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| Chroneos |
Posted - 04/04/2004 : 00:21:19
This is probably an old topic, but I feel compelled to remark nonetheless. The last time I posted much was back when this whole reunion was more or less thought to be MTV spouting BS, and I wish it would have stayed BS, honestly. I guess it's too late to wish FB&theC's would be touring instead, so I'll say that I *really* hope the Pixies decide to make this tour a one-time thing, even if I don't get to see them. Anyone else share in this sentiment? Please don't say I'm alone. ;-)
 "I forgot what to put here / So I'll wing it" |
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| prozacrat |
Posted - 04/26/2004 : 20:39:44
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| VoVat |
Posted - 04/25/2004 : 11:20:43
quote:
Once you have 1,000 posts on an internet board, "too cool" probably doesn't describe you.
Maybe not, but at least I'm cooler than those losers in their cults! <g>
I've reached 1000 posts / So I'm too cool to be in a cult. |
| prozacrat |
Posted - 04/24/2004 : 20:59:35
In my head I like to pretend that the Cult of Joey is cooler. But when it comes to the Pixies I like to think that it's all equally cool.
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| Jason |
Posted - 04/24/2004 : 11:32:39
Once you have 1,000 posts on an internet board, "too cool" probably doesn't describe you.
*insert one of those smile faces here* |
| VoVat |
Posted - 04/24/2004 : 08:04:12
Well, is the Cult of Joey that much cooler than all the others?
I've reached 1000 posts / So I'm too cool to be in a cult. |
| prozacrat |
Posted - 04/23/2004 : 22:28:08
I figured. so since you have over a thousand posts are you too cool to be in the Cult of Joey?
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| VoVat |
Posted - 04/23/2004 : 17:23:07
Yeah, probably.
I've reached 1000 posts / So I'm too cool to be in a cult. |
| prozacrat |
Posted - 04/23/2004 : 15:40:45
I could probably easily clear up any confusion pertaining to my screen name rather quickly, couldn't I?
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| VoVat |
Posted - 04/23/2004 : 13:57:24
Maybe he's a professional zacrat. Whatever a zacrat is.
I've reached 1000 posts / So I'm too cool to be in a cult. |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 04/23/2004 : 11:17:41
Completely off-topic but:
I always debate whether your name is prozacrat (as in someone whose business is prose, like a bureaucrat/democrat except cool) or prozac rat as in, well, a chronically depressed rat.
I like the prose peddling prozacrat myself.
This moment of inanity brought to you by hunger and fatigue: unleash the awesome power of nature with these all-natural mental poisons.
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| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 04/23/2004 : 10:49:23
Thanks! Ok now I am outta here... I feel bad that I sort of inturupted the venting process :) I will be in the cult soon  |
| jonathan |
Posted - 04/21/2004 : 23:25:19
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Originally posted by prozacrat
You may have to space them out, just for your sanity's sake. I ditto speedy m's comment there. For you, Everything Is New . And I know Frank wants to keep putting out records for a long time to come, but you should make the most of this as you can. I'm a huge Shakespeare nut, but I refuse to read all his plays, since I know he won't be putting out any new ones any time soon. I've just gotta save some for the future so there's something completely new I can look forward to. People could find plenty of ways to complain about me comparing Frank to Shakespeare, but I make the comparison very loosely. Any suggestions on how Daisy Girl should listen to FB&TC? My gut instinct would be to say in chronilogical order, all right away. But there could be a better order. And spaced out over the proper period of time could maximize your FB&TC pleasure. Thoughts?
I dunno... I got into the Pixies (I was born a few years to late to really be aware first time round) by buying all five lps and a bootleg of the b-sides (a bit of a leap of faith admittedly as I think I'd probably only heard Debaser on MTV by that point) and listening to the lot collectively over a few weeks.
Did do FB&Cs chronologically, but that was the only logical way without time travel...
I'm not sure of being selective in any way of the order you listen to stuff is sensible, otherwise you end up perhaps not liking turns the music takes over time, if you just listen in one go I think that it all endures much longer.
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| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 04/21/2004 : 19:39:30
Thanks speedym and prozacrat...
the good news is i do have frank black ... his first solo release.. like i need to say that here  . It is strange, I liked it at the time but now I even appriciate it even more now. Guess it is more proof to your points that his work was ahead of its time and now I've caught up. Thanks for your advise! |
| prozacrat |
Posted - 04/21/2004 : 12:12:25
You may have to space them out, just for your sanity's sake. I ditto speedy m's comment there. For you, Everything Is New. And I know Frank wants to keep putting out records for a long time to come, but you should make the most of this as you can. I'm a huge Shakespeare nut, but I refuse to read all his plays, since I know he won't be putting out any new ones any time soon. I've just gotta save some for the future so there's something completely new I can look forward to. People could find plenty of ways to complain about me comparing Frank to Shakespeare, but I make the comparison very loosely. Any suggestions on how Daisy Girl should listen to FB&TC? My gut instinct would be to say in chronilogical order, all right away. But there could be a better order. And spaced out over the proper period of time could maximize your FB&TC pleasure. Thoughts?
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| speedy_m |
Posted - 04/21/2004 : 11:30:59
Wow, Daisy. I almost envy you; getting to listen to that many great records for the first time... They are all brilliant in their own way. There are some great days ahead! |
| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 04/21/2004 : 08:43:06
Yup... I am looking forward to catching up on what I have been missing out on all these years!!!  |
| prozacrat |
Posted - 04/21/2004 : 02:38:45
I'm not exactly sure if that shed any more light on my thoughts or not, but thanks! It's definately an admirable point of view. However, unlike you, after I found out about the break up (I didn't even hear about them until after they broke up) I started lapping up all of his solo work I could. It's like anything he's ever had his hands on is a delicious treat for my ears, regardless of its particular incarnation. Pixies, Catholics, whatever. Just GIVE IT TO ME!!! Does that make sense? And what's more than that, just look at this next year. This last week has given us a handful of live Pixies albums, and this next week will give us another handful. There's a DVD coming out next Tuesday of Pixies stuff. He's releasing a double disc this summer of Pixies remakes with Two Pale Boys (and I like this very much) not to mention who knows what else will be on there (demos, yes, but I don't know what else) and he wants to release two b-sides albums of Catholics material, some of which I've never heard, but to hear all of them compiled like this will be delicious. He just recorded an album in Nashville with a current count of 19 songs I believe. There's potential for a new Pixies album sometime which would rock hardcore, but I won't officially add it to my list. Damn. I feel like a kid in a candy store. (And yes, of course I'd love to hear a new Catholics album or two soon as well. )
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| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 04/20/2004 : 19:52:40
Hi everyone,
I have been hanging out in the Pixies forums for too long and would like to add a litte perspective from a Pixies fan point of view. And wanted to shed a little light regarding Prozacrat's thoughts.
First off Frank is a musical god and the best lyricist I know.
The reason why I never was able to be a hard core FB/Catholics fan was because I secretly blamed him for breaking up my favorite band.
I had followed the Pixies since Dolittle and when I had heard the Pixies had broken up. To use an analogy my teenage brain felt as though I had experienced an unexpected break up with a boy/girlfriend. Basically I wanted to block out any bad memories and had since focused on early Pixies albums. My friends at the time had similar expereinces. I was stunned and hurt. I reacted to this worse than when Kurt Cobain killed himself. I can only imagine this feeling was when Beatles fans heard their favorite band broke up
I bought Frank Black's first solo CD and liked it...but it was just too difficult to keep following him because it reminded me of the Pixies, if that makes any sense. Frank Black is one of the most extranary musicians of our time. I am just happy that the Pixies reunion has healed my wounds and I am now ready to explore what I imagine is the best stuff of his career.
I will be comming here for advise!
Thanks for listening and I hope this helps create more understanding among the old school Pixies/FB Fans. I can't imagine what music would be with out Frank. Also thanks to you who have all started this great forum where we can share our passion of all incarnations of Frank's musical genius.
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| prozacrat |
Posted - 04/19/2004 : 14:33:12
Well, SXL, I suggest you go buy all the Frank Black & the Catholics albums you can find. Listen to them over and over again. I've found that to be the best way to explore this new world of music.
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| klikger |
Posted - 04/18/2004 : 22:07:25
Peace all. I love the Pixies and the Catholics both. |
| SXL |
Posted - 04/18/2004 : 16:30:13
i only know of the pixies. they are great. they are how i have arrived here and this new world of music to explore.
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| prozacrat |
Posted - 04/18/2004 : 15:29:42
Well things were further discussed and hashed out in subsequent posts, klikger. I think I came off sounding kinda arrogant and other people made very valid points. However, now that I've seen both the Pixies and Frank Black & the Catholics, I can safely say that for ME, the two are completely different beasts. I'd love to see a lot more of both of them.
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| klikger |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 22:16:51
I totally agree with you, Prozacrat. You're first post. I'd read the rest, but I'm drunker than Martha. Long live Frank Black Francis! |
| NimrodsSon |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 13:23:33
That's a cool quote, Jason' I've never seen it before. Thanks!
ˇViva los Católicos! |
| ramona |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 12:52:39
Well, that's nice. |
| KimStanleyRobinson |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 12:23:04
You know, I was thinking about this during lunch.
I wanted to say something to all you guys (die hard FB or FB&C fans)..that you're all absolutely awesome or beautiful or buy you all a beer or something. Pixies stuff is going to eclipse FB stuff for a little while and this forum on this site is going to be the internet epicenter of it. Knowing that you all are real fans of the man and his music, I know you support anything he does.
Anyway - you guys are great - especially the site admins...I mean - its not like this is "thepixies.net" you know. I was a big fan of "Frank Black" and "Teenager of The Year" but I haven't heard any Catholics stuff yet...maybe I will soon.
Who's to say that during some of the rehearsals Franks didn't say "Hey guys - you wanna learn a new one or two?" They can all be pretty tight lipped if they want to...maybe they're waiting for Cochella or another festival to roll some brand new stuff. I know its unlikely, but its still possible.
Don't lose faith.
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| the tolerant |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 11:52:31
could frank have won whatever he did. at the last fb and c gig i went to in december i was pretty embarassed bout the drunken fool next to me who constantly shouted out for pixie songs until i realised it was my pissed up brother (only jokin)
if you want pixies song goto a pixies gig, you want the catholics, then were gonna have to wait and see. but dont knock the man or call him a sell out. we dont own him. not one of us wrote the songs we all love whether the catholics pixies or frank black. aslong as frank is on stage.
who can he please? the catholic die hards, the pixies wanna sees? i dont know. who cares.
let frank do whatever aslong as he still keeps'a writin.
we all know he's doin his thing in nashville so it aint the end of the world if he wants to revisit his back catalogue now and again. |
| Jason |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 11:29:12
I don't even listen to the Pixies anymore. With the exception of the BBC disc, I've sold it all off. I don't hate them, I just cleared 'em out cuz I'm not into the big record collection thing. Out of curiosity, I did order one of the new DiscLive sets, though.
Anyway, this is TOTAL speculation and MAY NOT be true, but when Frank first added Pixies songs to his set (just "Wave of Mutilation" and "Holiday Song" for awhile, I remember), at the time I thought it might be related to his label situation. He had a record ready to go (the first FB&C's), but no label. Remember, FB&C's sat unreleased for about a year. Playing a few Pixies songs again may have been a quiet way of getting word of mouth going about him again and perhaps increasing his leverage in making a worthwhile deal to put out the album.
And it was also a good time because the Death to the Pixies compilation had just come out and, for the press articles surrounding it, HE was the primary member of the band interviewed and HE began getting most of the credit again.
There's a memorable quote in a February 1996 article (http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/1996-02-22/music3.html/1/index.html) about why he wasn't playing Pixies songs.
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"It doesn't seem like the thing to do," he says. "It's just my own...oh, how can I put it? Even though I wrote all those songs, to a lot of people it's like, 'Oh, he broke up the Pixies, and he's not so cool anymore, blah blah blah,' and so I sort of felt like some people don't really want to give me the credit for writing those songs, which is fine. I'm just the figurehead, the dude that broke it all up.
"I sort of feel like when people want to give me the credit--'Oh, yeah, that guy wrote all the songs and he was the singer and we want to hear those songs'--then maybe I'll have mellowed psychologically about my whole horrible experience of being a person in my 20s in some rock band. I won't have so many bad memories hanging around about the whole thing, and I'll whip out a few of the better ones. It'll be the right time, and people won't give me a bunch of shit about playing a song I wrote." |
| Newo |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 11:01:42
Maybe he came to terms with all the downright gorgeous music he'd made. Sometimes I feel when looking through my old stories it's like Gaaaah looking through baby photos but I can't very well shut that guy out of my life.
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Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
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| ten_percenter |
Posted - 04/15/2004 : 10:39:25
Remember when Frank Black first started sneaking a few Pixies' songs into his solo set list? Well, truth is, I was kind of bummed out even then. I actually felt bad for Frank Black, like he'd finally pandered to all those a**holes who'd always scream out 'Hey' or 'Nimrod's son' at every single show that the poor man played. Maybe Frank Black got tired of hearing them (they were at every show) and caved in. Or maybe he needed the money.
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| IceCream |
Posted - 04/13/2004 : 18:59:42
The problem I have is with quotes such as the following:
"Now, night after night, Black shows up, sells out and plays to an audience that has come to catch a glimpse of what they all missed out on years ago - fans who appreciate his solo work but who, deep down, are really there to sing along to 'Gigantic' or 'Velouria' or 'Monkey Gone to Heaven'".
I like the pixies, but the this is so far from what I truly believe that I NEVER mention the Pixies before FB in conversation at a social gathering or anything. I don't want people to associate me with this kind of "WIMM is the best/yay for reuniting" thing. I'm afraid that the Pixies are starting to become considered "cool" among some of the kids that listen to the mainstream ear damage on MTV. I don't want people to think I like the Pixies just becuase WIMM is a "cool" song. I am not that kind of fan.
So that's why I feel uncomfortable calling myself a Pixies fan - I try to do FB justice.
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| rockmusic84 |
Posted - 04/13/2004 : 18:02:00
I for one think that Frank could bring the down to earth songwriting and recording techniques he's honed so well with the Catholics, and make an amazing record with the Pixies. Imagine a Pixies album live to 2 track. They've got the energy and the ability, I'm sure they'd be able to pull it off. Imagine how exciting they would sound recorded live! All of the other overdubbed, multitrack albums sound exciting, but just imagine live recording! But then again, that's wishful thinking. They might just want to do the tour, and then get on with their lives. Which isn't a bad thing, because at the least, they've given people who have never seen them live the first time around a second chance, and to those who haven't seen them period, it's a real treat. And of course all the live albums from the tour will provide fans with more enjoyment in their music collections. Another possibility is that Frank may do both (solo AND Pixies projects). But all I can say to Frank and the guys is good luck, and at the very least, HAVE FUN!!!
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| Chroneos |
Posted - 04/12/2004 : 23:30:53
Oh well, at least I got to see them in 2003. I was hoping to take a couple friends the next time, that's why I really hope The Catholics are revived soon.
"I forgot what to put here / So I'll wing it" |
| whoreatthedoor |
Posted - 04/06/2004 : 05:56:20
Although I'm a Pixie more than a Catholic, I must say that I support Frank in what he's doing now, 'cause he's being true with him and us. He's always true. In Frank we trust.
 "Join the Cult of the whore at the door / And You'll find no answers, but real fun" |
| FrankfanL |
Posted - 04/05/2004 : 13:19:31
Right on, Chroneos !! I tend to agree, but Prozacrat makes some valid points. I don't think your sentiments are "corny". I too have similar feelings about the effect Frank's music had on my life. I don't have to explain the wonderment of a human being (FRANK) being able to express so , inspire, ignite, quell, inform as does MR. Frank Black. It gives us hope, downright joy! I too had the opportunity to speak to Frank, and he was really great. It made me feel important, just for a few minutes, but I'll always carry that with me. As Bowie wrote,"Just a mortal with potential of a superman...", we can all aspire to greatness. Any Frank music will be appreciated, but let's hope The Catholics are just "on vacation" for a bit, and will return full force once the Pixie thing has run it's course.Yes, Frank remains true to himself, so what more can we ask of this fellow??? Maybe it has something to do with his foray into therapy...you know, meet your demons head-on??? |
