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moonruler
- FB Fan -

USA
165 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2019 :  06:40:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Surfer Rosa. Hoping TOTY makes it through...gonna be a dog fight!

Both great albums, of course.

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johnnyribcage
= Cult of Ray =

USA
986 Posts

Posted - 05/18/2019 :  01:20:48  Show Profile  Visit johnnyribcage's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well, this is just silly at this point. Pretty sure I know what my number one will be - the hill to die on so to speak. But besides that I can’t apply any criteria to what’s left other than to just think through the list and start picking them off in order of how frequently I put them on, least to most. So going by that measure, Surfer Rosa is probably first to go for me.


I had a bad reaction to your public hobby writings.

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Bedbug
* Dog in the Sand *

1674 Posts

Posted - 05/19/2019 :  03:41:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
At this point I have to squint my eyes and look for any imperfections within the gemstones.

Plus, for all of these they've have 25+ years to become part of our fabric (including COP of course), so it really is like putting your dog to sleep.
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Brank_Flack
= Cult of Ray =

Canada
609 Posts

Posted - 05/20/2019 :  12:08:49  Show Profile  Click to see Brank_Flack's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Trompe
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <

United Kingdom
2561 Posts

Posted - 05/20/2019 :  15:18:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Unvoting FB&C's

Can I still do that?

Fuck it. Done.
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Bedbug
* Dog in the Sand *

1674 Posts

Posted - 05/20/2019 :  23:33:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As others have implied, the metric that works at this point is which album do I listen to the least, which for me is pretty even between Surfer and Doolittle. Voting Surfer Rosa.

Update:

Surfer Rosa - 4

Teenager of the Year - 3

Trompe Le Monde - 1
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =

France
665 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2019 :  05:41:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm not at all applying the "which album do I listen to the least" metric
I rank them by intrinsic value to my heart, not by usage

voting TOTY

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"Fucking up my devotion!"
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <

United Kingdom
2927 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2019 :  05:45:22  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pixiestu

Unvoting FB&C's

Can I still do that?

Fuck it. Done.



You stealin my mojo man...
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =

France
665 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2019 :  06:15:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug

quote:
Originally posted by sdon

quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug

quote:
Originally posted by sdon

Trompe already has one vote on the first day of voting
As it is my sacred album, I sure want to avoid any harm






I'm with you on Trompe.

What I don't get is choosing to keep COP over TOTY as you try to save Trompe.

But it's a free forum, and the game's rationality is debatable at this point.

Update:

TOTY - 3

COP - 2

Trompe - 1





At the time of voting, TOTY was leading with 2 votes. To optimize Trompe's chances, I merely voted for the favorite to win this round. Nothing irrational here, Survivor tactics.






Following this, I am assuming since COP is now leading you will change your vote from TOTY to COP? Just curious really.



Of course not, I wanted to save Trompe, not TOTY

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"Aristophanes! (gong sounds)"
"Fucking up my devotion!"
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Bedbug
* Dog in the Sand *

1674 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2019 :  07:51:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sdon

I'm not at all applying the "which album do I listen to the least" metric
I rank them by intrinsic value to my heart, not by usage

voting TOTY

--
"Aristophanes! (gong sounds)"
"Fucking up my devotion!"




Apparently there are those who would say that two different albums can have equal intrinsic value to one's heart. Hence the usage metric.
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Bedbug
* Dog in the Sand *

1674 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2019 :  07:51:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sdon

quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug

quote:
Originally posted by sdon

quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug

quote:
Originally posted by sdon

Trompe already has one vote on the first day of voting
As it is my sacred album, I sure want to avoid any harm






I'm with you on Trompe.

What I don't get is choosing to keep COP over TOTY as you try to save Trompe.

But it's a free forum, and the game's rationality is debatable at this point.

Update:

TOTY - 3

COP - 2

Trompe - 1





At the time of voting, TOTY was leading with 2 votes. To optimize Trompe's chances, I merely voted for the favorite to win this round. Nothing irrational here, Survivor tactics.






Following this, I am assuming since COP is now leading you will change your vote from TOTY to COP? Just curious really.



Of course not, I wanted to save Trompe, not TOTY

--
"Aristophanes! (gong sounds)"
"Fucking up my devotion!"




Believe me, I want to save Le Monde.
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johnnyribcage
= Cult of Ray =

USA
986 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2019 :  10:53:21  Show Profile  Visit johnnyribcage's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'm pretty sure there is only one way this little game is going to end...




I had a bad reaction to your public hobby writings.
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Fitzy
- FB Fan -

Portugal
65 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2019 :  10:56:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Surfer Rosa is my favorite album by any band.

So, I guess I'm voting for TOTY.

And not a single Doolittle vote, as of yet, which is a little disheartening?
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Bedbug
* Dog in the Sand *

1674 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2019 :  11:46:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I could’ve easily voted for Doolittle before FB Self Titled. Going with Surfer Rosa this time just because there was already a mob moving in that direction.

Has anyone already lost their #1 favorite album at this point?
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The Maharal
= Cult of Ray =

781 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2019 :  09:01:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'll go with Surfer even though TOTY has two or three lesser tracks I don't care for. Both amazing albums but one has to go.
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <

United Kingdom
2927 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2019 :  12:29:30  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Fuckit. TOTY is my vote every week until the end now. There.
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Neptune
- FB Fan -

USA
92 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2019 :  14:38:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not prepared to vote any of these off yet

I abstain
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Neptune
- FB Fan -

USA
92 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2019 :  17:24:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think the vote is tied, and ties are bad, so I vote for Surfer Rosa. Not as a "save TOTY" vote, more a symbolic "save solo Frank" vote

Long Live Solo Frank!



[hope I'm not inadvertently creating a tie!]
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stuczuba
= Cult of Ray =

304 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2019 :  22:02:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
TOTY

As a protest vote for cop (I may abstain from now on - too much stress!)
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Active Duck
~ Abstract Brain ~

United Kingdom
380 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2019 :  22:31:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Surfer Rosa
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Stevio10
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
802 Posts

Posted - 05/23/2019 :  22:40:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Neptune

I think the vote is tied, and ties are bad, so I vote for Surfer Rosa. Not as a "save TOTY" vote, more a symbolic "save solo Frank" vote

Long Live Solo Frank!



[hope I'm not inadvertently creating a tie!]



I'm on board with the 'save solo Frank' gesture, voting Surfer Rosa.
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Bedbug
* Dog in the Sand *

1674 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2019 :  00:37:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Man, if you take the time to tally the votes you'll see how back and forth it was between Surfer and TOTY.

But the last two voters sealed the deal (haha) for Surfer, and she leaves us with a score of 9 to 7. It feels kind of like throwing away the Mona Lisa or something.

Week 26 starts now:

Gone

Paley and Francis
Let the People Speak
Sunday Sunny Mill Valley Groove Day
Snake Oil
Petit Fours
One More Road for the Hit
Abbabubba
Oddballs
NSE
Indie Cindy
Honeycomb
Christmass
Cult of Ray
B-Sides
Head Carrier
FMRM
Pistolero*
SVN Fingers*
Devil's Workshop
Golem
Frank Black and the Catholics Self Titled*
Black Letter Days*
Show Me Your Tears
Dog in the Sand*
Bluefinger*
Frank Black Self-Titled
Come on Pilgrim
Surfer Rosa

Still surviving:

Doolittle
Bossanova
Trompe Le Monde
TOTY
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Bedbug
* Dog in the Sand *

1674 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2019 :  03:52:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'll vote early this round and just say that of the final four, for me the choice is obvious.

What more can be said about Doolittle? It is clearly one of the greatest albums ever produced in the history of music. We could all write articles about what this album is and what it means to us.

I'm voting against it because I like the other three albums better. It's not that I've got something against Doolittle (little tardy Surfer pun there). I've come to like the other three albums better. I'm sure the me in 1990 did not think such a thing was possible, but here we are.

Doolittle - 1
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Sprite
= Cult of Ray =

868 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2019 :  04:41:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hmmmmm not sure what I am going to go for this time...
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <

United Kingdom
2927 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2019 :  08:34:09  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I think we should seriously allow voting back of 1.0 albums at this stage. Let's really fucks things up.
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stuczuba
= Cult of Ray =

304 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2019 :  09:22:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The results have gone weird hivemind now we're down to a handful - should be voting to save and the least popular should go.
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johnnyribcage
= Cult of Ray =

USA
986 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2019 :  09:42:38  Show Profile  Visit johnnyribcage's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well. No easier this week. Like I said last week - kind of silly at this point. I know TOTY and Doolittle are tied for 1st for me. Doolittle being my intro to the Pixies, and TOTY being what it is. I don't know which to fight for but I suspect I won't have to. TOTY probably isn't going to make it to the final 2 anyway.

I love Bossanova and Trompe equally for different reasons. I guess I'll go with Bossanova though due to it having less variation and kind of the whiplash effect of the tracks on the other 3. Which is a trademark of early FBF and something I feel like trying to preserve as we come down to brass tacks. I know Surfer had that too, but my thought last week was to go by frequency of play. I've changed my approach.

Bossanova.


I had a bad reaction to your public hobby writings.
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Brank_Flack
= Cult of Ray =

Canada
609 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2019 :  13:18:41  Show Profile  Click to see Brank_Flack's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Trompe

I would like to be contrarian and vote Doolittle - but fuck, it's a perfect record and, sorry to be cliche, it may very well have changed my life. I remember listening to it so much in Grade 9 when I first discovered it that I couldn't wait for school to end so that I could listen to it again.
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <

United Kingdom
2927 Posts

Posted - 05/24/2019 :  22:04:31  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I hope I can have a pop at making the difficult choice between at least two Pixies 1.0 albums before the end of this, otherwise this is no fun anymore booooooo...

As much as I like TOTY it just can't possible measure up against the first five. These are classic "all killer, no filler" albums, whereas TOTY has filler (I think).

The "it's not a proper solo Frank Black album" is just not a valid argument.

Edited by - pot on 05/24/2019 22:09:31
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johnnyribcage
= Cult of Ray =

USA
986 Posts

Posted - 05/25/2019 :  02:53:13  Show Profile  Visit johnnyribcage's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pot


As much as I like TOTY it just can't possible measure up against the first five. These are classic "all killer, no filler" albums, whereas TOTY has filler (I think).




We all have our opinions, and mine is that TOTY is every bit the unimpeachable masterpiece that the 1.0 albums are. It’s a wildly creative burst of manic pop rock that just knocks my socks off every time I put it on.


I had a bad reaction to your public hobby writings.
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =

France
665 Posts

Posted - 05/25/2019 :  05:50:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Voting TOTY

Can't stand Workman, drums sound like shit, FB was becoming fat, bald and pretentious, soap opera pop style. Playful but vain. No message.

This was the purgatory era, redemption came much later (Honeycomb/Christmass were the first signs that the the creative juices were back)

I'm not saying Pixies are vastly superior to FB's other work. But the remaining Doolittle, Bossanova and Trompe are, fuck the cliché, seminal and genre-defining.
TOTY didn't define anything. It was fun, better than Self-titled, but no one would have been interested in it if not for Charles' past in the Pixies



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"Fucking up my devotion!"
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johnnyribcage
= Cult of Ray =

USA
986 Posts

Posted - 05/25/2019 :  09:35:48  Show Profile  Visit johnnyribcage's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sdon

Voting TOTY

Can't stand Workman, drums sound like shit, FB was becoming fat, bald and pretentious, soap opera pop style. Playful but vain. No message.

This was the purgatory era, redemption came much later (Honeycomb/Christmass were the first signs that the the creative juices were back)

I'm not saying Pixies are vastly superior to FB's other work. But the remaining Doolittle, Bossanova and Trompe are, fuck the cliché, seminal and genre-defining.
TOTY didn't define anything. It was fun, better than Self-titled, but no one would have been interested in it if not for Charles' past in the Pixies



--
"Aristophanes! (gong sounds)"
"Fucking up my devotion!"




Damn! That’s an intense take. I’m not following the “no message” thing though. What is Doolittle’s message? What’s the message of Surfer Rosa?


I had a bad reaction to your public hobby writings.
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Stevio10
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
802 Posts

Posted - 05/25/2019 :  09:38:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Though I disagree sdon I respect your opinion, tbh all Pixies / FB fans are pretty headstrong where I doubt opinions are swayed by others easily if at all.

Anyway, rather than defend TOTY here's an article by the Quietus revisiting it, it says more than I ever could.

https://thequietus.com/articles/15464-frank-black-teenager-of-the-year-review
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Bedbug
* Dog in the Sand *

1674 Posts

Posted - 05/25/2019 :  10:37:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Update:

Doolittle - 1

Bossanova - 1

TOTY - 2 (This is if in fact pot voted for TOTY, I couldn't tell for sure. I also couldn't tell what sdon's feelings were either.)

Re: sdon's last post: I think it's amazing about our man that he can produce an album in 1992 that sdon considers to be the holy grail, and then produce two albums in 1993 and 1994 that sdon considers to be purgatory. Catholicism indeed.
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <

United Kingdom
2927 Posts

Posted - 05/25/2019 :  10:51:49  Show Profile  Visit pot's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yeah I'm voting for TOTY
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