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Arm Arm Arm
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Posted - 02/07/2014 :  19:09:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Years ago I read of a FB & C's show that started with Frank solo, then he was slowly joined by the rest of the band except Dave Lovering sat in on drums for a few songs, before Scott came out. I think this may have been in 01 or 02, I don't know.

I think a recording of this exists but I've never heard it.

Does anyone have it and if so, could they post it?

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shineoftheever
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Posted - 02/07/2014 :  19:15:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yes it was around that time - and i think it may have happened a few times. i think for a couple tours Dave was opening act as a scientific phenomenalist...

sorry, don't have a recording

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simibaby
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Posted - 02/07/2014 :  19:55:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah Iremember seeing FB & the C's in -01 where he was the opening act as a magician. And I def saw him sit in but it's all eayt memories, no recording. I wish!
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simibaby
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Posted - 02/07/2014 :  19:56:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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matto
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Posted - 02/08/2014 :  04:24:28  Show Profile  Visit matto's Homepage  Reply with Quote
(finally i can say it!)

I was there.

I did not record it.


found my overzealous drunk review:
http://forum.frankblack.net/pop_printer_friendly.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=351

FRANK BLACK AND THE CATHOLICS
THE COACH HOUSE, SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO, CALIFORNIA
JULY 19, 2002

The Coach House is a 500-person room stuffed with picnic tables, sandwiched between car dealerships along the Southern California coast. This show was almost to capacity. The 1st opening act was so awful; they’re not worth mentioning. David Lovering (who had been opening for the Breeders in L.A.) followed with his scientific experimentalism show. Frank came onto play an acoustic set, then brought out the Catholics, one by one. He was in a great mood, in great form, very chatty and happy. Among many and chatty stories, he mentioned that he and Dave Phillips played an industry gig in Denver, where they saw the White Stripes play. Frank was very impressed and bought all their cds. Frank introduced Eric Drew Feldman as “Eric Drewfeldman”, whom he met while in “that band that opened for U2”. Frank said that his and Daves’ wives appear in a low-budget film, “The Low-Budget Time Machine” - with Frank and Dave also as zombies (somehow I doubt this) (although Frank is in a new documentary about They Might Be Giants called “Gigantic: A Story of Two Johns”). Also, Frank’s wife calls him “Superchooch”. AND, Frank Black and the Catholics start recording again August 1st. The Catholics’ drummer called in sick... which led the audience to begin screaming for David Lovering to come on and drum... to which Frank played along beautifully, and brought him out for the rest of the set - STUNNING. To the utter disbelief and delight of a packed house, 2 ex-Pixies played Pixies - great PR timing for the newly released “Pixies” demos cd - better PR for Frank and his legacy. It’s been a LONG time since I was so significantly thrilled with a rock show - everyone played brilliantly - and the addition of Lovering doubled the effect - standing ovations, screaming, cameras going off (yes both).

Frank solo:
1. Western Star
2. Crackity Jones
3. Brackish Boy
4. Jane the Queen of Love
5. Cold Heart of Stone
6. Wave of Mutilation
7. All My Ghosts (the crowd sung back-up vox)
8. If It Takes All Night
with Dave Phillips:
9. Robert Onion
10. Bartholemew
11. End of Miles
add Eric Drew Feldman
12. South Bound Bevy
13. Calistan
add Dave McCafferty
14. The Swimmer
add David Lovering
15. Llano Del Rio
16. Bullet
17. Whiskey In Your Shoes
18. Dog In the Sand
19. Velvety (Lovering begins to rock out)
20. Cactus
21. Nimrod’s Son
22. Holiday Song
23. Mr. Grieves
24. Gouge Away
25. Where Is My Mind? (sing-along)
encore:
26. Dancing the Manta Ray

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baby poop, curry

[incidentally, the only other time I saw Dave drum during those years was for a few songs with a cover band No 13 Baby, I think it was at Spaceland, he opened with his magic show then came on later to guest drum, it was pretty great and the band were just floored]

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Arm Arm Arm
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Posted - 02/08/2014 :  05:17:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the responses, everyone. Nice review Matto, must've been great to have seen. Yes, this is the concert I had read about. Maybe I'm mis-remembering but this guy had a website with a HUGE list of Frank Black live recordings and this show was one of them; maybe somewhere out there is a recording of this.
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matto
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Posted - 02/08/2014 :  07:03:01  Show Profile  Visit matto's Homepage  Reply with Quote
it may have been martin's old site, for the life of me I can't remember what it was called.
there's also this guy:
http://defgav.com/trade/setlistspixfb.html


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Sprite
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Posted - 02/08/2014 :  11:09:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
9 is quite a lot of Pixies songs for a Catholics concert, with hindsight you could see a tipping point was approaching. Sure would love to hear 9 Catholics songs at a Pixies concert. Highly unlikely prospect though.
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Arm Arm Arm
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Posted - 02/08/2014 :  14:20:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by matto

it may have been martin's old site, for the life of me I can't remember what it was called.
there's also this guy:
http://defgav.com/trade/setlistspixfb.html


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baby poop, curry



That's the guy, thanks. He's got an incredible library of live Frank.
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Arm Arm Arm
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Posted - 02/08/2014 :  14:24:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sprite

9 is quite a lot of Pixies songs for a Catholics concert, with hindsight you could see a tipping point was approaching. Sure would love to hear 9 Catholics songs at a Pixies concert. Highly unlikely prospect though.



That would be amazing. I still say they should perform Bullet and let Joey take an extended lead or "lead" where Rich would, after the "minor chord" line.

But there's so many Pixies songs that have yet to be played (Theme from Narc, Velvety, the Happening, Trompe Le Monde, Lovely Day, etc.) it seems incredibly doubtful. Frank even answered this question on here somewhere about not doing this.

It would still be amazing though. Any of his solo stuff...why not Brackish Boy, it was recorded by the Pixies.

I really loved how the Catholics performed Pixies songs, I prefer some of their performances over the Pixies.

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benji
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Posted - 02/08/2014 :  20:09:04  Show Profile  Visit benji's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arm Arm Arm

quote:
Originally posted by matto

it may have been martin's old site, for the life of me I can't remember what it was called.
there's also this guy:
http://defgav.com/trade/setlistspixfb.html


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baby poop, curry



That's the guy, thanks. He's got an incredible library of live Frank.



I got a fair chunk of that collection and I don't think this gig is in there. it's not listed on his site and I haven't spotted it amongst the discs....
maybe it'll have to live on in legend only....



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Bohemoth
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Posted - 02/09/2014 :  02:54:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have this boot somewhere
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pixie punk
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Posted - 02/09/2014 :  11:12:03  Show Profile  Visit pixie punk's Homepage  Reply with Quote
http://www.gigposters.com/comments/10351_Frank_Black_And_The_Catholics.html

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benji
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Posted - 02/09/2014 :  20:17:12  Show Profile  Visit benji's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I do have this one, but not very good sound:
Brick By Brick, San Diego, CA, July 21, 2002 - 74m cdr
1. crackity jones
2. brackish boy
3. cactus
4. nimrod's son
5. gouge away
6. hermaphroditos
7. dog in the sand
8. headache
9. whiskey in your shoes
10. velvety
11. all my ghosts
12. calistan
13. dog gone
14. end of miles
15. 21 reasons
16. bullet
17. mr. grieves
18. cold heart of stone
Notes- My Master. the 4th FB show i taped. i suppose it came out as good as the others, quality-wise.. with no major problems to mention.
Band lineup: ok, hope this isn't too confusing: first song, frank solo. then Dave Lovering joins for Brackish. rest of the band, sans Scott, join during Cactus. then for Gouge, Scott replaces Lovering. Calistan is just Eric Drew Fledman's organ with Frank singing. Dog Gone is Frank solo. Dave P comes out and slides around on End of Miles. The rest of the band joins again during 21 Reasons. Short show because Scott was ill, apparently.

and I do have a few of the higher ground, winooski gigs, so will have a look. definitely got that one from gigposters.com but will have to give it a listen to see if there's any Dave playing.



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Mickey
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Posted - 02/12/2014 :  10:17:45  Show Profile  Visit Mickey's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I seem to remember sometime around the end of the Catholics era but before the Pixies reunion was announced there was a one off show that was Frank, Dave Lovering on drums, Tommy Stinson on bass, Dave Philips on guitar and I think Feldman on piano (I also want to say Joey was involved in some capacity, but I think if Dave and Joey had played with Frank it would be an oft mentioned event. Must be just my dreams). I always really wanted to hear that. My friends and I used to jokingly refer to that lineup as "the New Catholics", disappointing they didn't do more.

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pixie punk
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Posted - 02/12/2014 :  10:48:45  Show Profile  Visit pixie punk's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mickey

I seem to remember sometime around the end of the Catholics era but before the Pixies reunion was announced there was a one off show that was Frank, Dave Lovering on drums, Tommy Stinson on bass, Dave Philips on guitar and I think Feldman on piano (I also want to say Joey was involved in some capacity, but I think if Dave and Joey had played with Frank it would be an oft mentioned event. Must be just my dreams). I always really wanted to hear that. My friends and I used to jokingly refer to that lineup as "the New Catholics", disappointing they didn't do more.

-Mickey

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2004/08/tommy-stinson.html

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Arm Arm Arm
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Posted - 02/13/2014 :  11:26:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Benji,

That is the show I was thinking of.

I was checking out that guy's site; do you have any of these Catholics shows:

May 2, 2001 - Lawrence, KS, Bottleneck

The W.O.W. Hall, Eugene, OR, 16 May 2001

5/14/02---Petaluma, CA

5/23/02---Portland Berbati's Pan

12/4/02---Little Rock, sounds interesting, just the Catholics as a trio.

Even a chunk of those recordings sounds (no pun intended) like an amazing collection to have.

cheers

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Arm Arm Arm
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Posted - 02/13/2014 :  11:29:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arm Arm Arm

Benji,

Thanks for the responses, that is the show I was thinking of.

I was checking out that guy's site; do you have any of these Catholics shows:

May 2, 2001 - Lawrence, KS, Bottleneck

The W.O.W. Hall, Eugene, OR, 16 May 2001

5/14/02---Petaluma, CA

5/23/02---Portland Berbati's Pan

12/4/02---Little Rock, sounds interesting, just the Catholics as a trio.

Even a chunk of those recordings sounds (no pun intended) like an amazing collection to have.

cheers



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benji
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Posted - 02/15/2014 :  07:44:26  Show Profile  Visit benji's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arm Arm Arm

Benji,

That is the show I was thinking of.

I was checking out that guy's site; do you have any of these Catholics shows:

May 2, 2001 - Lawrence, KS, Bottleneck

The W.O.W. Hall, Eugene, OR, 16 May 2001

5/14/02---Petaluma, CA

5/23/02---Portland Berbati's Pan

12/4/02---Little Rock, sounds interesting, just the Catholics as a trio.

Even a chunk of those recordings sounds (no pun intended) like an amazing collection to have.

cheers





Yes to:
May 2, 2001 - Lawrence, KS, Bottleneck
The W.O.W. Hall, Eugene, OR, 16 May 2001
5/23/02---Portland Berbati's Pan

not sure about the others.
i'll look to getting these available at some stage (shortly hopefully).



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benji
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Posted - 02/15/2014 :  07:47:33  Show Profile  Visit benji's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by benji

I do have this one, but not very good sound:
Brick By Brick, San Diego, CA, July 21, 2002 - 74m cdr



all i can say, thank god for polio! brian



and I found a better quality version of this gig. it's only in mp3 format, but not as bad sound as other source.
will add it to the list.



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Arm Arm Arm
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Posted - 02/15/2014 :  11:32:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by benji


That is the show I was thinking of.

I was checking out that guy's site; do you have any of these Catholics shows:

May 2, 2001 - Lawrence, KS, Bottleneck

The W.O.W. Hall, Eugene, OR, 16 May 2001

5/14/02---Petaluma, CA

5/23/02---Portland Berbati's Pan

12/4/02---Little Rock, sounds interesting, just the Catholics as a trio.

Even a chunk of those recordings sounds (no pun intended) like an amazing collection to have.

cheers





Yes to:
May 2, 2001 - Lawrence, KS, Bottleneck
The W.O.W. Hall, Eugene, OR, 16 May 2001
5/23/02---Portland Berbati's Pan

not sure about the others.
i'll look to getting these available at some stage (shortly hopefully).





That would be great, I'd really appreciate it! Thanks.
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Arm Arm Arm
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Posted - 02/15/2014 :  12:09:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pixie punk

http://www.gigposters.com/comments/10351_Frank_Black_And_The_Catholics.html

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Thanks for the link, what a good site.
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Bohemoth
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Posted - 02/17/2014 :  10:08:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have these shows on my hard drive could trade if interested. I think I've traded with you before Benji. Shoot me an e mail
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benji
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Posted - 02/17/2014 :  21:37:52  Show Profile  Visit benji's Homepage  Reply with Quote
i believe we probably have traded before mr bohemoth.
searching my emails it tells me we did some in 2007.....

anyways, here's the first one (it's just in mp3's as that's how i received it - the others will be flac):
https://mega.co.nz/#!p8RUlJCL!kn6JP2VYkHVNaJSsraU-f2FlM9L0OIndl94D-po6V-A
FB & the C's 12-4-02 Juanita's, Little Rock, AR - 112m
(disc 1=54:19, disc 2=57:41)

1. black rider (fb solo)
2. crackity jones (fb solo)
3. humbolt county massacre (fb solo)
4. cactus (band joins in)
5. brackish boy
6. all my ghosts
7. six-sixty-six (regular "lp" version)
8. so. bay
9. southbound bevy
10. bullet
11. manitoba
12. whiskey in your shoes
13. nimrod's son
14. there goes nadine
15. horrible day
16. freedom rock
17. how you went so far

1. jane, the queen of love
2. cold heart of stone
3. monkey gone to heaven
4. mr. grieves/california bound
5. end of miles
6. song of the shrimp
7. nimrod's son/the swimmer
8. bartholomew
9. sister isabelle
10. gouge away
11. john the revelator
12. jumping bean
13. farewell bend
14. wave of mutilation
15. western star
16. black rider
Notes: strange "trio" show with no bassist. Just Frank, Dave P., and Scott. Annoying gaps.


anyone know why just the trio?



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Edited by - benji on 02/17/2014 21:38:49
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Arm Arm Arm
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Posted - 02/19/2014 :  09:42:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for sharing this Benji!

I haven't had a chance to listen to all of it yet, but what I have heard has been very enjoyable. Great version of Manitoba! It's interesting to hear a show without Rich and Dave McCaffrey.

I know Dave Phillips also solos when Rich is there but it is interesting to hear him alone.

The sound quality is pretty good considering someone just recorded this, from I'm assuming, the audience.

I'm guessing this was a last minute show and Rich Gilbert and the other Dave were unavailable so The Catholics became a power trio.

Thanks again for uploading this!
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Mickey
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Posted - 02/19/2014 :  11:41:40  Show Profile  Visit Mickey's Homepage  Reply with Quote
There were a handful of tours without Rich. I think I saw the Catholics more times without him, actually.

-Mickey
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benji
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Posted - 02/19/2014 :  19:48:39  Show Profile  Visit benji's Homepage  Reply with Quote
here's another of your requests mr arm.
I uploaded this to dimeadozen.org a while back so that's why it's in flac format and set up all nice.
it's a very good sounding show, so enjoy.

https://mega.co.nz/#!wtJjXZCD!acjw4osau8Y9uiQ6KOn5skf7m9-mA1R9jiY4TqinLVg

Frank Black & The Catholics
Bottleneck, Lawrence, Kansas
2001-05-02


Lineage: MD > cd-r (master) > EAC v1.0 prebeta 3 (Secure Mode) > flac > you


Setlist:
01 All The Tired Horses
02 Fiddle Riddle
03 The Black Rider
04 Nimrod's Son
05 Bullet
06 Headache
07 Robert Onion
08 Mr Grieves
09 You're Such A Wire
10 Los Angeles
11 Gouge Away
12 Dancing The Manta Ray
13 Some Things
14 Oddball
15 [Frank Rambling / Band Intros]
16 Jumping Bean
17 Monkey Gone To Heaven
18 Six-Sixty-Six
19 All My Ghosts
20 Steak N Sabre
21 Hermaphroditos
22 Dog Gone
23 Dirty Old Town
24 Llano Del Rio
25 I'll Be Blue
26 John The Revelator
27 Everytime I Go Around Here
28 21 Reasons
29 Dog In The Sand
30 Sir Rockaby
31 Bad Harmony
32 The Holiday Song
33 Where Is My Mind
34 Encore Break
35 Stupid Me
36 If It Takes All Night
37 Re-Make/Re-Model

Length: 128:56

Info: A solid show from 2001. As usual for the 2001 tour, an extensive setlist played. Sound is very good - one of the best audience recordings of Frank & The Catholics. From reading a couple of reviews, it appears consensus was that the show went on too long for the audience. Quiet mellow song selection in parts, not surprising considering they're touring "Dog In The Sand." Show was a few days after their equipment got stolen, so all playing borrowed/newly bought equipment.

My copy came as part of a very extensive (100+ cd's) collection of Frank Black and Pixies recordings I acquired from a long-time collector. Most of the stuff has not seen much circulation, and I will endeavor to get through some/most of it in time.


Enjoy,
einzack (2013-06-16)



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Arm Arm Arm
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Posted - 02/22/2014 :  09:48:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you Benji! I look forward to hearing this show from the Catholics heyday and again, your generosity in posting these shows is much appreciated!

Having finished the trio show from Arkansas I gotta say those are great versions of Sister Isabel and John the Revelator. Easily the best John the Revelator I've hard them play.

I think Davey P did a great job in handling the solos and the show just has a riotous energy; well, most Catholics shows did, so, perhaps this one just has more of a focused riot, a contradiction sure, but an enjoyable contradiction.


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Arm Arm Arm
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Posted - 03/06/2014 :  10:46:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That was a very enjoyable show.

Some thoughts: Fiddle Riddle, a very good version, same with Gouge, Dancing the Manta Ray. Exceptional Dog Gone, very gentle and a good slower tempo.

Interesting to hear Hermphrorditos without the quick fast jam at the end; I love the quick jam, but I also like the slow tempo end, with the song falling apart. They also do that nicely at the end of How You Went So Far and Jane, too.

The intro to I'll Be Blue is good. Solid John the Revelator, not as good as the trio show from Juanita's.

Another gentle version of Dog in the Sand, magnifique!

Just before the two minute mark seems like some of the band is going into a different part of Bad Harmony but they correct it.

Great version of the Holiday Song; I really love the space they give the song, too bad Pixies don't perform it this way. Again, it feels like they're going just a bit off like they did in Bad harmony but it makes for a good listen.

I love the longer intro to Where is My Mind, just repeating those chords while the crowd sings along. The Pixies pixified cover songs, the Catholics Catholicized Pixies songs and now the Pixies need to pixify some Catholics ones.

I always felt that If It Takes All Night should go on longer in the live setting; it's blasting along and then, the abrupt stop. Oh well. Remake starts off great, fast and powerful but seems to surprisingly hit a bit of a bump with the solos; maybe my expectations are too high for this one, I recall being amazed at it when I saw them play it in person. Much like If It Takes All Night, I feel like the song should go on longer and be more unhinged.

The sound quality is pretty good on this; great to hear another FB & the C's show from that era.

Thanks Benji.

cheers

Edited by - Arm Arm Arm on 03/06/2014 12:53:45
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benji
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Posted - 03/06/2014 :  20:32:16  Show Profile  Visit benji's Homepage  Reply with Quote
glad you enjoyed that show mr arm.
here's another:
https://mega.co.nz/#!xtZCUZTb!_dYzl-QR9V-e4jr1IYZvy9ReNBF9RbrtfkEsCA3fEV8

The W.O.W. Hall, Eugene, OR, 16 May 2001

01. Steak 'N' Sabre
02. Fiddle Riddle
03. The Black Rider
04. Mr. Grieves
05. Bad Harmony
06. Hermaphroditos
07. Six-Sixty-Six
08. All My Ghosts
09. Monkey Gone To Heaven
10. Dog Gone
11. Sir Rockaby
12. You're Such A Wire
13. Calistan
14. Los Angeles
15. The Shrimp Song
16. Coming Into Los Angeles
17. The Holiday Song
18. Bullet
19. Robert Onion

Disc Two:
01. I'll Be Blue
02. Llano Del Rio
03. Some Things
04. 21 Reasons
05. John The Revelator
06. Nimrod's Son
07. Dog In The Sand
08. Jumping Beans
09. Dirty Old Town
10. So Hard To Make Things Out
11. Where Is My Mind?
12. If It Takes All Night
13. Remake/Remodel



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Arm Arm Arm
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Posted - 03/24/2014 :  17:55:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for posting this Benji. I haven't had a chance to download it yet but hopefully will soon.
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Arm Arm Arm
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Posted - 04/15/2014 :  09:42:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I downloaded this, and haven't listened to it yet, but thanks again Benji. I'll let you know what I think when i get a chance.

cheers
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