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Bedbug
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Posted - 03/25/2023 :  06:39:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the perspective Sprite, interesting to hear

And how funny is it that we can grow bored during Something Against You :-). I get it too. But who could have imagined?

I gotta say other than the variety I canít really say Iíd need to hear anything from HC played live. Iím not sure that albumís stock will ever rise
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 03/25/2023 :  23:24:29  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
All the saint is so, so good

That one could have been on Bossanova



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Bedbug
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Posted - 03/26/2023 :  01:14:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman

All the saint is so, so good

That one could have been on Bossanova



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Forgot about that one!

That is a great song.

Not sure I could picture it on Bossanova, but definitely hope they keep playing it live. It might peak some interest in HC.
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *

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Posted - 03/27/2023 :  08:03:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug

Thanks for the perspective Sprite, interesting to hear

And how funny is it that we can grow bored during Something Against You :-). I get it too. But who could have imagined?

I gotta say other than the variety I canít really say Iíd need to hear anything from HC played live. Iím not sure that albumís stock will ever rise



Well that's a funny one. I think Doggerel is a much superior record to Head Carrier. But I've heard great versions of HC songs live before (Classic Masher, Oona even All I think about now). Whereas Pagan Man, Thunder & Lighting, great as they are on the record, don't land so well live.
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =

USA
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Posted - 03/28/2023 :  07:21:40  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I agree. HC songs work live, maybe because they are pretty raw and simple (is that the right word?) The album is badly produced though, in some way or another. Doggerel is produced pretty nicely (though I have some issues with it) but the songs are not meant to get a crowd going.

Chugga, Oona, Talent are fun live. I don't like Classic Masher but I can understand why it's a fun live song, big singalong chorus, dynamics, etc.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 03/28/2023 :  08:16:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Funily enough HC the song came up on my shuffle yesterday and I was really digging it. I've never watched a live version that I like though. There's one that FBF literally says "this one's called Head Carrier" during the song.
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Troubles A Foot
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USA
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Posted - 03/28/2023 :  23:31:37  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I think HC the song has tons of potential but I don't think the album reaches it. I also think the chorus kind of wimps out
("I'm goin' down the drain...") when it should be getting more spiky and weirder, not like some generic country thing. I feel like HC needs more of a performance in the vocals, better production, etc. But that's why it could be a great live song.
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/30/2023 :  02:42:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Troubles A Foot

I think HC the song has tons of potential but I don't think the album reaches it. I also think the chorus kind of wimps out
("I'm goin' down the drain...") when it should be getting more spiky and weirder, not like some generic country thing. I feel like HC needs more of a performance in the vocals, better production, etc. But that's why it could be a great live song.




Find the production on the title track very odd - almost like it's quickly done radio session. Then smack into 'Classic Masher' with autotune all over the vocals, plus that weird volume boost for the chorus!

Certainly the 2.0 album I like the least.
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Troubles A Foot
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USA
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Posted - 03/30/2023 :  08:03:04  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
HC the album REALLY sounds bad in a playlist with other 2.0 albums. I was shocked when it came on in the car.
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stuczuba
= Cult of Ray =

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Posted - 03/31/2023 :  01:35:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's a very long way from live to 2 track... I'm not convinced he's the best producer for them, feels like he makes it really easy for them to take a back seat. The podcast for the recent album had a real "that'll do" vibe from Charles.
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
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Posted - 03/31/2023 :  08:09:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
But Oona fucking rocks, and it's on Head Carrier.

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Bedbug
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Posted - 03/31/2023 :  14:02:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I still really want to like Oona
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stuczuba
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Posted - 04/01/2023 :  02:57:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by picpic

But Oona fucking rocks

quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug

I still really want to like Oona


Let it go, you're never going to be in her band.

Edited by - stuczuba on 04/01/2023 02:57:43
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/01/2023 :  05:53:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by picpic

But Oona fucking rocks, and it's on Head Carrier.

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Yeah, love 'Oona'. Is anyone able to share the IC era demo?

'Baal's Back' is the one where everyone hated the 'recorded in a kitchen cupboard' vocal sound, didn't they?
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Troubles A Foot
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USA
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Posted - 04/01/2023 :  15:04:06  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Baal's Back is some of the worst production I've heard on any album...ever.

Oona is good. It's a really solid Pixies song. I like it. It gets in my head all the time.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 04/01/2023 :  18:17:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I certainly like Oona better than Baal's Back, and I know people were really excited about it before it even came out, but it just never really got me.

I could picture it fitting in better on NSE than on a Pixies album.

What is it about anyway?
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =

USA
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Posted - 04/01/2023 :  20:57:07  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
What I think the song is about is far too scandalous to post here in this classy place.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 04/02/2023 :  01:19:12  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Baal's back is awesome
Production is weird and I like weird
Is it a "good" production?
Don't know. I guess not.

The song is good and it puzzles me soundwise
I like that in a FB-recording
I would prefer this scrappy, cut and paste, processed sound over "let's make this sound like Tom Petty"





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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 04/02/2023 :  01:19:47  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
And Yes, Doggerel is way too comforting

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Brank_Flack
= Cult of Ray =

Canada
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Posted - 04/02/2023 :  05:57:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I never understood Oona's stature here. The verse is kind of slinky and charming, but I find the chorus plodding and boring.

Baals Back is a good song, but the vocals were terribly recorded. Charles' was absolutely killing the vocals in the live versions that preceded the studio version, but Tom didn't seem to know/understand how to record Charles' screams which neuters the recording.
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Troubles A Foot
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USA
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Posted - 04/02/2023 :  14:38:45  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The drums, bass and guitars are also terribly recorded/mixed.
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =

USA
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Posted - 04/02/2023 :  14:40:05  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman

Baal's back is awesome
Production is weird and I like weird
Is it a "good" production?
Don't know. I guess not.

The song is good and it puzzles me soundwise
I like that in a FB-recording
I would prefer this scrappy, cut and paste, processed sound over "let's make this sound like Tom Petty"




It's not either/or. Catholics albums were scrappy but they sound beautiful and rocking and intense.

Baal just sounds amateurish and muddy and unpleasant. The entire thing falls totally flat because of bad production. It doesn't rock or roll. It just lays there.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 04/04/2023 :  11:01:59  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Yeah and then I decided that I liked that awful mixing
Only because it was unexpected


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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <

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Posted - 04/04/2023 :  13:33:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I donít know how our man keeps doing this to me, but I listened to Baals back for the first time in a long time and I liked it quite a bit more than I ever had before.
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
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Posted - 04/12/2023 :  11:17:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting how every thread on this forum seems to turns into a discussion about which 2.0 song sucks the most and which other one Ďalso sucks somehow but I like it X years laterí

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Edited by - picpic on 04/12/2023 11:20:01
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Bedbug
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Posted - 04/12/2023 :  16:03:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You know whatís funny, I think Iíve done that with every single album release going all the way back to Bossanova
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
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Posted - 04/13/2023 :  03:31:07  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by picpic

Interesting how every thread on this forum seems to turns into a discussion about which 2.0 song sucks the most and which other one Ďalso sucks somehow but I like it X years laterí

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I believe all my posts turn into:
Surfer Rosa and Doolittle bore me
I want more 2.0 and more Bossanova and TLM live.


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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/16/2023 :  10:33:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Festival season again! I find it amusing that with all the festivals around these days we haven't seen both Pixies and Breeders on the same bill.

Is it likely with the Breeders being slightly further down on the billing they will check the headliners and respond accordingly?

Or Charles and co telling management no Breeders!

Or just coincidence?

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pot
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Iceland
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Posted - 05/16/2023 :  11:49:38  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
What if Frank played solo and he was on a festival bill with The Breeders - who would be above who?

What if they were both playing different tents at the same time and you'd never seen The Breeders live ( like me ) ?
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Bedbug
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Posted - 05/16/2023 :  23:22:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pot

What if Frank played solo and he was on a festival bill with The Breeders - who would be above who?

What if they were both playing different tents at the same time and you'd never seen The Breeders live ( like me ) ?



Frank

Not even close

As Chris Rock said, itís like choosing between Halle Berry and gum disease
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
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Posted - 05/21/2023 :  00:38:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pot

What if Frank played solo and he was on a festival bill with The Breeders - who would be above who?


i assume the breeders would be above frank black solo.


it's educational
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
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Posted - 05/22/2023 :  23:52:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i would love to attend another breeders show. it's been a while.
or a fb/bf solo show. that's been even longer.


it's educational
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Bedbug
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Posted - 05/23/2023 :  07:04:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
An FB solo show right now would be amazing. Anything he played would be great, even 1.0/2.0 stuff, but to hear anything from in between those would be a real treat
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Bedbug
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Posted - 06/14/2023 :  14:56:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I saw that they played Snakes the other night.

Glad to see it.

I can't remember if it's been forever since they played it or if it comes up now and then
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *

United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/16/2023 :  00:22:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Greens and Blues apparently made a welcome return to the set last night.
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