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trobrianders Posted - 06/19/2013 : 03:04:59
TV shows and the like. Just started watching The Returned (Les Revenants), a French Twin Peaksy drama series about a bunch of coach crash victims who return from the dead to their Alpine town. Neither the victims nor the townsfolk know why this has happened. The drama is played completely straight, I think that's why it's so gripping. Two episodes in so far. Denis you been watching?

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pot Posted - 08/13/2022 : 12:41:20
Just watched Moonfall on Am Prime - pretty fun sci-fi disaster movie with a bit of an old skool feel to it and some edge of your seat jaw dropping CGI! It's a bit cheesy as you might expect but it's not too bad and manages to avoid ruining some scenes with ill-thought out anachronisms as they usually do with blockbusters. Get the popcorn out, crack open a bottle and put your feet up and enjoy a two hour thrill ride.
pot Posted - 08/13/2022 : 03:19:14
What did you think about True Blood then Troub? Or did you skip it altogether because it was Alan Ball maybe?

Seems a shame if you did because (in the first 4 seasons anyway) it was really great - so long as you don't take it too seriously it was kind of half comedy/tongue in cheek maybe and I found it immensely entertaining. Lot of folk are pining for it's return, and I'd love to see that too but it would have to be Alan Ball in charge or else it'll be wank.

We've also lost probably widely regarded as the most popular character - Lafayete played by Nelson Ellis so that kind of ruins a TB reboot as well. Gay characters who are also hard as fuck seem to be a recurring theme of Ball's TV I've noticed? I don't know if that's a reflection of the type of character he is himself in real life - with all the Kevin Spacey stuff going on as well I'm wondering how that is all reflecting on Alan Ball, not wishing to cast any aspersions.. Hollywood seems to be a magnet for predatory types in general.
pot Posted - 08/12/2022 : 15:09:56
There are literally thousands of possible explanations for whatever was going on at the start, hypothetically. I thought BCS was going to be more like a standalone episode series like Rake or something and next thing I'm getting this black and white scene showing a guy sitting on a chair next to a wheelie bin eating a sandwich for like 3 minutes or something?

Sorry you hated SFU so much but respect for at least watching the entire series maybe if involuntarily. The ending was shit - or just so what who cares. Did we get a spin-off series about Claire's life in New York after that? No - so what was so great about it? Nothing. But it doesn't really matter because it was the end of the series.

Name me a series that had a really great ending that was so good you actually didn't want it to go on any longer? I'll say Travelers for that - about the most perfect ending for a series I've ever seen I think - I think there should be an Emmy category for that and they should have won it that year. or also not because awards ceremonies are fake.

Also trying to get through The Sopranos - watched the first couple of eps at my Mum's on Sky but it's there and I can only get through so many eps when I'm there. It's 20 years old and you still got to pay for it so it must be good, huh?
Troubles A Foot Posted - 08/12/2022 : 14:51:43
Well, like I said, he's shown watching tapes of his old commercials at the very beginning of episode 1, season 1. There's not really any other conclusion one can come to with that.

I watched all of Six Feet Under and hated every minute of it. I can't even believe I watched the whole thing but, 1) I had heard it had an incredible ending (no it didn't), and 2) it was a time in my life that was kind of lonely and less busy, where I laid in bed and marathoned TV shows all the time. I think I got through it in a few months, just curious where it was all heading.

I hated the characters, I hated the writing, I hated the stories, I hated the tone, I hated everything about it. I could be more specific if it was closer to the time I watched it but so much of the show has left my memory. But at the time I would rant to people about all the things that bother me. Maybe I made an old post online somewhere...I do remember absolutely despising the first episode and taking a long break as I waffled on whether to keep going or not. I asked around and many of my coworkers said they love it, it gets better, the ending is amazing, etc.

After going through that I just made a mental note to never check out anything by Alan Ball ever again. The fact that Six Feet Under is often spoken of in the same breath as something like The Sopranos or The Wire is just shocking to me.

I also think American Beauty is pretty bad.
pot Posted - 08/12/2022 : 13:17:17
Now I'm thinking I might remember Jimmy saying something about that but I don't know if it's a false memory because you told me about it.

Interested to know what Alan Ball series didn't rub off on you and fermented your opinion? I'm guessing it must have been either Six Feet Under or True Blood. I personally found SFU quite refreshing at the time - rather than watching drama with people arguing or fighting each other all the time here was a show that just depicted people being kind to each other - and it was quite off beat at times and explored some deep questions about the nature of consciousness.

Then there's Banshee - don't know if you ever saw any of that. Maybe, because I think it was filmed around the north east of America somewhere where you are based Troub. That was full on violence, but it was all fist fights mostly - extremely fucked up over the top fist fights where if it was real either person involved would probably have died fairly early on into the battle(s). That part of it was kind of boring but on the other side it really did have some memorable characters and the plots got better in season 3 and 4.
pot Posted - 08/11/2022 : 09:38:58
Man how am I supposed to remember he said he was going to work for Cinnabun and make that connection on BCS with the same relative ease you appear to have? Of course, not being American I don't know what a Cinnabun is either - whether it's even a real pastry shop - so maybe that's why it went over my head.

And how can you not like Alan Ball TV that much?

Oh well, we can't all agree to like everything I suppose.
Troubles A Foot Posted - 08/11/2022 : 09:28:37
Originally posted by pot
I also think it went a bit downhill after S1

Nothing could be farther from the truth...

Oh god, I hate Alan Ball's work. I hope Gilligan stays far away from him.

Wow, it never occurred to me people wouldn't know the black and white scenes were the present day. I don't believe the show was being cagey or mysterious about it at all. Saul jokingly said in one of his last Breaking Bad appearances that he's going to go work at a Cinnabun somewhere when this is all over. Plus there's tons of visual cues that it's the present, iPhones, etc, etc throughout these.

The very first scene is him watching tapes of his old advertisements when he had the Saul law firm. The show was not being intentionally misleading there. That is clear storytelling.
pot Posted - 08/10/2022 : 23:12:23
I didn't know Vince Gilligan had been a (co-)producer on The X-Files - I kind of stopped watching that series after the first season really - mostly because I got distracted by the student nightlife of Manchester. I also think it went a bit downhill after S1 and I lost the plot there too after missing a few episodes.

The cryptic unfolding of plot in BSC was clever sometimes, other times I found myself sitting there not so much bothered about what was going on but instead wondering when we were going to get to the conclusion of the previous cliffhanger scene - and in many ways I think this often distracted me from the prevailing linearity of the story arc. I guess we could be here all day debating that particular point but as far as I could see BCS was jumping back and forward so much I just kind of got lost a bit, and it was only until about season 4 I think we I finally worked out that the opening B&W scenes were not occuring in the time before BCS but in fact after BB! Because Jimmy was a nobody before he became a lawyer, and the opening scenes depicted him as a nobody with a shitty job, therefore.. I suspect this was done on purpose to trick the audience, or it was done in such a way that maybe only the more focused audience would work it out I don't know..

We can argue over the semantics of what art or "craft" is till the cows come home - but an aspect of artistic expression can often be to decieve the audience in some way - to confuse and inspire some new ways to look at things?

Anyway word on the street is Gilligan's next project is going to lean more back towards the paranormal again I'm hearing? I think some new direction is a good idea since I think he's milked the whole BB franchise enough for now - and some more paranormal TV would be welcome since True Blood finished some nearly ten years ago now - I know there has been paranormal stuff, vampires and that but I find a lot of it quite bland. I think he should team up with Alan Ball - we don't seem to be getting much from Mr Ball these days and I've been a fan of pretty up everything he's done so far, including his last series Here And Now which sadly didn't get commissioned for a second series - I don't know why because Ball is considered one of the most innovative producers these days - some of his last series did seem to challenge modern woke ideologies though so many he got cancelled by a rainbow coloured unicorn TV exec?
Troubles A Foot Posted - 08/10/2022 : 16:21:17
Should films and television, a visual medium, not have shots composed with care and attention to detail? Now I'm even more confused!

Fair point about how cryptic Saul is. The show's prime MO, which really only hit me recently, is to leave viewers totally in the dark for a good third of the entire episode, only to have Saul's (or Gus or Mike's) plan gradually reveal itself. I don't consider this "artsy" so much as crafty storytelling. Vince Gilligan has said he learned from Chris Carter on the X-Files to fashion stories in a way where "the audience NEEDS to know what will happen next."

I love it, but I could also imagine some may find it frustrating, especially when that trick has been deployed many times over and we're all kind of in on the tactic.
pot Posted - 08/10/2022 : 10:38:51
Yeah camera angles and that - attention to fine detail like composition. It can be both art and plot simultaneously. I consider the cryptic nature of the plot development also part of the art.
Troubles A Foot Posted - 08/10/2022 : 08:30:35
Originally posted by pot

How can you say this isn't more art than plot?

Because the show is basically all plot. Is this that me and you have different definitions of "art" or "arty"? I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. Vince Gilligan and co., for the most part, are storytellers and write extremely plot heavy television.

Are you just talking about like, camera angles? Because it's in black and white? That isn't exactly "arty", it's just a very clear, direct storytelling device, so the viewer is situated in the time period.

I seriously don't understand. The last few episodes have been plots. Stories. And every moment in every episode has been another step in those stories developing. There's been no artsy filler or what have you.

But again, perhaps I'm not getting your meaning.
pot Posted - 08/09/2022 : 13:22:47
I thought "the Kim scene" was a bit cringe - I'd have just cut that scene out or edited it heavily or just shot the scene different alogether
Bedbug Posted - 08/09/2022 : 06:50:07
Did they say the same thing about Sopranos? I didnít get that impression either.

But yes, I can appreciate the artistic beauty of Saul.
pot Posted - 08/09/2022 : 04:53:45
Oh come on, it's totally art house cinematography wank fest material, Maybe I'm just used to watching more trash TV than you guys?

Look! The Internets agrees with me

Bedbug Posted - 08/09/2022 : 04:11:24
It just seems like very round about storytelling, I donít know about ďartĒ though
pot Posted - 08/09/2022 : 03:34:09
How can you say this isn't more art than plot? Just caught the last episode - really enjoyed it and even though it jumps around like a frog in a tumble drier I still got the gist - he's a con man and a total scumbag. Copy that. Everything these guys do is like a cryptic puzzle - only reason I can think of that they chose to produce the show this way is for the art. BB was quite arty, or just well shot (to say it's art might be slightly hyperbole there). This isn't necessarily a negative critique either I do like good arthouse films with completely unfathomable plots - you can just forget about plot and focus on the individual scenes and gain a more in-depth insight into the characters etc. This is how I kind of see BCS; or what it sort of became in the last season anyway.
Troubles A Foot Posted - 08/06/2022 : 21:41:05
I don't see it being "an art movie" at all. It's very plot driven and the storytelling is generally clear and direct.
pot Posted - 08/04/2022 : 13:06:29
I mean it's arty - like an art movie but it's a TV series (with the same aspect ratio as a film) that's all - not saying there's anything wrong with that, just didn't understand a lot of the subtelties that were no doubt there in some scenes because it's a while since I watched many of the previous scenes they were refering to.

I also have an aversion to non-linear plot progression and flash back scenes in general. Kubrick had exactly the right idea there. I'm basically a linear plot development Nazi.
Troubles A Foot Posted - 08/04/2022 : 12:48:11
I agree that the cartel stuff feels like it should have been a totally separate show. I just see the show as a character study about Jimmy, and I love character studies. This latest episode was one of the harder hitting points about that character study, so I didn't find it all over the place. I found it be very laser focused in one place.

I sincerely don't know what you mean by "film art", genuinely. Not being argumentative, I just don't understand what you're saying.
pot Posted - 08/04/2022 : 10:36:29
Originally posted by Troubles A Foot

Originally posted by pot

It was all over the place.

It wasn't though...It was making a point about Jimmy, and very focused on that point. All of the scenes were about that.

Nah seriously man, I was starting to wonder if I watching an episode of Quantum Leap or The Twilight Zone.

I'd already figured out that the character of JImmy was a bit of a twat?

I'm not saying I didn't like it but I've always felt watching this spin-off series: What's the point in it? What's it adding to the BB universe? What is it about lawyers or Mexican Cartels?

Just feels like a bit of a Breaking Bad wank-fest, not that I'm saying I don't appreciate that element but it just seems as a show it lacks it own identity a bit and it's just become film art.
Troubles A Foot Posted - 08/04/2022 : 10:09:30
Originally posted by pot

It was all over the place.

It wasn't though...It was making a point about Jimmy, and very focused on that point. All of the scenes were about that.
pot Posted - 08/04/2022 : 03:26:27
Aparently Better Call Saul are facing a lawsuit for trademark infringement from some organisation called Liberty Tax - for the show's fictional portrayal of the criminal business Sweet Liberty Tax Services in ep 2 of this season.

No doubt this is probably a ploy to raise the profile of their company and increase their customer base - which ironically is akin to some of the dirty tricks Jimmy McGill would use.
pot Posted - 08/04/2022 : 02:58:22
Yeah, we could do with another season about Jimmy's life post Breaking Bad.

I predict another spin-off series with Pinkman, Badger and Skinny Pete - at least that's what I'm hoping for.

(Mind you Pinkman's supposed to be in Alaska now - so not sure how this would work - it's TV though so anything is possible)
Bedbug Posted - 08/04/2022 : 02:30:22
I enjoyed that episode a lot. Sad that we are near the end.
pot Posted - 08/03/2022 : 23:39:11
It was all over the place. I like the black and white stuff though I think it deserves a whole season or series to itself. Other than that I have no idea what the plot is anymore or really care that much at this stage because there's only one more episode to go. I think Slippy Jim will die at the end, which is fine because he isn't really a very nice person it seems.
Troubles A Foot Posted - 08/03/2022 : 16:49:12
It was extremely good.
pot Posted - 08/02/2022 : 15:36:03
This weeks Better Call Saul episode is titled "Breaking Bad". Breaking Bad also had an episode (s2e8) called "Better Call Saul".
Bedbug Posted - 07/30/2022 : 11:51:16
Has anybody seen Lynch/Oz yet?
Troubles A Foot Posted - 07/26/2022 : 17:34:23
Oh so sorry...Thought you were watching the new season. I don't normally like to poopoo on a show someone's just watched.

Season 1 is really good, yes...
Bedbug Posted - 07/26/2022 : 01:17:58
Havenít made it that far yet
Troubles A Foot Posted - 07/25/2022 : 21:45:52
Stopped watching Westworld about four or five episodes into season 2...
Bedbug Posted - 07/25/2022 : 12:27:04
They HBO redoing of Westworld is terrific.
Troubles A Foot Posted - 07/23/2022 : 20:49:58
Saw Nope. Very disappointing. My fiance loved it though.
Troubles A Foot Posted - 07/23/2022 : 16:21:34
That actually makes me want to watch it. Wow!!

The second episode of The Rehearsal is incredible. My goodness.
Bedbug Posted - 07/23/2022 : 15:31:49
Yes indeed the owl is a big, big deal in The Staircase. We were picking our jaws up off the floor the first time it makes an appearance. Loved it. Second best owl-related TV show I would guess. I can say more if you want, but yes, short answer, lots of owl in the HBO series of The Staircase.

That's so funny about the Rehearsal. We can't wait for the second episode. It would be great to see you on an episode Trouble!

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