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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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 Posted - 09/28/2004 : 11:58:34
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well the level of violence you experienced is the exception, not the rule. it's really unfortunate.
but i was talking in generalities, and of course there are exceptions. there are students who get raped by teachers, and kids who die of food poisoning from those awful school lunches.
but my point was for the most part, high school is easy, yet everyone pretends it's so hard for them. they just blow their own problems out of proportion. |
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Sir Rockabye
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1158 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 12:44:44
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Wow. Thanks everybody for all of the responses.
I think that my school falls under the category of "Putting too much pressure on students to excel" that Floop was talking about. The belief that if a student isn't enrolled in all honors and AP classes they will never be a success in life runs rampant. It’s a shame that all of the school's money goes towards new calculators and textbooks, which are of course valid purchases, and so little of it goes towards updating the other non-academic departments (Art, Drama). Like many of you said, I'll have to just try my best to have a good time. I think that I'm lucky enough not to have a lot of the issues that many of you dealt with throughout your youths, present in mine.
I think my main complaint was addressed by Ramona, and some others. I'm ready to start my real life, I guess. There’s a lot I'm sure, that I will miss when high school is gone, but for now, the bad things outweigh the good. I'm not really looking to the responsibilities of adult-hood, but I think that by attending college, or even taking a year off like Cheeseman suggested could alleviate those kinds of things.
I must agree with a lot of what Ebb said though. I must admit, like most teenagers of my day, I'm pretty self-absorbed. I don't really think of the tragedies of the world daily. In perspective, yes, they make my problems seem pointless and unimportant. But recognizing these atrocities and such don't make smaller problems disappear.
I'm sure I will survive high school, as have all of you, and most people who attend for that matter. Everybody's comments have help put me in a better mind frame, so thanks.
Hey nuclear war and a hot bed of trouble, make with the pennance, repent on the double. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 09/28/2004 : 12:47:33
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so i have to ask you Sir Rockaby, as someone who is long out of high school...
has the invention of cell phones and text messaging revolutionized cheating on tests?
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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Sir Rockabye
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1158 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 12:55:25
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If I owned a cell phone, I could probably give you a better answer than yes. I'm sure there are ways to that, yes.
Hey nuclear war and a hot bed of trouble, make with the pennance, repent on the double. |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 09/28/2004 : 12:56:34
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I can answer that one for you: yes, but there's still nothing like a good old handwritten cheat sheet that you can conceal in the palm of your hand or under your shirt.
¡Viva los Católicos! |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 13:16:24
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quote:
Originally posted by NimrodsSon
I can answer that one for you: yes, but there's still nothing like a good old handwritten cheat sheet that you can conceal in the palm of your hand or under your shirt.
¡Viva los Católicos!
i'm glad to hear that some traditions don't go out of style.
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 23:24:53
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keeping your problems in perspective won't make them go away but it makes them a lot easier to handle.
and in a lot of cases you realize you can just ignore them because they are meaningless (for example, popularity and meeting other people's expectations.) |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2004 : 19:34:56
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I have to say that I wasn't too fond of high school myself. No, it wasn't as bad as some people's experiences, but I was still pretty frustrated most of the time. I guess part of that is just my own personality, but outside factors didn't help things much.
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =
Equatorial Guinea
649 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 19:39:17
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For me, high school itself (the school part) was something that required administrative attention. My guidance counselor told me that people like me never make it anywhere. On the whole, it was something I tried to ignore. Outside of the school aspect, my life was one of the exceptions - a lot of family issues, violence, and death amongst friends. Life since has been easy street by comparison.
So, I agree with Ebb that the school part is sissy. I also agree with other posters that the parts of life during that era are far from it. For me, the key was understanding that although I could not change my circumstances, I could change my reaction to those circumstances. Thus was born a very fucked up sense of humor. By gaining that, I was able to change my circumstances when the opportunities presented themselves.
As far as the band goes, remember: you make your own scene, and you never know where it can lead you.
I prefer skeptical optimism - I find pessimism to be too convenient a perspective from which to limit yourself.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 11/22/2004 : 19:49:19
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Great post, I agree wholeheartedly.
 "Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)" |
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Sir Rockabye
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1158 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 20:03:29
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Yeah, what Dean said. Good post. I don't like to think of myself as a pessimist, although I guess what I posted might indicate that. Truth be told, I think I was just bummed out when I made the original thread, and since, I've put everything in perspective, or at least tried to. I consider myself lucky that I don't have to deal with what are considered "serious problems" like the ones Spudboy listed above (family issues, violence, and death amongst friends etc.), so I can see where my highschool experience is, and will be a more enjoyable one than many have experienced. The only thing I either disagree with, or don't understand is "the school part is sissy". What do you mean?
Turn the spit on that pig and kick the drum and let me down.
Put my clarinet beneath your bed 'til I get back in town.
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =
Equatorial Guinea
649 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 20:17:53
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Just that relative to other things that occurred at the time and since, dealing with the paperwork, tests, and moron teachers, counselors, and principals was pretty damn easy. Especially since I didn't care about anything past getting through it so I could move the hell on with things.
The other people at school and in the social circles outside those walls managed to suck in a grandiose manner, on the other hand. Lots of intimidation, bullying/fights/shootings, social isolation, etc. Some of that can last a little longer (I was getting jumped for being an oddball into my college years), but I tried to channel it into the music I was making in the bands I was in.
Long story short, the amount of bullshit errata (job bureaucracy, bills, etc) you will have to put up with goes up, but people chill out for the most part later on.
Don't take no shit off of anybody, and be nice to old ladies.
edit: exemplification
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Edited by - SpudBoy on 11/22/2004 20:21:05 |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 11/23/2004 : 04:03:41
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I found the below quote at http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/brotherhoodpart7.shtml, Sir Rockabye, and it pretty much sums up what I found school to be like, with the exception of my art teacher - he kicked ass. The best news I can offer is if you don't graduate, it doesn't matter in the least. Apart from one English paper where I turned myself into a Shakespeare quoting-machine to see what it was like, I have never studied hard for an exam in my life (I thought things would be different when I took a philosophy degree in university, then it turned out to be just a degree in memorising and spitting out), though I did worry initially about not keeping up. I now work as a writer, musician, translator and teacher (guitar and English, my own lessons), and Spudboy's remark is spot-on, you make your own scene. If you're really determined you'll make your mark yourself, somebody handing you a certificate to give you permission to do what you already can is just as useless as it sounds. I hope that's been of some help and I wish you all the best.
Regards,
Owen
"The lessons taught in the schools of today are those of confusion (there is no meaning), hierarchical position (envy those above, despise those below), dependency ('success' is measured by the opinion of others and only 'experts' know the truth), obedience (do as others instruct in order to progress) and above all, conformity. A child is simply there to be filled with System-accepted 'facts', regimentally hurried from one lesson to the next to be bombarded with apparently unrelated information with any genuine enthusiasm or interest stifled in the boredom of classroom conformity. A child's intelligence is then measured by his or her meek receptivity to the systematic brainwashing and his or her ability to regurgitate these 'facts' in examinations, whilst the teacher's performance is evaluated by the speed and completeness of the indoctrination. The curriculum is very carefully controlled with standardised textbooks which teachers, whatever their personal feelings on the subject, have to teach in order to retain their jobs. Real questions about the nature of life, the reasons behind the contradictions in accepted historical absurdities, the dreams of self-expression have no part in the straitjacket of System education. People are 'consumers' and cogs in the corporate machine, and those who can accept this role are what the education process call successful'. If conformity is the price of 'success', those who seek alternative views and reject the indoctrination are made to experience shame and a sense of failure. We are taught that the Elite system of corporate-led consumerism has been freely created and that it provides the only answer for a meaningful, worthwhile life. Childhood happiness, enthusiasm and excitement for life are suffocated as we are taught to operate within a system which denies the very essences of humanity – love and the ability to question and search for the truth of our current existence."
Edit - nice Waits sig, by the bye.
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Moving from the clown to the jester will mean moving from similar to same, from alike to identical, from comparable to analogous. Though applied differently, the colours used on one can be used on another, and a couple of changes of costume will rapidly transform the jester into a clown and the clown into a jester. Strictly speaking, they almost duplicate each other as regards clothes and function, the only difference between them, from a social point of view, is that clowns do not usually visit the palaces of kings. |
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Sir Rockabye
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1158 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2004 : 13:55:28
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"Somebody handing you a certificate to give you permission to do what you already can is just as useless as it sounds".
I like that.
Thanks for the advice, the statement Newo posted, while unfortuante, is very accurate. And thanks Spudboy for clearing that up.
Turn the spit on that pig and kick the drum and let me down.
Put my clarinet beneath your bed 'til I get back in town.
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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Posted - 11/23/2004 : 14:21:57
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quote:
Originally posted by SpudBoy
For me, the key was understanding that although I could not change my circumstances, I could change my reaction to those circumstances.
It took me many years to realize this, and it's a wonderful thing SpudBoy; I try to apply this thinking to every problem I face. I don't always succeed, but keeping this in mind helps to alter your perceptions about what's happening around you, especially things that are seemingly (or actually) out of your control. |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Sir Rockabye
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1158 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2004 : 11:09:40
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Great actually. Actually, tonight we are realeasing our first EP. We decided today would be a good date, because it is the one year anniversary of our first show. So we will be playing a basement show, and releasing our noise to the public. I'm really excited for tonight, I'm really expecting a blast. Thanks for asking, by the way.
I will never say the word procrastinate again, I'll never see myself in the mirror with my eyes closed. |
Edited by - Sir Rockabye on 11/24/2004 11:10:00 |
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