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| Arm Arm Arm |
Posted - 01/21/2013 : 11:27:27
From a suggestion by Cult of Frank...
I usually enjoy reading interviews & reviews but unless an artist has done something horrible, which may affect my appreciation of their work (I have a difficult time separating artist and art), I don't have any interest in their personal life.
Regarding the break-up of the Pixies, sure, if someone from the band directly addressed it and said specifically what had happened, I'd read about it, but I don't really care.
I've read enough articles and Fool the World to draw a rough guess as to what happened, but I don't feel like it's my business. And I know from painful personal experience, that how one person experiences an event may not be how it was for another, especially with the passage of time. Frank sent a fax, he didn't send a fax, what matters is that he ended the band. Their music continued to exist and we've been graced with a series of reunion tours. I got to see them twice and I never thought I would; I'm pretty happy with that.
I enjoy this place because it's (as far as I know) the best source of information and opinion on Frank's music, be it with Pixies, Catholics, on his own, Paley, etc. i like reading other's opinions, particularly those who are passionate about a subject, and again, I don't know of another place where people care just as much about Frank's albums as the Pixies.
This place is funny, friendly and sometimes thought-provoking.
How far is too far? For me, anything that goes into their personal lives is too much. It's one thing if they offer something up, but to seek out their private information feels wrong.
The most important transaction isn't the financial one but rather my personal experience with the music itself. |
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| vilainde |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 10:05:57
You can't go wrong with Cazadores
Denis
Obsidiana Bijoux |
| floop |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 09:26:13
i think people should separate an artists art from their personal life. sometimes it is hard not to let it influence you. while i don't approve of some statements he's made in his personal life, i admire Mel Gibson's work in such films as THE BEAVER. also, I know from his arrest record that he is a fan of Cazadores tequila (they found a half full bottle on his passenger seat), which, when I'm having a margarita, is my tequila of choice as well
 green star member since 2006. smb? |
| Ziggy |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 08:40:41
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Originally posted by BLT
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Originally posted by Ziggy
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Originally posted by BLT
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Originally posted by Ziggy
Seem to remember Joey taking the piss out of the NRA on Twitter recently.
Can we have some specifics? I need to know who aligns with my political beliefs so I can decide whether I still like their music.
I wasn't suggesting that.
Sorry, I didn't mean to single you out.
This very thread exceeds my acceptable "etiquette of fandom." Insinuations that Ron Asheton was a closet Nazi (yes, I've seen footage of the collection he had in house). And certain Pixies aren't cool because they own guns. (Oh but wait, Joey tweeted bad about the NRA -- maybe he hasn't gone off the deep end yet!!!)
Yep, agree with you there. I mentioned that just to throw something else into the discussion. There's been enough poison on this forum in recent months. |
| trobrianders |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 08:25:16
I saw a clip of Mickey Dolenz smoking a cigarette when I was young. Maybe it was from Head. I thought then that he was very naughty.
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Ed is the hoo hoo |
| The Maharal |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 07:26:59
I wasn't insinuating he was a Nazi - I just mentioned his collection and guessed it was 'just a weird interest'. In hindsight 'unusual' would have been a better word than 'weird'. By all accounts Ron Asheton was a lovely fellow; unfortunately I don't think he gained the recognition he deserved for being an amazing guitarist.
As for the gun thing, I half-jokingly said they lose cool points. Hardly a complete dismissal of their music or credibility now was it?
Edit: Ron's interest wasn't that private just in case people are wondering |
| BLT |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 07:12:10
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Originally posted by Ziggy
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Originally posted by BLT
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Originally posted by Ziggy
Seem to remember Joey taking the piss out of the NRA on Twitter recently.
Can we have some specifics? I need to know who aligns with my political beliefs so I can decide whether I still like their music.
I wasn't suggesting that.
Sorry, I didn't mean to single you out.
This very thread exceeds my acceptable "etiquette of fandom." Insinuations that Ron Asheton was a closet Nazi (yes, I've seen footage of the collection he had in house). And certain Pixies aren't cool because they own guns. (Oh but wait, Joey tweeted bad about the NRA -- maybe he hasn't gone off the deep end yet!!!) |
| Ziggy |
Posted - 02/06/2013 : 01:40:34
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Originally posted by BLT
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Originally posted by Ziggy
Seem to remember Joey taking the piss out of the NRA on Twitter recently.
Can we have some specifics? I need to know who aligns with my political beliefs so I can decide whether I still like their music.
I wasn't suggesting that. |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 02/05/2013 : 10:46:09
Ah BLT, very nicely done as always.
 "If we hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
| BLT |
Posted - 02/05/2013 : 07:17:51
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Originally posted by Ziggy
Seem to remember Joey taking the piss out of the NRA on Twitter recently.
Can we have some specifics? I need to know who aligns with my political beliefs so I can decide whether I still like their music. |
| Ziggy |
Posted - 02/04/2013 : 13:16:16
Seem to remember Joey taking the piss out of the NRA on Twitter recently. |
| The Maharal |
Posted - 02/04/2013 : 12:41:48
Yeah wasn't aware of that either. It takes away a few cool points from them. |
| Carl |
Posted - 02/04/2013 : 11:27:20
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Originally posted by Fissile
BTW, both Dave Lovering and Joey Santiago have gun collections.
Really? Didn't FB made some comment about not being a fan of guns when talking about Bullet? Out of the four of them, I actually imagine Kim Deal as possibly the one with the most experience of guns, given that she's a tough Ohio chick and all!
P.S. I mean hunting etc., not getting into gang fights or anything. ;) |
| Fissile |
Posted - 01/30/2013 : 11:42:27
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Originally posted by floop
Mel Gibson too
green star member since 2006. smb?
Mel is certifiable. |
| floop |
Posted - 01/30/2013 : 11:21:15
Mel Gibson too
green star member since 2006. smb? |
| The Maharal |
Posted - 01/30/2013 : 11:11:15
Ron Asheton too. Dunno if it was more than just a weird interest. |
| Fissile |
Posted - 01/30/2013 : 10:26:17
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Originally posted by Carl
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Originally posted by tisasawath
Lemmy's been around quite a lot, i wasn't aware he was a roadie for Hendrix and he gave bass playing lessons to Sid Vicious.
Wasn't he in The Damned too at one stage? And don't forget Hawkwind - that's him singing on 'Silver Machine'!
I love Lemmy, although his obsession with collecting nazi memorabilia is a little dodgy, ethically speaking.
It's not just Lemmy. Apparently David Bowie and Mick Jagger collect the stuff as well. It's my understanding that Ace Frehley, of KISS, has a huge collection of the stuff. Gene Simmons (true name Chaim Weitz) once told a story about how a drunken Ace Frehley showed up at his house dressed in a SS uniform and started Sieg Heiling when he(Gene) opened the door. Gene Simmons' mother is a Holocaust survivor. Elvis Costello once referred to Ray Charles as a "blind, ignorant, nigger".
BTW, both Dave Lovering and Joey Santiago have gun collections.
You see, my obsessions aren't exclusive to the Pixies. |
| BLT |
Posted - 01/30/2013 : 08:32:28
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Originally posted by tisasawath
...gave bass playing lessons to Sid Vicious.
Somehow I think I'd leave that off my resumé.
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Originally posted by Carl
Wasn't he in The Damned too at one stage?
AFAIK he played a show or two and appeared on the B-side "Ballroom Blitz".
End of derailment. |
| tisasawath |
Posted - 01/30/2013 : 04:53:41
way to derail the thread, Carl.
i wonder who'd win a drinking comp, Kilmister or MacGowan. |
| Carl |
Posted - 01/30/2013 : 04:23:27
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Originally posted by tisasawath
Lemmy's been around quite a lot, i wasn't aware he was a roadie for Hendrix and he gave bass playing lessons to Sid Vicious.
Wasn't he in The Damned too at one stage? And don't forget Hawkwind - that's him singing on 'Silver Machine'!
I love Lemmy, although his obsession with collecting nazi memorabilia is a little dodgy, ethically speaking. |
| tisasawath |
Posted - 01/30/2013 : 00:20:53
exactly, could've ended worse. it's ironic he'd been aware and vocal about safety issues for some time before. here's a fan's transcript from a magazine at the time, this part is pretty alarming: "Tom Araya, Jeff Hannemann, Bob The Blitzer and everyone else on the tour was astounded to find that in every audience (yes, EVERY one) there were people who wished to either a) harm the band, perhaps tragically/mortally or b) harm themselves."
http://imotorhead.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=700
he talked about the coin incident here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGlHmtnze7o
a year later they were back in town and i was just old enough to be impressed by loud fast music, but no luck.. they were fine at the press conference hours before the show, Lemmy was reportedly in his usual routine of cementing downed beers with shots of pear brandy, they were cheerful, but later at the show we learned that Philthy the drummer OD'ed on undiluted coke so they hit the ER instead of the stage. we got to see and hear a very good supporting band and got a refund. that was one of the incidents that later got the drummer fired.
Lemmy's been around quite a lot, i wasn't aware he was a roadie for Hendrix and he gave bass playing lessons to Sid Vicious.
here's a charming entry in wiki: "At the age of 17, he met a holidaying girl named Cathy. Lemmy followed her to Stockport, Cheshire, where she had his son Sean." |
| floop |
Posted - 01/29/2013 : 18:40:54
he's lucky he didn't get star'd in the eye, or ballsac.
how do you know it got infected?
green star member since 2006. smb? |
| tisasawath |
Posted - 01/28/2013 : 21:11:01
re. Chinese stars - dumber things have happened. in '89 Lemmy of Motorhead could've lost his hand after he got hit by razors taped to each side of a large coin, while onstage, then continued the rest of the show, but later the hand got infected and badly swollen. happened in my hometown, sadly. |
| Carl |
Posted - 01/27/2013 : 18:00:16
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Originally posted by Fissile
I once mistook Johnny Depp for a homeless guy.
I once mistook Shane McGowan for a homeless guy! Although I'm sure I'm not the first... |
| tisasawath |
Posted - 01/26/2013 : 01:40:13
yeah, i too believe in everyone's right to piracy.
yarrrrr!
i'll be here all week.
but please, do not dishonour the shuriken by calling it a Chinese star!
as for fan obsessions, they're just the basic desire to feel the presence of whatever qualities the artist is famed for, but then concentrating on their other and less relevant aspects and taking it beyond the healthy and into the pointless realm, like trying to find out what brand of soap they're using as if that's what made them what they are. very useful phenomenon for stars launching their own brand of some banal product.
in short, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_207297&feature=iv&src_vid=sDW6vkuqGLg&v=LH1GFaw09hk |
| Discoking |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 20:30:58
why thank you, fan.
 it's educational |
| darwin |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 18:32:52
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Originally posted by Discoking
i don't live in my parents' basement though. they don't have a basement. i live in what is basically an upgraded shed in their back garden. so don't put that basement shit on me!
it's educational
I'm an obsessed fan of this posting. |
| Jose Jones |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 15:35:38
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Originally posted by BLT
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
...having that book on C# definitely is.
The truly obsessive Frank Black fan would have a book on C# minor.
bless your heart.
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they were the heroes of old, men of renown. |
| BLT |
Posted - 01/22/2013 : 18:37:15
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
...having that book on C# definitely is.
The truly obsessive Frank Black fan would have a book on C# minor. |
| Fissile |
Posted - 01/22/2013 : 14:01:04
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
Thanks AAA for the topic, and I agree, I have feelings about what is right and wrong but I haven't sat down and crystallized it. I don't think that there's much irony (sadly, I do enjoy good irony) in a group of fans talking about where this line but I get what you're saying floop. Fissile, if the Manson file or Mein Kampf aren't red flags, having that book on C# definitely is.
"If we hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."
I like the cut of your jib. |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 01/22/2013 : 13:17:12
Thanks AAA for the topic, and I agree, I have feelings about what is right and wrong but I haven't sat down and crystallized it. I don't think that there's much irony (sadly, I do enjoy good irony) in a group of fans talking about where this line but I get what you're saying floop. Fissile, if the Manson file or Mein Kampf aren't red flags, having that book on C# definitely is.
"If we hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
| danjersey |
Posted - 01/22/2013 : 12:15:38
list list list ... |
| Fissile |
Posted - 01/22/2013 : 10:52:33
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Originally posted by floop
I guess I'm also referring to volume of books. you said you've read every one. having 1 Manson book displayed is a nice conversation starter. having 20 could be a conversation ender
green star member since 2006. smb?
Here's a random sample of books you'll find on one of my bookshelves:
Teach Yourself C#
Das Kapital
Mein Kampf
Book on DIY Picture Framing
The Theory of the Leisure Class
An Unauthorized Biography Of Frank Sinatra
Dancing Wu Li Masters
Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacture
The Manson File
If you'd like, I can put up the entire list and you can tell me which ones you don't approve of.
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| floop |
Posted - 01/22/2013 : 10:28:27
I guess I'm also referring to volume of books. you said you've read every one. having 1 Manson book displayed is a nice conversation starter. having 20 could be a conversation ender
green star member since 2006. smb? |
| Fissile |
Posted - 01/22/2013 : 10:24:20
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Originally posted by floop
I think everyone deserves privacy, but there is truth to the notion that if you seek a profession that entails you being in the limelight, and famous to whatever degree, you willingly give up some degrees of your privacy. not "they had it coming".. no one said that
I personally don't buy the claim to be above gossip and completely uninterested in the personal lives of people you're a fan of. it only seems natural to be curious. there is obviously a balance to this. if you're looking up where they live and digging through their garbage, that's something else entirely. but who hasn't been interested in whatever tidbits have floated out there? Frank talked a lot about his divorce during that time, and therapy, and how it affected his songwriting. found that interesting. or when Frank mentioned that there was a drunken fist fight in the van near the end of the Catholics, i found that intruguing. I think when people share things in interviews it's not invading their privacy.
if someone found out that David Lovering has prescription medication for athletes foot, and posted about it without him knowing, that would be tacky.
someone needs to create a Venn diagram of fandom. one circle will be "owns multiple Chinese stars"
I hate to say it fissile but i think having a bookshelf of Charles Manson biographies could be a fed flag to potential dates you might bring home
green star member since 2006. smb?
I suppose that would be true if I ONLY had books about homicidal maniacs. I've got books on lots of topics besides hippie-cult murders. |
| floop |
Posted - 01/22/2013 : 10:18:55
I think everyone deserves privacy, but there is truth to the notion that if you seek a profession that entails you being in the limelight, and famous to whatever degree, you willingly give up some degrees of your privacy. not "they had it coming".. no one said that
I personally don't buy the claim to be above gossip and completely uninterested in the personal lives of people you're a fan of. it only seems natural to be curious. there is obviously a balance to this. if you're looking up where they live and digging through their garbage, that's something else entirely. but who hasn't been interested in whatever tidbits have floated out there? Frank talked a lot about his divorce during that time, and therapy, and how it affected his songwriting. found that interesting. or when Frank mentioned that there was a drunken fist fight in the van near the end of the Catholics, i found that intruguing. I think when people share things in interviews it's not invading their privacy.
if someone found out that David Lovering has prescription medication for athletes foot, and posted about it without him knowing, that would be tacky.
someone needs to create a Venn diagram of fandom. one circle will be "owns multiple Chinese stars"
I hate to say it fissile but i think having a bookshelf of Charles Manson biographies could be a fed flag to potential dates you might bring home
green star member since 2006. smb? |
