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Troubles A Foot
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Posted - 06/17/2019 :  17:37:06  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
well DUH it is
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Posted - 06/18/2019 :  09:44:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is it Lynch's best film?
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Troubles A Foot
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Posted - 06/18/2019 :  15:05:56  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hm, I'd say no for various small reasons (the shot on video but not in a fucked up way like Inland Empire, some of the bands featured that I did not like, etc.), but it's still a magnum opus of a work for the guy.

I'm always torn between Mulholland and Fire Walk With Me.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 06/19/2019 :  04:58:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As I would expect from Lynch, Iím not even able to rank his films. For years Iíve thought MD was his best, but after TP3 Iím not so sure.

I love them all but some are harder to get through than others.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 08/31/2019 :  03:29:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is anyone getting the new limited edition box set, Twin Peaks from Z to A? It looks amazing, but as it will be produced in short supply I don't suppose I'll even try getting one. There are too many rabid TP fans to compete with, and I'm assuming others will just buy it to resell at an inflated rate.
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Troubles A Foot
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Posted - 09/01/2019 :  11:39:58  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I had planned to kind of reluctantly get it. I wish we had more info on what the 6 hours of new bonus features are. I'm a Twin Peaks completist and it would drive me nuts to be missing out on stuff. Though it's beyond frustrating after how much money I spent for Gold Box, Entire Mystery, and Season 3.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 09/02/2019 :  11:09:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good luck TAF, I hope you get it! I have nothing but respect for completists like yourself. I have the three sets you mentioned, and I would have picked up this one too, but the limited edition nature of it makes me want to leave it for the diehards like yourself.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 09/02/2019 :  11:14:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh also, is anyone getting that book "Television Rewired: the Rise of the Auteur Series" ? Looks really good. Written by Martha P. Nochimson
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Posted - 09/16/2019 :  12:32:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot

I had planned to kind of reluctantly get it. I wish we had more info on what the 6 hours of new bonus features are. I'm a Twin Peaks completist and it would drive me nuts to be missing out on stuff. Though it's beyond frustrating after how much money I spent for Gold Box, Entire Mystery, and Season 3.



Let us know when you get it. Curious to hear about it.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 09/26/2019 :  16:22:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lynch fans have you seen this?

Unreal

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aTrTtzTQrv0
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Bedbug
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Posted - 09/30/2019 :  13:19:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Iím about half way through Twelve Rainbow Trout: A Twin Peaks Fan Theory

Wow. Itís amazing what people can do. Definitely worth watching.

Also, just saw the news headline that Showtime wants a fourth season. Do you?
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Troubles A Foot
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Posted - 09/30/2019 :  14:22:50  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I didn't see that headline, which is odd as I check Twin Peaks reddit and news sites literally every single day.

I'm not clear on why its news as Showtime said during the airing of season 3 that they'd happily take a season 4, but that's very different than Lynch or Frost making one, as season three took years to write.

I would want anything made by David Lynch. I'm particularly obsessed with Twin Peaks so yes.

Edited by - Troubles A Foot on 09/30/2019 14:33:34
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Bedbug
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Posted - 09/30/2019 :  14:41:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiQWh0dHBzOi8vd2Vnb3R0aGlzY292ZXJlZC5jb20vdHYvc2hvd3RpbWUtYnJpbmctdHdpbi1wZWFrcy1zZWFzb24v0gFFaHR0cHM6Ly93ZWdvdHRoaXNjb3ZlcmVkLmNvbS90di9zaG93dGltZS1icmluZy10d2luLXBlYWtzLXNlYXNvbi9hbXAv?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
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Troubles A Foot
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Posted - 09/30/2019 :  15:09:03  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sure, but if you read that there's not actually any information or content in the article. We've already known Showtime was hoping for more Twin Peaks. There's just no actual news there. It's kind of a confusing piece actually.

Maybe more interesting is that Michael Horse posted a pic of Hawk shushing Andy on his instagram today, but he could just be messing with people.

More conspiracy is that the Salish Lodge (Great Northern) was closed for two days mysteriously this month. But usually the Great Northern stuff is a set and almost never actually filmed inside there.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 09/30/2019 :  17:11:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If anyone could deliver, it's Lynch. But man, TP3 was perfect, not sure how he could follow it up. Maybe he'll take it in directions we couldn't imagine.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 10/01/2019 :  07:09:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It really does sound like itís happening again again.

https://moviehole.net/twin-peaks-season-4-about-to-be-announced/
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Troubles A Foot
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Posted - 10/01/2019 :  10:44:52  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Still not buying it. That's just an article copying the other vague articles that have no actual information...It's probably some promotional thing for the box set or something, maybe they shot a fun extra feature.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 10/01/2019 :  11:03:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I admire your critical thinking. I for one am not really clamoring for a 4th season anyway. But more Lynch is always welcome, so bring it on.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 11/25/2019 :  11:46:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm only halfway through this but it's really good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AYnF5hOhuM
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Troubles A Foot
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Posted - 11/28/2019 :  06:18:25  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I thought it was dumb and annoying!
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Bedbug
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Posted - 11/29/2019 :  06:45:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I love all the different theories, and this guy but a lot of effort into his, and he makes a good case.

I'm not saying he's right, or that I think he's right. But you gotta respect fans that put in this kind of time and energy.

He definitely gave me some things to think about.

I watched another one recently where the speaker made the case that Audrey was the main character for the entire TP experience. That had some good points too, but I don't agree.

Saw another one that made a very big deal of the different cars used at different times in the show. I thought that was so far fetched until I saw the one I linked to above.

In any case, I hope people make more and more of these. The fact that someone can put together a 4.5 hour theory on a TV show illustrates the brilliance of the show.
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Troubles A Foot
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Posted - 12/01/2019 :  18:41:14  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I mean, I don't really respect him because I hated the video. I guess there's a lot of man hours put into it, and sure I respect that as a basic concept, but it's man hours put into something I think is fundamentally hurtful to the life of the show and also just ridiculous, arrogant, and overwrought. The more I think of the video the more I find to dislike about it.

I'll quote from a post on the twin peaks reddit that nailed my feelings on it, made by somebody else, though I did suspect he was paraphrasing some posts I had made on the subject a few days prior. Anyway:


quote:
In short, I find the warm reception to Twin Perfect's four and a half hour long explanation video rather depressing.

It's a didactic and silly theory. Yes, there is a strain of meta-commentary throughout Twin Peaks, but to view it entirely as a piece of media criticism is such a banal take. This isn't quite as terrible as the Twelve Rainbow Trout video, but it's perhaps even more irritating.

David Lynch does not hate modern TV. Yes, he has criticized aspects of it over the years, but he has also praised Mad Men, Breaking Bad and True Detective, and frequently calls cable television the "new art house". Aside from this, he says he does not watch much TV, so the idea that he undertake such a mammoth project just to critique the medium in such a shallow way seems suspect. For all the apparent research on display, the theory totally ignores context when it isn't helpful to the case. Twin Perfect casually incorporates episodes which weren't written or directed by Lynch into his argument, and he doesn't even speculate as to Mark Frost's creative intentions - this is despite the fact that Frost was effectively captain of the ship throughout season 1 and especially 2. Is it really plausible that throughout this period Lynch kept on sticking his head through the door, insisting that everything be kept on track to fulfil some clumsy, overstretched metaphor he apparently had in mind?

The idea that everything in the show must be filtered through a single governing idea is also flawed. If you look at a work of art and consider what it seems to be evoking, the ways in which it resonates, you can have an interesting and substantial discussion. When you settle on a "theory" and watch every scene thinking about how to crowbar your predetermined interpretation into it then you're just succumbing to confirmation bias and fundamentally misunderstanding art. By the time the video gets into discussing Ed and Norma it's so far gone into cloud-cuckoo land I'm not sure how anyone can take it seriously. It can't just be that Lynch and Frost are communicating something about art and commerce through the story of the Double R franchising, everything has to be a one to one metaphor. Ed must be Lynch, Norma must be Twin Peaks etc. It's the most simplistic possible understanding of symbolism, and it does a disservice to a thematically rich piece of work.

Every time this guy approaches a valid idea he ruins it by squeezing it into his argument. There are cycles of violence which we are all to keen to leave unexamined.... in TV storytelling. The fantasy of retaining one's youth and naive perspective is unsustainable... if you are a character from a cancelled TV show. There are forces of positivity and negativity which can be thrown out of balance... in poorly handled TV plotlines. Why be so reductive about ideas which are far more pertinent and powerful when applied to life and spirituality?

I would argue that the more self-referential moments of Twin Peaks actually operate in the opposite way to the one the video suggests. Lynch and Frost use our relationship with the show as a way of getting us to think about the passage of time, and the way in which people change or choose not to. Yes, James miming to a 25 year old recording of 'Just You' is a brazenly meta moment, but the effect of seeing a character we recognize from long ago, now grayer but still beset by hopeless infatuations and literally performing the same song is far more potent than Twin Perfect's interpretation could ever allow. Audrey's Dance and the withholding of Cooper operate in a similar way. We have a preexisting relationship to Twin Peaks and its characters, and the revival exploits that fact masterfully as a means of communicating how we relate to earlier moments of our lives.

In addition to all this, the guy's tone is so condescending and self-important. I particularly dislike the built-in defense that anyone who dislikes his video is just upset about how it destroys the show's sense of mystery, that he's just too damn correct about everything. But the truth is that he's not the first person to view aspects of the show in this way at all, he is just the first to ignore all other aspects of the show and turn a meditation on violence, trauma and consciousness into some nebulous diatribe about bad TV. The fact he keeps going with his Lynch impression despite how self evidently fucking terrible it is serves as the ultimate testament to his utterly unearned confidence.

I have since found out that Twin Perfect has a history of this kind of narcissism, having made a bunch of equally "definitive" videos about the Silent Hill series and lashed out at any criticism. For anyone looking for genuinely insightful and relatively humble Twin Peaks commentary I would recommend Corn Pone Flicks, Lost in the Movies, and the podcast Diane.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 12/04/2019 :  10:00:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I hear you. Good points.

I still learned a lot from the 4.5 video, again, not saying I agreed with his overall point, but some of the parallels he draws are uncanny and I hadn't heard them all before.

But of course I agree that it seems kind of lame to say that TP is David Lynch lecturing us about consumable tv violence. But who knows.
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Troubles A Foot
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Posted - 12/07/2019 :  20:51:34  Show Profile  Visit Troubles A Foot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The one part I liked a lot from the video was the mention of the puddle outside the Roadhouse being such a similar concept to the puddle of black oil in the entrance to the Black Lodge(?), which was a cool visual motif I never caught before.

But whenever he points out a cool thing in that video he kind of ruins by going "and then it's about TV!!!"
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Bedbug
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Posted - 12/12/2019 :  04:32:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Twin Peaks Season 3 has been named the best film of the decade

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/12/twin-peaks-the-return-cahiers-du-cinema-best-film-decade-1202194901/amp/
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