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| hWolsky |
Posted - 04/15/2005 : 02:17:19
Yeah, it is becoming boring...
I feel like I am back to College in those silly 90's...
You may accuse me of musical revisionism (I don't mind) but I believe that Nirvana actually played a minor role in pop music. Musically it's nothing but heavy rock.
Nirvana, nirvana blabla blabla. Stop it please.
Their music is BORING. Smells like a teenager. i.e. it sticks!!!
Pixies music is way much mature, arty and less conotated.
And especially alive and out od fashion.
The influence Nirvana had over bands and fashion was BAD.
I wish we had a day without quoting the same things about Nirvana. There must be plenty of forums dealing with necrophilic bad taste where Nirvana fans can share their enthousiasm for boring teenage suicide lust things... and boring heavy rock.
Thank You.
I'm a regular old fashion music admirer. |
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| VoVat |
Posted - 04/21/2005 : 16:25:11
Is that the sound of your four blue bees buzzing?
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 04/21/2005 : 14:56:02
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I joined the secret forum, and all I got was this lousy secret
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| 50 Pence |
Posted - 04/21/2005 : 10:40:30
This kurtblack guy has a real inferioty complex, just shut up.
Blats |
| hWolsky |
Posted - 04/20/2005 : 06:37:49
Bowie is right, just as Jesus...
I'm not pessimistic, I am sceptic. |
| Levitated |
Posted - 04/20/2005 : 06:23:36
I love Nirvana but I have to admit that Mr. David Bowie is damn right in the lyric stuff |
| n/a |
Posted - 04/20/2005 : 05:25:21
quote:
Originally posted by starmekitten
by the way, radiohead, that was all pixies
"Nirvana, God bless them, but they lifted so much of the Pixies, in terms of how you control your sound - from very soft, to very loud, basically. It was a Pixies concept nobody else had exploited in any way. Nirvana kind of did Pixies-lite. It was a more obvious, more straight-ahead kind of writing, and the themes of the songs were the usual teenage angst, whereas the Pixies were writing from an extraordinary stance." - David Bowie :P
Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something.
Thank you Tre, David Bowie is right.
You must learn what makes me kind
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| hWolsky |
Posted - 04/20/2005 : 01:47:05
Do you think he speaks about the man who sold the world??
I'm not pessimistic, I am sceptic. |
| SHAZEB ANDLEEB |
Posted - 04/19/2005 : 18:07:23
Have you seen her dressed in blue?
See the sky in front of you
And her face is lik a sail
Speck of white so fair and pale
Have you seen a lady fairer?
hermaphroditos is my name
worship me |
| starmekitten |
Posted - 04/19/2005 : 17:28:08
by the way, radiohead, that was all pixies
"Nirvana, God bless them, but they lifted so much of the Pixies, in terms of how you control your sound - from very soft, to very loud, basically. It was a Pixies concept nobody else had exploited in any way. Nirvana kind of did Pixies-lite. It was a more obvious, more straight-ahead kind of writing, and the themes of the songs were the usual teenage angst, whereas the Pixies were writing from an extraordinary stance." - David Bowie :P
Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something. |
| frank_black_francis |
Posted - 04/19/2005 : 11:57:14
quote:
If you're comparing me to Edward Muybridge, the most gifted photographer of his time, that would actually be a compliment. Again and again you show your ignorance. Maybe it's best you avoid this topic and any others that require things like thinking and knowledge.
um....yea, that's actually my signature. |
| fbc |
Posted - 04/19/2005 : 09:55:32
But your threads hW, they're just too damn irresistable. |
| hWolsky |
Posted - 04/19/2005 : 05:34:57
NO MORE POST NOW, thank you.
EUROPE CONSTITUTION: SAY NO (who cares it's just a question of time...) |
| fbc |
Posted - 04/19/2005 : 01:21:00
 true |
| n/a |
Posted - 04/19/2005 : 00:27:17
Maybe he would just rip off Frank...but you'll never know!
I feel like a completely different person |
| fbc |
Posted - 04/19/2005 : 00:09:38
Whatever people think of Nirvana, I for one am pretty sad that we will never know what type of songwriter Kurt Cobain would have matured in to.
love the Pixies, love frank black more. |
| Carl |
Posted - 04/18/2005 : 17:52:22
No problemo. However, I would like to state that there are not enough Nirvana topics on this forum, etc. ;) |
| kurtblack |
Posted - 04/18/2005 : 17:33:40
quote:
Originally posted by Carl
Naw, see I was only kidding around. Just sticking to the thread's topic! ;)
My apologies Carl. |
| kurtblack |
Posted - 04/18/2005 : 17:32:25
quote:
I think its obvious you've observed some 'other' reality.
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/anima/chronoph/muybridge/index.htm
Oh my, you really got me with that meaninglesss and out of the blue remark.
If you're comparing me to Edward Muybridge, the most gifted photographer of his time, that would actually be a compliment. Again and again you show your ignorance. Maybe it's best you avoid this topic and any others that require things like thinking and knowledge. |
| Carl |
Posted - 04/18/2005 : 16:51:09
Naw, see I was only kidding around. Just sticking to the thread's topic! ;) |
| kurtblack |
Posted - 04/18/2005 : 16:49:33
quote:
Originally posted by Carl
Could we stop with the Nirvana now, please?!
Is someone holding a gun to your head and making you click links and read things you don't want to? Seriously, if you don't want in on a particular conversation then stay out of it. It's pretty simple. |
| frank_black_francis |
Posted - 04/18/2005 : 15:52:52
quote:
Originally posted by kurtblack
[quote]
Not that I want to start arguing over "bands of merit" but...
Radiohead, Green Day, Weezer, The White Stripes, Queens of the Stoneage
There are alot of bands that were influenced by Nirvana's music and whose careers were helped (or made) because Nevermind broke into the mainstream. After Nevermind took off, record labels and radio stations started looking for rock bands to replace the bullshit Whitney Houston and big-hair-band crap of the late 80s/early 90s.
If Nevermind wouldn't have been so well received, there are many bands that wouldn't have gotten the recognition or had the careers they did....
Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden
I also think it's safe to say that Nirvana brought alot of well-deserved attention to the Pixies... and for that alone I am glad.
I think its obvious you've observed some 'other' reality.
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/anima/chronoph/muybridge/index.htm |
| Carl |
Posted - 04/18/2005 : 15:43:32
Could we stop with the Nirvana now, please?! |
| geertos |
Posted - 04/18/2005 : 01:26:33
quote:
Originally posted by Levitated
I don't want to make another crazy Nirvana thread so I'll post here about some real/fake rumors about Pixies/Nirvana connections:
- On August 1991 in the european festivals Black Francis (solo), Nirvana, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr, Ramones, Mudhoney and lots of more bands played there. Is it true that in a Black Francis show Kurt washed him using a fire extinguisher?? I guess it was on Pukkelpop Fest
- In the same euro festivals, is it true that Kurt (knowing the love BF had for the Ramones) changed the order of the tables in the casino and put the Black Francis' table next to the Ramones' table??
It was indeed the Belgian Pukkelpop festival, in August 1991. I was actually there, as a fourteen year old. And I still have the backstage-report of that festival, that was published in newspapers afterwards.
The complete line-up was in chronological order: Nirvana (opening at 10 AM, as a last-minute-replacement for the cancelled Limbomaniacs), Ride, An Emotional Fish, House of Love, Dinosaur Jr, BF solo (only announced a week in advance as a surprise act), Sonic Youth, Pogues, Ramones.
After Nirvana’s gig, which included some guitar smashing, and some of the threesome crawling at each other’s shoulders, they apparently went on acting foolishly backstage. There was indeed the notorious mixing of the table-cards for the Ramones and BF, so the Ramones had to sit at a dinertable meant for two, har-har. Also, during BF’s performance, Kurt apparently aimed some water in BF’s direction, but I can tell you, from the audience’s POV, I didn’t notice anything like that. So it wasn’t that BF got all wet, or BF’s performance was even interrupted or anything. Oh and also, Novoselic was puking all over the place backstage that day.
More information over here in spunxtain’s post:
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11775
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| kurtblack |
Posted - 04/17/2005 : 18:37:22
quote:
Originally posted by fbc
as someone who liked nirvana in my youth, i was just wondering who you think they've influenced of merit.
I can only think of a few at the moment, it's been a while. That band from australia with that stupid prat of a front man (chris something, i forget), and i know Jeff Buckley (whom i like) was an admirer of Kurt.
Not that I want to start arguing over "bands of merit" but...
Radiohead, Green Day, Weezer, The White Stripes, Queens of the Stoneage
There are alot of bands that were influenced by Nirvana's music and whose careers were helped (or made) because Nevermind broke into the mainstream. After Nevermind took off, record labels and radio stations started looking for rock bands to replace the bullshit Whitney Houston and big-hair-band crap of the late 80s/early 90s.
If Nevermind wouldn't have been so well received, there are many bands that wouldn't have gotten the recognition or had the careers they did....
Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden
I also think it's safe to say that Nirvana brought alot of well-deserved attention to the Pixies... and for that alone I am glad.
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| fbc |
Posted - 04/17/2005 : 16:41:36
quote:
Originally posted by kurtblack
I can see from some comments here that there's probably no point in discussing this. I feel like I'm talking to 16 year-olds.
hey kurtblack, in some cases you are.
as someone who liked nirvana in my youth, i was just wondering who you think they've influenced of merit.
I can only think of a few at the moment, it's been a while. That band from australia with that stupid prat of a front man (chris something, i forget), and i know Jeff Buckley (whom i like) was an admirer of Kurt. |
| kurtblack |
Posted - 04/17/2005 : 16:29:33
quote:
Originally posted by frank_black_francis
Nirvana really does suck though....and their 'influence' is negligable....
Yeah, I get it. You don't like them so therefore they suck and in your mind they have had "negligable" influence. Describing Nirvana's influence on the last 10+ years of music as negligible when all the evidence is to the contrary tells me how much you know about the topic.
quote:
Originally posted by frank_black_francis
wow, so they influenced a lot of idiots, big deal!...
I'm sure The Beatles influenced some idiots too but I wouldn't discount all the great musicians they influenced.
quote:
...and by the way, some jackass on MTV saying that Nirvana had a big influence does not make it so...as well as any Music Press.
Thanks for the tip. I don't remember relying on Mtv to make my point. But thanks to your keen observation I can now stop taking notes every day when I watch Total request Live.
Something tells me that if the topic was the Pixies influence on music, you wouldn't be dismissing the opinions of the music industry, musicians and talking about the idiots they influenced.
This will probably be my last post on this topic. I can see from some comments here that there's probably no point in discussing this. I feel like I'm talking to 16 year-olds. Some of you may be more at home dishing gossip with the girls at the Britney Spears message board. |
| frank_black_francis |
Posted - 04/17/2005 : 14:51:17
Nirvana really does suck though....and their 'influence' is negligable....wow, so they influenced a lot of idiots, big deal!...and by the way, some jackass on MTV saying that Nirvana had a big influence does not make it so...as well as any Music Press. |
| VoVat |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 20:40:14
quote:
I really don't understand your argument in the context of this discussion. If fans, people in the music industry and musicians vote and say an album or a band are significant and influential, then I think it's safe to say that it does make it "significant or influential in the grand scheme of things".
Well, before, you simply said that "Nevermind is always on Top-whatever lists of albums chosen by fans and musicians in the industry." A "top-whatever list" could easily just be a list of albums these people like; and liking something doesn't mean you're necessarily influenced by it.
As for what it has to do with the context of the discussion, not much. I'm not disagreeing with your main point, just saying that this one sentence doesn't necessarily support it.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| Levitated |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 20:12:37
Damn, I was being serious, not that I'm a negative creep but... topic closed!! at least for me! ;) |
| Little Black Francis |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 19:29:48
 "When they clean the street, I'll be the only shit that's left behind" |
| kurtblack |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 17:42:37
VoVat
quote:
Well, the fact that a lot of people like something doesn't necessarily make it all that significant or influential in the grand scheme of things.
I really don't understand your argument in the context of this discussion. If fans, people in the music industry and musicians vote and say an album or a band are significant and influential, then I think it's safe to say that it does make it "significant or influential in the grand scheme of things".
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One example:
"The editors at Rolling Stone polled an array of musicians, critics, and influential industry figures to come up with these 500 Greatest Albums Ever Made. Nearly 300 such music experts responded, each with a list of 50 albums."
#17 Nevermind - Nirvana
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| Cheeseman1000 |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 16:33:19
In answer, M. EL:
No
Neither - there's rip-off, there's referencing, and there's plagiarism, and SMTS may be referencing Debaser (not U-Mass - they came out at the same time)
No
I realise these were all entirely rhetorical, but I wanted to answer, y'know, as an expert.
 I'm like a lost snail in the night. |
| ElevatorLady |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 16:17:15
I think Pixies should be more like Nirvana. |
| ElevatorLady |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 16:12:02
Do you think Smells Like Teenager is a U-mass or Debaser ripp-off? |
| ElevatorLady |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 16:09:23
Is it true that Nirvana ripped off Pixies? |
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