a humble one. His story is the most tragic because not everything be made better by playing in a rock band. That's also why I've come around on the infamous Cobain quote at the beginning. Most of us on this board are sick of seeing it in every article about Frank Black, but this movie may be the only deserved use of it since it was first said.
The Cobain quote at the start and the girl's cover band at the end serve as bookends. Because one is famous and the other's not, we may forget that they're both admitting to the same level of fan worship. Cobain is seen as verification, the anonymous fan as mortifying, but they're both by-products, equally separate from the band they love.
At the end of the movie, I was disappointed that there wasn't more Pixies material, more scenes of them on stage, more more! Even though the thrust of the flick keeps hammering the point that these people are no different than you or me, I still get suckered in. I got suckered in at the reunion shows. I got suckered in at the Frank solo shows. I'll get suckered in this weekend at the Black Keys show.
And for the record, I will be "screaming like a moron." That's the mystery, and the movie does the job of preserving it. It's only rock and roll, but et cetera et cetera. |
| Carl |
Posted - 11/10/2006 : 12:54:34
Bought and watched it today (also treated myself to the Deluxe Extended King Kong, "Why?" I hear you groan!). Aside from the skewering things to create drama, in particular the whole 'Dave breakdown' thing, I quite enjoyed it. It's quite candid, and there are some funny sweet, and touching moments. It's quite nicely shot in places, and Daniel Lanois' score is nice and subtle. The deleted scenes are interesting too. Really, fair play to the band for allowing such access, they could have said "No, piss off, we're stressed enough with the reunion as it is!!" As for the band 'tensions', they seemed to get along pretty well to me. What do you expect?! Oh, and it was funny to see Tiven pop up!!
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