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billgoodman Posted - 10/01/2022 : 01:35:25
What we know (in chronical order):

- Doggerel was made with the 40 demo's/ideas that Frank (and a couple more from Joey) brought to the sessions. They had some good songs that didn't fit the record so they were put aside (acording to FBF in the French Rolling Stone)

- Paz says the band worked on 16 of the 40 songs (bass magazine interview) [12 were released on Doggerel]

- In april (source?) of 2022 the Pixies and Tom Dalgety recorded for a week in Rockfield Studios (Wales).

- One of the songs Frank liked from the demo's, but did not do during the Doggerel-sessions, that they tried to record in Wales. Bluesy, stomper song, "I enjoyed it as an acoustic demo" [...] they tried to make it bigger, better and louder, but "in the end it was just too loud", "too much information". It didn't work out, it was failure, "thank god we didn't release this because we were in a rush"
(interview on Raised on Radio)

- Joey brought some songs to the table again (working titles Howie's Garage, I hear you mary, Taking care of bid'ness, according to Uncut interview). They recorded three ideas in Rockfield (according to Under the Radar interview), maybe those three?

- Paz recorded two songs for it (according to BF in French interview)

- Frank to SPIN: [On Doggerel] "I think that’s one more writing collaboration than has appeared on any other disc in the Pixies catalog. I imagine there will be much more collaboration forthcoming. I sense it.”

- Session in Wales didn't go that well, acording to FBF in Ultimate Music Guide :
"I was not in a good mood for lots of reasons"
I was very frustrated because now Mr Fucking Producer wants to work on all the fucking artsy-fartsy scraps from the margin. I got all these 40 fucking songs I wrote, for once in my life I do my homework............Now I show up with the goods and they're like [] these werid little things that you didn't intend over here bla bla
[ ]
I threw my notebook on top of the roof [..] I threw about three temper tantrums in about eight days

- Joey in Under the Radar:
"we have recorded so far about seven or eight demos for the next album. There will be a ninth album, we’re planning that already. After a good amount of a break, we will start recording again some time next year. We’re already kicking around what part of the world to work and record in next time"

- October 2023: Pixies record a new session with Tom Dalgety at Guilford Sounds, same place were Doggerel was recorded

- Paz leaves the band in october 2023 - march 2024

- Pixies play Vegas Suite, a new song, on the Bossanova Trompe tour

- Pixies rehearse a new song, which is posted on instagram: https://fb.watch/qROLONNt-1/

- Frank Black plays a new song, which is posted on instagram:
https://fb.watch/qROQ6dvc5M/

- 11 song titles are published on the BMI website

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Stevio10 Posted - 04/12/2024 : 12:17:55
quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug

Cult of Ray is fantastic, gets better with age. But it will never be on the level of the SR through TOTY run. That’s the greatest streak of albums by anyone who has ever made music.



COR is great, to me it's Franks most Iggy album.
Stevio10 Posted - 04/12/2024 : 12:14:29
quote:
Originally posted by Sprite

Agh, I was hoping it was another demo disk for a 22 track special.



Me too! Not impossible considering the Beneath The Eyrie demos didn't appear for some time. Fingers crossed!
Bedbug Posted - 04/12/2024 : 11:08:06
Cult of Ray is fantastic, gets better with age. But it will never be on the level of the SR through TOTY run. That’s the greatest streak of albums by anyone who has ever made music.
billgoodman Posted - 04/12/2024 : 00:17:11
I really don't like that record, sorry.
Some songs leave no real impression on me

Soundwise it's fine. But the whole left guitar/right guitar approach is way better in the next couple of albums.

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two reelers Posted - 04/11/2024 : 23:16:42
quote:
Originally posted by Troubles A Foot

Dance War rules and I will take anything from Cult of Ray over the Dalgety Pixies stuff.



Fully agree. COR is a masterpiece. I honestly think it is the best-sounding album the man ever put out. It has such a consistent sound. In a promotion interview of 1996, Frank stated that they had a clear vison how the album should sound - like "Live at Leeds" by the Who. I cannot think of any other FB/Pixies albums which have such a simple, pure and yet distinctive sound. I also think the songs on COR are great.
Not saying it is his "best" album, nor my favourite album (that would be TLM, and maybe FB self-titled). But it is definetely one which I still listen a lot to, and I still enjoy it every time.

I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band
Sprite Posted - 04/11/2024 : 14:16:24
Agh, I was hoping it was another demo disk for a 22 track special.
Stevio10 Posted - 04/11/2024 : 12:43:17
Interesting how there are 11 new titles considering all the recent albums have 12 tracks. Presuming it is a new album - and there will be 12 tracks - the other song could be a cover, an older song (please be o little cloud) or a brand brand new one.

Anyway, if anyone wants to view the BMI list of songs here's the website;

https://repertoire.bmi.com/Search/Search?Main_Search_Text=Charles%20Thompson%20michael&Main_Search=Catalog&Search_Type=all&View_Count=100&Page_Number=1&Part_Type=WriterList&Part_Id=CbxQZOBJglMSZyahenTXww%253d%253d&Part_Id_Sub=YO0HedHMatLb45JzS23DVw%253d%253d&Part_Cae=1qXwTosXzeDKmo29q3B%252frg%253d%253d&Original_Search=Writer%2FComposer
oddball Posted - 04/11/2024 : 08:51:13
Based on Tom Dalgety's instagram page, it looks like some recording is happening:
https://www.instagram.com/tomdalgety/

-oddball
billgoodman Posted - 04/11/2024 : 01:48:12
Billy Radcliff in the FBF-facebookgroup speculates that Chicken is (a cover or a hommage) to the Chubby Checker song.
"Ernest Evans" is Checkers real name.

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billgoodman Posted - 04/09/2024 : 12:09:18
Cool song title

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vilainde Posted - 04/09/2024 : 11:00:30
Ooooh I wanna hear the chicken song!


Denis
Bedbug Posted - 04/09/2024 : 10:05:44
quote:
Originally posted by Stevio10

Some new song titles listed on BMI.

What is the consensus, would you like me to post these? Don't want to spoil the song titles for anyone who would prefer to wait or ruin any potential upcoming announcements. Any suggestions?


Edit: if anyone wants to see the new song titles I've posted them on Ingur link below. Saves ruining it for anyone that doesn't want to see them!

https://imgur.com/a/3Tuqk8s



Very cool Stevio

Thanks for sharing
billgoodman Posted - 04/09/2024 : 09:07:13
Thanks, Stevio!

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Sprite Posted - 04/09/2024 : 07:39:30
Thanks for posting! Am always happy to see these go by.
Stevio10 Posted - 04/09/2024 : 03:06:18
Some new song titles listed on BMI.

What is the consensus, would you like me to post these? Don't want to spoil the song titles for anyone who would prefer to wait or ruin any potential upcoming announcements. Any suggestions?


Edit: if anyone wants to see the new song titles I've posted them on Ingur link below. Saves ruining it for anyone that doesn't want to see them!

https://imgur.com/a/3Tuqk8s
billgoodman Posted - 04/04/2024 : 23:00:18
Joey plays great on that track. I also like some of the drums.

On a side note: Emma has liked my Instagram-comment "meanwhile you can record some tunes".You can find it as a reply on her post about a great March and looking forward to tour with Pixies in May. April is enough to replace some bass lines, right?

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tamefan Posted - 04/04/2024 : 17:22:42
Hear Me Out has some redeeming qualities, suchas the playful post-chorus "bah-bah-bah-bah-bah"s which for some reason remind me of Talent.
billgoodman Posted - 03/28/2024 : 11:03:29
No, the "when you're tired"-bit is from the finger picking song Frank plays solo on insta/facebook.
And it indeed directly goes to a bridge (sort of)

Vegas Suite has a chorus-verse-chorus structure I think, the bridge is indeed instrumental. But it's no rocket science

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johnnyribcage Posted - 03/28/2024 : 10:43:25
quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug

I’m no musician so let me ask you guys am I right that on Vegas Suite and the clip of the new song (“when you’re tired”) he’s going into a bridge after the first stanza? I dig both these songs a ton and even though the tempos are slower they move right along for me



I like Vegas Suite a little less every time I listen to it. I’m not sure which part is “when you’re tired.” I wouldn’t say there’s a bridge in the song. There’s the little, slightly more energetic interlude after the first full cycle of lyrics. I don’t feel like listening to it enough times to write them down but I’d call the hope he don’t hate us / save us / coming today bit a refrain. So the verses include the refrain, and what is essentially the chorus is also the refrain, preceded by what I’d call a pre-chorus. Not sure if that makes sense.

Anyway, the double time slightly more rocking bit is probably the closest thing to a bridge here, but it doesn’t work for me.


I had a bad reaction to your public hobby writings.
vilainde Posted - 03/28/2024 : 05:15:04
I had completely forgotten about Hear Me Out, googled it and now I remember that I meant to buy the 12" for Mambo Sun but changed my mind when I heard the A side...

Denis
Bedbug Posted - 03/26/2024 : 06:04:38
I’m no musician so let me ask you guys am I right that on Vegas Suite and the clip of the new song (“when you’re tired”) he’s going into a bridge after the first stanza? I dig both these songs a ton and even though the tempos are slower they move right along for me
billgoodman Posted - 03/25/2024 : 23:51:31
Emma's vocal on Jane-rehearsal sound wonderful, btw

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Troubles A Foot Posted - 03/25/2024 : 16:51:14
It shows how important lyrics can be. Because if that song had great lyrics, it really would elevate it and it could become a favorite. It would tip it over the line. But because they're so boring, it kind of ruins the music, and makes the whole thing feel like a waste. Now some pieces of music are so incredible that the lyrics might not matter, but for ones on the fence like Hear Me Out, a good lyric is everything.
Brank_Flack Posted - 03/25/2024 : 16:35:02
quote:
Originally posted by Ziggy

The backing track is great, but the lyrics are poor. Didn't the podcast feature a version with BF's guide vocal for it with his own lyrics?

There's at least an album's worth of 2.0 era songs that don't appear to have been released (unless reworked into ones we have seen). Alice Prin and other pre-Indie Cindy demos, Down in Toulon, Super Lecker (played live at one or two shows)...



If that version exists, I would love to hear it!

I agree - I think the music is actually quite good but that the lyrics are as bland as it gets.
Ziggy Posted - 03/25/2024 : 15:27:39
The backing track is great, but the lyrics are poor. Didn't the podcast feature a version with BF's guide vocal for it with his own lyrics?

There's at least an album's worth of 2.0 era songs that don't appear to have been released (unless reworked into ones we have seen). Alice Prin and other pre-Indie Cindy demos, Down in Toulon, Super Lecker (played live at one or two shows)...
billgoodman Posted - 03/24/2024 : 19:53:00
Bland, yes

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Bedbug Posted - 03/24/2024 : 18:04:51
quote:
Originally posted by Troubles A Foot

quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman

Still like the song, the lyrics could have been better




For all the talk about what Pixies are and what they are not, can we at least all agree that incredibly bland, uninteresting, not evocative lyrics like Hear Me Out are definitely what they are not?



Forgot about that song. Yes, lyrics sound worse than first generation AI attempt at songwriting
Troubles A Foot Posted - 03/24/2024 : 16:08:38
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman

Still like the song, the lyrics could have been better




For all the talk about what Pixies are and what they are not, can we at least all agree that incredibly bland, uninteresting, not evocative lyrics like Hear Me Out are definitely what they are not?
Stevio10 Posted - 03/24/2024 : 14:07:14
Hear me out? It's alright, it's ok
billgoodman Posted - 03/24/2024 : 12:15:31
Still like the song, the lyrics could have been better
The vocal sound is how I think Long Rider should have sounded

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Troubles A Foot Posted - 03/24/2024 : 07:08:03
Hear Me Out was deeply disappointing, one of my anti-Paz moments.
The Maharal Posted - 03/24/2024 : 02:21:44
I like MAWBG as well. Be a good idea for a thread, that. Hear Me Out is a contender - I can't even remember the melody or anything about it.
Troubles A Foot Posted - 03/23/2024 : 17:57:39
quote:
Originally posted by TheScooper
Jane at least still sounds more Pixies-ish to me than say, Might As Well Be Gone (truly the nadir of the Dalgety and perhaps any other era).




I don't agree with this, nor do I understand it. That's a good song.
pot Posted - 03/23/2024 : 16:22:09
The new dressing room song whatever it is - little bit of it at one point or points reminds me a lot of Allison
Most of Allison is the same repeated chord progression but one bit of this new song sounds like it and it's got the same kind of energy
TheScooper Posted - 03/23/2024 : 15:38:25
While mellower, Jane at least still sounds more Pixies-ish to me than say, Might As Well Be Gone (truly the nadir of the Dalgety and perhaps any other era).

RE: the October sessions including Wolves -- where did we hear that from?

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