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trobrianders Posted - 06/19/2013 : 03:04:59
TV shows and the like. Just started watching The Returned (Les Revenants), a French Twin Peaksy drama series about a bunch of coach crash victims who return from the dead to their Alpine town. Neither the victims nor the townsfolk know why this has happened. The drama is played completely straight, I think that's why it's so gripping. Two episodes in so far. Denis you been watching?

Ed is the hoo hoo
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pot Posted - 09/19/2022 : 01:02:41
Thatíll be it then
Troubles A Foot Posted - 09/18/2022 : 12:14:04
I'm googling it but all I really see is that the actors just joked about spinoffs in interviews, and that AMC was hoping for a Mad Men spinoff. But nothing actually serious.
pot Posted - 09/18/2022 : 09:06:01
There was talk of a Mad Men spin off but I guess it got binned for whatever reason - I think they were talking about something with Joan?
Troubles A Foot Posted - 09/18/2022 : 08:05:39
The thought never occurred to me of even wanting/needing a Mad Men spinoff...I feel like generally all the character arcs felt pretty concluded in an emotional sense.

I've always wondered what Matthew Weiner's next show The Romanoffs was like. It got pretty bad reviews, as did a film he made right after Mad Men. I wonder what happened? I swear one day I will watch The Romanoffs.
pot Posted - 09/18/2022 : 00:00:05
Mad Men is pure class - thoroughly enjoyed that show - disappointed we never got a spin off though?
Troubles A Foot Posted - 09/17/2022 : 19:47:15
Yes...That is a show that will stick with you. I feel like me and my fiance bring up Mad Men every few days in conversation.
Bedbug Posted - 09/17/2022 : 19:10:15
Finally watching Mad Men and loving it
Troubles A Foot Posted - 09/13/2022 : 18:02:42
I want to watch that show very badly.

Watching and enjoying House of the Dragon. I'm not a big Game of Thrones fan but for some reason I was really in the mood to be in that world again and the show is well made and feels like back to what made the first several GoT seasons interesting.

We also just started The Prisoner, which is really cool so far.
Bedbug Posted - 09/13/2022 : 04:08:25
Succession won the big prize last night, and I would definitely recommend it for those who havenít seen it
pot Posted - 09/13/2022 : 02:52:36
Well I personally think Paddy Considine is nailing it playing King Visceris Targaryen in the new GoT series House Of The Dragon. I mean, the guy is usually pretty much amazing in anything heís in - especially Dead Manís Shoes - a very adept and versatile actor indeed. All hail the king!

Totally forgot about the GoT Panto as well lol - very good latest ep 4
Bedbug Posted - 09/06/2022 : 03:08:07
The Humanity Bureau starring Nic Cage.

Cage makes about 5-6 films a year these days, and this one is a bullseye. Dystopian government conspiracy mystery fabric of time love story sentimental confusion. 90 minutes well spent
Troubles A Foot Posted - 09/03/2022 : 17:34:14
Finished Severance, really loved where it went. I highly recommend.

I have COVID this week and feel miserable. You'd think it would be a good time to watch a lot of movies or binge a TV show but my fiance is so busy she can't really do much, and it's hard thinking of stuff to watch without her that she's not interested in. And the stuff I do watch without her isn't that great. So it's been kinda shitty.
Troubles A Foot Posted - 08/27/2022 : 10:19:28
Checking out Severance. Two episodes in and enjoying it. But part of me thinks "this should have just been a movie" and I also wonder why they use CGI for stuff that would be so much more effective practically, like black goo dripping down someone's desk. Just put some goo on it! Jesus christ. Laziness.
pot Posted - 08/25/2022 : 23:05:18
True Blood was great - but it did receive a fair bit of negative criticism. It was completely over the top - lots of daft vampire special effects and stuff but if you looked beyond that it was more than your average supernatural TV series - it was basically a comedy and at the time I likened it to Being Human which was airing in the UK which was also some kind of off-beat comedy drama about vampires and werewolves living normal lives. Then the US got it's own spin-off version of Being Human which was complete crap.

Ah well, if you don't give a go then you'll never know. If Homeland Security ever let me in the US for a bucket list trip I've bookmarked in Bon Temps for a visit (or whatever the actual place is called).
Troubles A Foot Posted - 08/25/2022 : 14:59:39
Moonfall was one of the funniest bad things I've ever seen! I mean, I had a fun time laughing at it with my friends, but I was shocked throughout how awful it was on every level. There's a shot of the main guy standing in a dumpster with such bad green screen that it looked like an SNL sketch. I just started laughing in the theater. A movie really crapped out without any care for anything except sucking up to China.

As for True Blood, no I never watched it. I had a friend who at the time told me it was awful. It just didn't seem like something I'd enjoy.
pot Posted - 08/18/2022 : 08:30:47
Holy Guacamole! I thought the season finale of Better Call Saul was last week? There's still one more espiode to go - woohoo!

I kind of though the final scene was a good way to end it - but apparently there's still more..
pot Posted - 08/13/2022 : 12:41:20
Just watched Moonfall on Am Prime - pretty fun sci-fi disaster movie with a bit of an old skool feel to it and some edge of your seat jaw dropping CGI! It's a bit cheesy as you might expect but it's not too bad and manages to avoid ruining some scenes with ill-thought out anachronisms as they usually do with blockbusters. Get the popcorn out, crack open a bottle and put your feet up and enjoy a two hour thrill ride.
pot Posted - 08/13/2022 : 03:19:14
What did you think about True Blood then Troub? Or did you skip it altogether because it was Alan Ball maybe?

Seems a shame if you did because (in the first 4 seasons anyway) it was really great - so long as you don't take it too seriously it was kind of half comedy/tongue in cheek maybe and I found it immensely entertaining. Lot of folk are pining for it's return, and I'd love to see that too but it would have to be Alan Ball in charge or else it'll be wank.

We've also lost probably widely regarded as the most popular character - Lafayete played by Nelson Ellis so that kind of ruins a TB reboot as well. Gay characters who are also hard as fuck seem to be a recurring theme of Ball's TV I've noticed? I don't know if that's a reflection of the type of character he is himself in real life - with all the Kevin Spacey stuff going on as well I'm wondering how that is all reflecting on Alan Ball, not wishing to cast any aspersions.. Hollywood seems to be a magnet for predatory types in general.
pot Posted - 08/12/2022 : 15:09:56
There are literally thousands of possible explanations for whatever was going on at the start, hypothetically. I thought BCS was going to be more like a standalone episode series like Rake or something and next thing I'm getting this black and white scene showing a guy sitting on a chair next to a wheelie bin eating a sandwich for like 3 minutes or something?

Sorry you hated SFU so much but respect for at least watching the entire series maybe if involuntarily. The ending was shit - or just so what who cares. Did we get a spin-off series about Claire's life in New York after that? No - so what was so great about it? Nothing. But it doesn't really matter because it was the end of the series.

Name me a series that had a really great ending that was so good you actually didn't want it to go on any longer? I'll say Travelers for that - about the most perfect ending for a series I've ever seen I think - I think there should be an Emmy category for that and they should have won it that year. or also not because awards ceremonies are fake.

Also trying to get through The Sopranos - watched the first couple of eps at my Mum's on Sky but it's there and I can only get through so many eps when I'm there. It's 20 years old and you still got to pay for it so it must be good, huh?
Troubles A Foot Posted - 08/12/2022 : 14:51:43
Well, like I said, he's shown watching tapes of his old commercials at the very beginning of episode 1, season 1. There's not really any other conclusion one can come to with that.

I watched all of Six Feet Under and hated every minute of it. I can't even believe I watched the whole thing but, 1) I had heard it had an incredible ending (no it didn't), and 2) it was a time in my life that was kind of lonely and less busy, where I laid in bed and marathoned TV shows all the time. I think I got through it in a few months, just curious where it was all heading.

I hated the characters, I hated the writing, I hated the stories, I hated the tone, I hated everything about it. I could be more specific if it was closer to the time I watched it but so much of the show has left my memory. But at the time I would rant to people about all the things that bother me. Maybe I made an old post online somewhere...I do remember absolutely despising the first episode and taking a long break as I waffled on whether to keep going or not. I asked around and many of my coworkers said they love it, it gets better, the ending is amazing, etc.

After going through that I just made a mental note to never check out anything by Alan Ball ever again. The fact that Six Feet Under is often spoken of in the same breath as something like The Sopranos or The Wire is just shocking to me.

I also think American Beauty is pretty bad.
pot Posted - 08/12/2022 : 13:17:17
Now I'm thinking I might remember Jimmy saying something about that but I don't know if it's a false memory because you told me about it.

Interested to know what Alan Ball series didn't rub off on you and fermented your opinion? I'm guessing it must have been either Six Feet Under or True Blood. I personally found SFU quite refreshing at the time - rather than watching drama with people arguing or fighting each other all the time here was a show that just depicted people being kind to each other - and it was quite off beat at times and explored some deep questions about the nature of consciousness.

Then there's Banshee - don't know if you ever saw any of that. Maybe, because I think it was filmed around the north east of America somewhere where you are based Troub. That was full on violence, but it was all fist fights mostly - extremely fucked up over the top fist fights where if it was real either person involved would probably have died fairly early on into the battle(s). That part of it was kind of boring but on the other side it really did have some memorable characters and the plots got better in season 3 and 4.
pot Posted - 08/11/2022 : 09:38:58
Man how am I supposed to remember he said he was going to work for Cinnabun and make that connection on BCS with the same relative ease you appear to have? Of course, not being American I don't know what a Cinnabun is either - whether it's even a real pastry shop - so maybe that's why it went over my head.

And how can you not like Alan Ball TV that much?

Oh well, we can't all agree to like everything I suppose.
Troubles A Foot Posted - 08/11/2022 : 09:28:37
Originally posted by pot
I also think it went a bit downhill after S1

Nothing could be farther from the truth...

Oh god, I hate Alan Ball's work. I hope Gilligan stays far away from him.

Wow, it never occurred to me people wouldn't know the black and white scenes were the present day. I don't believe the show was being cagey or mysterious about it at all. Saul jokingly said in one of his last Breaking Bad appearances that he's going to go work at a Cinnabun somewhere when this is all over. Plus there's tons of visual cues that it's the present, iPhones, etc, etc throughout these.

The very first scene is him watching tapes of his old advertisements when he had the Saul law firm. The show was not being intentionally misleading there. That is clear storytelling.
pot Posted - 08/10/2022 : 23:12:23
I didn't know Vince Gilligan had been a (co-)producer on The X-Files - I kind of stopped watching that series after the first season really - mostly because I got distracted by the student nightlife of Manchester. I also think it went a bit downhill after S1 and I lost the plot there too after missing a few episodes.

The cryptic unfolding of plot in BSC was clever sometimes, other times I found myself sitting there not so much bothered about what was going on but instead wondering when we were going to get to the conclusion of the previous cliffhanger scene - and in many ways I think this often distracted me from the prevailing linearity of the story arc. I guess we could be here all day debating that particular point but as far as I could see BCS was jumping back and forward so much I just kind of got lost a bit, and it was only until about season 4 I think we I finally worked out that the opening B&W scenes were not occuring in the time before BCS but in fact after BB! Because Jimmy was a nobody before he became a lawyer, and the opening scenes depicted him as a nobody with a shitty job, therefore.. I suspect this was done on purpose to trick the audience, or it was done in such a way that maybe only the more focused audience would work it out I don't know..

We can argue over the semantics of what art or "craft" is till the cows come home - but an aspect of artistic expression can often be to decieve the audience in some way - to confuse and inspire some new ways to look at things?

Anyway word on the street is Gilligan's next project is going to lean more back towards the paranormal again I'm hearing? I think some new direction is a good idea since I think he's milked the whole BB franchise enough for now - and some more paranormal TV would be welcome since True Blood finished some nearly ten years ago now - I know there has been paranormal stuff, vampires and that but I find a lot of it quite bland. I think he should team up with Alan Ball - we don't seem to be getting much from Mr Ball these days and I've been a fan of pretty up everything he's done so far, including his last series Here And Now which sadly didn't get commissioned for a second series - I don't know why because Ball is considered one of the most innovative producers these days - some of his last series did seem to challenge modern woke ideologies though so many he got cancelled by a rainbow coloured unicorn TV exec?
Troubles A Foot Posted - 08/10/2022 : 16:21:17
Should films and television, a visual medium, not have shots composed with care and attention to detail? Now I'm even more confused!

Fair point about how cryptic Saul is. The show's prime MO, which really only hit me recently, is to leave viewers totally in the dark for a good third of the entire episode, only to have Saul's (or Gus or Mike's) plan gradually reveal itself. I don't consider this "artsy" so much as crafty storytelling. Vince Gilligan has said he learned from Chris Carter on the X-Files to fashion stories in a way where "the audience NEEDS to know what will happen next."

I love it, but I could also imagine some may find it frustrating, especially when that trick has been deployed many times over and we're all kind of in on the tactic.
pot Posted - 08/10/2022 : 10:38:51
Yeah camera angles and that - attention to fine detail like composition. It can be both art and plot simultaneously. I consider the cryptic nature of the plot development also part of the art.
Troubles A Foot Posted - 08/10/2022 : 08:30:35
Originally posted by pot

How can you say this isn't more art than plot?

Because the show is basically all plot. Is this that me and you have different definitions of "art" or "arty"? I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. Vince Gilligan and co., for the most part, are storytellers and write extremely plot heavy television.

Are you just talking about like, camera angles? Because it's in black and white? That isn't exactly "arty", it's just a very clear, direct storytelling device, so the viewer is situated in the time period.

I seriously don't understand. The last few episodes have been plots. Stories. And every moment in every episode has been another step in those stories developing. There's been no artsy filler or what have you.

But again, perhaps I'm not getting your meaning.
pot Posted - 08/09/2022 : 13:22:47
I thought "the Kim scene" was a bit cringe - I'd have just cut that scene out or edited it heavily or just shot the scene different alogether
Bedbug Posted - 08/09/2022 : 06:50:07
Did they say the same thing about Sopranos? I didnít get that impression either.

But yes, I can appreciate the artistic beauty of Saul.
pot Posted - 08/09/2022 : 04:53:45
Oh come on, it's totally art house cinematography wank fest material, Maybe I'm just used to watching more trash TV than you guys?

Look! The Internets agrees with me

Bedbug Posted - 08/09/2022 : 04:11:24
It just seems like very round about storytelling, I donít know about ďartĒ though
pot Posted - 08/09/2022 : 03:34:09
How can you say this isn't more art than plot? Just caught the last episode - really enjoyed it and even though it jumps around like a frog in a tumble drier I still got the gist - he's a con man and a total scumbag. Copy that. Everything these guys do is like a cryptic puzzle - only reason I can think of that they chose to produce the show this way is for the art. BB was quite arty, or just well shot (to say it's art might be slightly hyperbole there). This isn't necessarily a negative critique either I do like good arthouse films with completely unfathomable plots - you can just forget about plot and focus on the individual scenes and gain a more in-depth insight into the characters etc. This is how I kind of see BCS; or what it sort of became in the last season anyway.
Troubles A Foot Posted - 08/06/2022 : 21:41:05
I don't see it being "an art movie" at all. It's very plot driven and the storytelling is generally clear and direct.
pot Posted - 08/04/2022 : 13:06:29
I mean it's arty - like an art movie but it's a TV series (with the same aspect ratio as a film) that's all - not saying there's anything wrong with that, just didn't understand a lot of the subtelties that were no doubt there in some scenes because it's a while since I watched many of the previous scenes they were refering to.

I also have an aversion to non-linear plot progression and flash back scenes in general. Kubrick had exactly the right idea there. I'm basically a linear plot development Nazi.
Troubles A Foot Posted - 08/04/2022 : 12:48:11
I agree that the cartel stuff feels like it should have been a totally separate show. I just see the show as a character study about Jimmy, and I love character studies. This latest episode was one of the harder hitting points about that character study, so I didn't find it all over the place. I found it be very laser focused in one place.

I sincerely don't know what you mean by "film art", genuinely. Not being argumentative, I just don't understand what you're saying.

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