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| SHAZEB ANDLEEB |
Posted - 01/24/2005 : 18:12:26
A. Pixie Frank (Black Francis)
B. Solo Frank (first three solo albums)
C. Catholic Frank (You know which one this is)
Yes, they are all great, but which one do you have a sentimental fondness for and why? I am partial to B.. I just really think Frank was able to show some creativity that perhaps he was not allowed to show in the past. I love the Pixies, but at the same time, I think Frank was constrained under the group concept. His first solo albums were so diverse and mindblowing. Songs such as "Czar," "Thalassocracy," "Speedy Marie," "Men in Black, " etc.. I like FRank's work with the Catholics, but his Catholic sound is a bit more workmanlike and not nearly as "far out" as his other stuff. I will not call it "bar rock," but it is a far cry from "Teenager of the Year."
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| danjersey |
Posted - 03/06/2005 : 15:47:05
maybe its because they were hard for me to locate, but these eps like Hello Club
with Frank and Feldman, or just Frank on "Duke of Earl", amazing. the songs that for whatever reason did'nt land on any records. "living on soul" "sleep"
"Humbolt county massacre" and don't forget "oddballs" I mean, which Frank is that? |
| IceCream |
Posted - 03/06/2005 : 08:39:27
Where would disc 2 of Frank Black Francis be loacted? B?
I cannot decide between A or B. Trompe Le Monde sounds like an FB solo album with a better, less mechanical production to me.
I'll go with my gut and say B. Like many others. |
| Homers_pet_monkey |
Posted - 03/06/2005 : 05:30:57
Easy, A. That's when he was really using his imagination the most and pushing music forward. |
| The Susquatch |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 16:46:52
Thank you, "hang onto your ego" , i feel so silly. Was given a beach boys album and never took to them. I always knew they wrote hang onto your ego first but i never knew his name. Thanx, i suck the knowledge in until my brain pushes out the important stuff, lol;)
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| Little Black Francis |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 16:38:21
the guy from the Beach Boys (who wrote the song which your signature is a take off of)
Floops quesedillas zijn te vergelijken met het likken van fatsige Albert's aars nadat hij een fles laxeermiddel heeft leeggedronken. |
| The Susquatch |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 16:18:15
I dont wanna seem stupid, i am but i dont wanna put it across, but who is Brian Wilson?
Hang on to your Taco! |
| hWolsky |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 07:11:37
Frank Black trying to be Brian Wilson was quite daring...
"This ain't Rock'n Roll, this is genocide" |
| Cult_Of_Frank |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 06:35:25
I'd say B. Teenager of the Year was my introduction to Frank Black and is my favourite FB album to date.
 "Join the Cult of Frank / Seriously." |
| The Susquatch |
Posted - 03/04/2005 : 04:59:40
I got into The Pixies first and it was genuine love. I couldnt get over the imagination, energy, down right pshychoctic and at times sweet blend of genius. It awakened something inside me. Thought there was never a hope that Frank could ever beat it. I believed that up until about Dog in the Sand came out. Teenager of the year had already knocked my socks off but i still thought the pixies always had that edge. I now realize that i dont pick up the pixies albums much anymore and when i do they do not give me the same appeal as the solo and catholics stuff does. My choice would have to be C even though there are a small few songs in the catholics albums that i dont like, (which never happened with pixies or FB solo) the great ones just are so full and powerful that i know for the rest of my days I will be able to pick them up and fall straight back in love with them. More substance in my view, less imagination true but the music and maturity can hold me for life. F, Future Frank is what im craving though...
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| Cabonga |
Posted - 02/03/2005 : 16:06:56
black letter days 1-5
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| Guinardo |
Posted - 02/03/2005 : 07:03:42
Wow this is a great topic.
It's pretty hard to dissociate FB from BF from FB&C etc. What strikes me is how those three "different" eras are all so counter-current. When Black Francis starting screaming about penises, whores and Mother Mary, mainstream was all about glam rock, big hair, and Van Halen-inspired guitar solos, or some teeny bopper one hit wonder chick whit a dance video and too much make up.
Wouldn't you know it, the sound (A) Black Francis created broke onto the scene, not through his voice, however, but it was still his sound... Grunge, "alternative", "indy punk" ironically became mainstream, and suddenly it became real lame to have guitar solos, synths, or overproduced albums. And already, the Pixies were no more and where was the (B) Black Francis? Recording multi-tracked, overdubbed, guitar-solo ridden, synth- textured melodies of (I think) his highest caliber, while his Pixie counterpart got on the grunge bandwagon, patting her own back because of her success, judged mostly on record sales and not critical acclaim.
Well, just about 5 years go by, and corporate music did what it does best : integrate, water-down, overplay all that was originally unique. And we saw a 180 degree turn in music, going back to polished, over-produced, cliched "punk rock", and the resurgence of that one-hit wonder chick (and now boys) and her/his dance videos, although she has traded her bad hair for a g-string.
In the era of over compressed sound and impeccable million-dollar studio recordings, where do we find (C) Black? Traveling cross-country in his bandwagon (how literal is that?), with his Catholics, making one-take, no edit music of profound, emotional grandeur.
Whether it’s the uniqueness of A, the megalomania of B, or the warmth of C, I’m still astounded by how this man always chooses the road not taken.
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| frank black conspiracy |
Posted - 02/02/2005 : 16:50:59
and all those songs we haven't got to hear.
We only get the ones Frank wants us to have. |
| SHAZEB ANDLEEB |
Posted - 02/02/2005 : 15:56:05
Frank can usually put out about a dozen songs in a day. I have a hunch that he did most of the Frank Black songs after the Pixies and the touring that had been involved with the Pixies. I tell you what, one of the great things about FB is his prodigous work effort, there will be tons of stuff to remember him by. Think about those poor Nirvana fans that have such a small catalog to hold on to.
"I'm Thalassocracy and you're just Romanov!" |
| frank black conspiracy |
Posted - 02/01/2005 : 02:08:27
I wonder when FB wrote these songs for 'Frank Black', whether it was while he was with the Ps or after their demise.
The demo version of 'Ego' he did with the Pixies is blown way into oblivion by the self-titled version, even though I love Loverings drums.
Soon as Frank heard the boom of the tom-tom on L.A for real rather than in his head, he must have known he had something special.
Hope so.
Because he had. And still does. |
| SHAZEB ANDLEEB |
Posted - 01/31/2005 : 20:07:48
Yep, B won it, with A coming in 2nd. Teenager of the Year helped B to victory, but I think Frank;s first solo album is the biggest reason. So many great songs on that album. If it had sucked, I think Frank would have never lived down breaking up the band.
"I'm Thalassocracy and you're just Romanov!" |
| frank black conspiracy |
Posted - 01/31/2005 : 17:44:25
CoR is as quirky and distort filled as the previous two, and a world away from the C's works of art. But that's just my opinion. We all have one, and we're all right (as can be).
(except the thought of Catholics being favoured ahead of the Pixies. That I find hard to believe)
Are all votes in now, Shazeb? It's B, right?
B is the winner.
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| SHAZEB ANDLEEB |
Posted - 01/31/2005 : 17:05:01
Man, I get so confused when people keep ragging on COR, I loved that damn album and it is as good as "Dog in Sand."
"I'm Thalassocracy and you're just Romanov!" |
| chipahoyboy |
Posted - 01/28/2005 : 13:38:17
I'd go with B then A then C in that order. The only trouble with B for me is that, to me, "Cult of Ray" in the B years isn't as good as the albums in the A and C years. |
| blarg007 |
Posted - 01/28/2005 : 09:29:00
dog gone.
HEY FrankfranL!!!
don't forget cxhannel 20 at 8pm friday the 4th! |
| FrankfanL |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 13:49:58
B but C is a close second. I discovered Pixies after solo Frank. |
| The Holiday Son |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 12:29:40
B because I discovered FB in 95 and the Black Session Tape is probably the record I listened to the most in my life and although I love The Catholics (and The Pixies), I think the 95-96 line-up was the best he ever worked with (ouch don't hurt me!). |
| The Calistanian |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 12:29:06
B Frank.
I love the Pixies.
I love FB&TC a pinch more.
But he "hit the nail on the head" (or something cheesy like that) with TOTY.
This is my true love.
1. I am a fsh with no i's.
2. You must be wearing Zubaz, 'cause you're daring to be different.
3. I am a man with 3 fingers...but that doesn't count my index finger nor my thumb. |
| ElevatorLady |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 11:11:26
A for me as well. B and C are good, but A is like a paddle on the head. Intense. Makes me feel all sorts of wierd things.
D comes very close. Because of that amazing Pixies show and the amazing night that followed.
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| dave |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 08:03:34
It's B for me as well, and for reason's someone else stated. It's more to do with where I was at the time, than what was going on in the Music. |
| Mad Lucas |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 04:48:12
I remember thinking after my first Doolittle spin "These guys are a taking everything I would NOT do in a Rock song, and doing it" I was in love.
A for me!
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| Daisy Girl |
Posted - 01/26/2005 : 21:38:28
:) I kinda thought of the current Frank being part reunion Frank and part future frank... being that he is working on or has not offically released his future work... 
Gosh I crack my self up because I almost seriously said... that's given the assumption that Honeycomb falls under the Future Frank Category.
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| VoVat |
Posted - 01/26/2005 : 15:45:36
I say B, for the simple reason that it's how I was introduced to the man and his work.
By the way, Daisy Girl, what happened to E? Is that Current Frank?
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
| two reelers |
Posted - 01/26/2005 : 00:29:20
quote:
Originally posted by langdonboom
Wasn't it Rich Gibert on FB&the C's? I thought Lyle's last work was COR.
nope, lyle was on FB&TC.
there i am again, with my hammer, hitting those nails as hard as i can. cheers, FBC !
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
| Someone |
Posted - 01/25/2005 : 23:14:40
i'll go with B but option C is a close second. |
| Jordo |
Posted - 01/25/2005 : 22:40:58
My favorite Frank is B...His first 3 solo albums are the closest to my sensibilities. The most humor and weirdness and a lot of heart. I kind of count Trompe Le Monde as this too, because Motorway to Roswell, Navajo etc are VERY solo Frank Black-like songs.
I love the Pixies but I dont know their stuff as well as I know Franks solo stuff. I mean I have every pixies albums but I dont know it all by heart. Also I feel a little more detached to it...Like..I'm in awe as I'm listening to this screaming maniac screaming all these horrific and beautiful lyrics, but I don't feel like I could have a conversation with whoever is doing it...But the solo Frank Black I feel like I get it a lot more, and just feel a lot friendlier towards it. Well it makes sense since Frank said the Pixies are meant to make you feel uncomfortable.
I respect that a lot but I like the warmness and fun and occasional sillyness of his first 3 solo albums (and bsides).
I also love Frank and the Catholics but its a lot more "adult" sounding...His first 3 albums just have this wonderful youthfulness and naivite to them almost...Hell its even called "Teenager of the Year"...its like a young man wondering if there are aliens out there who will be his friend.
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| langdonboom |
Posted - 01/25/2005 : 11:38:01
Wasn't it Rich Gibert on FB&the C's? I thought Lyle's last work was COR.
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| frank black conspiracy |
Posted - 01/25/2005 : 09:45:22
quote:
Originally posted by two reelers
billy radcliffe. everything is new. heloise. solid gold. i wan't rock'n' roll. true blue. robert onion. san antonio. stupid me. bullet. suffering. blast off.
does these sound like from one man or one band ? no.
To me, they sound like the work of one man. When I listen to his latest offering, all be it not the finished article, it has the same qualities and signature as the very first solo effort, Frank Black. He has his own unique style of writing (even though not original), and by looking at the chords even without hearing the song you can tell the work of FB.
quote:
the whole is more than the sum of the parts.
So true again two reelers.
You're making a habit of hitting the nail on the head every time in this thread. |
| ramona |
Posted - 01/25/2005 : 08:14:49
Catholic Frank.
For all the FB&TC's shows I have seen and for the reason that those brought me here in the first place. I wouldn't want to imagine my life without a few people I met through this forum.
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| two reelers |
Posted - 01/25/2005 : 06:26:58
quote:
Originally posted by frank black conspiracy
quote:
Originally posted by two reelers
COR is already a catholics album. it has the same band as FB&TC - lyle w., scott b., dave mc. so, for the sake of useless accuracy, there are only two FB solo albums.
true, two reelers, but useless accuracy tells us only one name on the front.
Frank Black. No Catholics. this album wasn't time for the Catholics.
Men in Black, The Marsist, Adventure and resolution. do these sound like Catholic songs to you? Probably.
no catholics. just frank, frankly.
billy radcliffe. everything is new. heloise. solid gold. i wan't rock'n' roll. true blue. robert onion. san antonio. stupid me. bullet. suffering. blast off.
does these sound like from one man or one band ? no. when i played "dog in the sand" (the album) to a friend, he couldn't believe, that this was from one band.
i mean, FB is evolving all the time. of course, the sound does change from band to band, but there are no sharp transitions. and if it comes to a songwriter like FB, the sound is not so important, i guess. i can't divide between a pixies/solo/catholics frank, not even for sentimental reasons. the whole is more than the sum of the parts.
but to conribute something to this thread, i must name "Los Angeles" as my favourite Charles Thompson song for sentimental reasons. why ? it was 1992. i just got into the pixies, and i thought, wow, incredible. and immediately they broke up, so my dissapointment was great. then i heard, that there was one bloke of them who puts out a solo record. and i was like, hmhmm, i hope it will be 10% good as the pixies, even that would be enough for me. then i got the record and i put it on. "there was a man, he was a good man..." - 3 minutes later i was smiling from ear to ear. the first song of the first album from frank black - it restored my faith in the world.
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| vilainde |
Posted - 01/25/2005 : 02:52:33
"sentimental" favorite would probably be the Pixies. When you spend 2 years listening to Trompe Le Monde & Bossanova at least once every single day, it obviously means a lot to you. But if we're talking about the old Frank/Pixies debate, I'll choose Frank.
Denis
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