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The New Bolero
= Cult of Ray =
394 Posts |
 Posted - 09/22/2004 : 22:17:13
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Because the poor soul has never heard ANY of Frank's post-Pixies work, I told a guy I work with that I'd bring him a cd showing him just what he's been missing out on these past eleven years. Though I realize there are some unforgiveable omissions (only so much fits on a single 80-minute cd you know) I'd like to know how the readers of this board ("uber fans") think I did.
1.Ten Percenter 2.Los Angeles 3.Adda Lee 4.Calistan 5.Freedom Rock 6.Speedy Marie 7.Headache 8.Thalassocracy 9.Big Red 10.The Marsist 11.Better Things 12.The Man Who Was Too Loud 13.All My Ghosts 14.Steak N Sabre 15.Western Star 16.Billy Radcliffe 17.Bad Harmony 18.St. Francis Dam Disaster 19.If it Takes All Night 20.Black Letter Day 21.Nadine 22.Goodbye Lorraine 23.Sugar Daddy |
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spunXtain
= Cult of Ray =
USA
377 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2004 : 22:34:22
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Everyone that i've ever tried to turn on to Frank Black hates it because they are idiots who listen to mainstream shit.
Your compilation 6/10
Got coffee, got donuts, got wasted.. |
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4109 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 00:33:09
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I never try to do that...I want his music just for me! People must turn on to Frank Black naturaly or they never will. I think it´s something that you love or hate! So, nothing to do about it...
I like his shoes, I like his hat, I´d like me better if I looked like that... |
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1734 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 00:40:37
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Originally posted by spunXtain
Everyone that i've ever tried to turn on to Frank Black hates it because they are idiots who listen to mainstream shit.
Your compilation 6/10
Got coffee, got donuts, got wasted..
How could you rate a FB comp under 5/10?
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So you have no point of reference, Donny.
You're like a child that wanders INTO THE MIDDLE OF A MOVIE! |
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Sam
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
514 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 00:44:50
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| Good track list, but i've found people who are new to FB always like Devils workshop, so a bit of San Antonio TX and Modern age might be good. Also i would have to include Men in Black, Llano del Rio and End of miles, oh and tossed and Fu Manchu, my personal opinion you understand. |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1036 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 01:06:37
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woah....somehoe impossible, but i was thinking of the same in the last time - here is a quick brainstorm:
1) Los Angeles
2) Ten Percenter
3) Don't ya rile 'em
4) Pong
5) Thalassocracy
6) Headache
7) Freedom Rock
8) Sir Rockabye
9) The Marsist
10) The Cult of Ray (Very underrated but essential !!!)
11) Solid Gold
12) I need peace
13) Billy Radcliffe
14) St. Francis Dam Disaster
15) Robert Onion (how could you forget that ?)
16) Calfornia Bound
17) End of miles
18) Valentine & Gar.. (never remember the name)
19) Coastline
20) Manitoba
21) My favourite kiss
22) Hate me
23) The ballad of Billy Horton
man, that is difficult - Fu Manchu, Ramona, Two Reelers, Speedy Marie, True Blue, and many more, I forgot - maybe a second CD would be approbiate
 I joined the cult of this mouse / and now I occidentally tic-tac |
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chickenwithtwoheads
= Cult of Ray =
Netherlands
391 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 01:29:19
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Originally posted by two reelers
23) The ballad of Billy Horton
Billy? Who's that? Johnny Radcliffes brother? 
I'm bored with the valleys and bored by the peaks. So I bought a ticket to the Pixies |
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Otherfellers
- FB Fan -
Ireland
87 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 01:42:18
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I don't know, I started off thinking of something, and then I got sidetrack listening to everything else. So the ordering needs work, and since everyone else seemed to be limiting themselves to 23 songs, there will of course be glaring omissions.
01 Whatever Happened to Pong
02 Thalassocracy
03 I Want Rock and Roll
04 Hermaphroditos
05 Modern Age
06 I Love Your Brain
07 Hate Me
08 Headache
09 Western Star
10 Los Angeles
11 I Need Peace
12 Massif Centrale
13 Ten Percenter
14 Two Spaces
15 Everybody Got the Beat
16 Freedom Rock
17 Jet Black River
18 The Snake
19 Superabound
20 The Hostess With The Mostest
21 Two Reeler
22 Bad, Wicked World
23 Pie In the Sky
Most of them are short, and some of the more frenetic FB songs.
They pile, they pile, they pile the salad bar |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 03:46:27
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Bullet? Where's Bullet?
 So, I finally got my X-Wing |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 03:48:00
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"The making of a great compilation tape, like breaking up, is hard to do and takes ages longer than it might seem. You gotta kick off with a killer, to grab attention. Then you got to take it up a notch, but you don't wanna blow your wad, so then you got to cool it off a notch. There are a lot of rules."
Hi Fidelity
(Draft #10)
not set
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PONG!!!
You believe it, you better
Old Black Dawning is coming on
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nice seque
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Or put a tracking device
Way down inside
Give me a blip, uh, and I'll totally flip...
Say it's nothing but sky, and I will be one lonely guy.
I went a ways
On the road that I was on
And you've got your fazer eyes on me
Accustomed to the frequency...
And softest neck, where always do I
Lay my clumsy thoughts.
The world is a rock that's
Spinning so fast
It'll give you jim-jams
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perfect exiting song, and theme change
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Blue, Extrodinary Blue.
Like harvest moon o'er my head
Yes, it was
It's all freedom rock
How can you free me
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tributes
these always belonged together
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Ole', ole', ole' for Mulholland
There was a well known water master man
He was the king
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A very good ending
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I lost my favorite cook
He left little Siam
For many years I looked
He said here I am, oh oh
(if it takes all night)
a couple of songs can fit here
Goodbye, I’m blowing a kiss to you
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How many minutes do I have left? Lots.
I just listened to draft #8, it is very difficult to mix the songs from different periods. Each album has (especially after TOTY) a very unique sound.
This seems short so far, if you ask me. A 10 song limit would be outrageously brief. |
Edited by - hammerhands on 09/26/2004 09:49:35 |
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1734 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 05:22:12
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quote:
Originally posted by hammerhands
John Cusak - Hi Fidelity
Nick Hornby.
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So you have no point of reference, Donny.
You're like a child that wanders INTO THE MIDDLE OF A MOVIE! |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1036 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 05:24:01
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
Bullet? Where's Bullet?
So, I finally got my X-Wing
"Bullet" is already on the best of pixies - it's called nimrod's son there... ;-)
looking at the compilations so far, it's nice to see how much attention the orange/yellow album gets - and deserves, of course !
I joined the cult of this mouse / and now I occidentally tic-tac |
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1734 Posts |
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1713 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 09:26:10
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give your buddy Devil's Workshop. if he digs it and is interested, let him borrow the rest of FB's catalog.
make 'em work for it! if he doesn't dig it, he's out of his element and you can continue to be the hippest cat in your office. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 09:45:28
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Essential FB would include the following (~2/album):
1) Los Angeles
2) Fu Manchu
3) Abstract Plain
4) Speedy Marie
5) Headache
6) Men In Black
7) All My Ghosts
8) The Man Who Was Too Loud
9) Western Star
10) So. Bay
11) Man of Steel
12) St. Francis Dam Disaster
13) Bullet
14) California Bound
15) End of Miles
16) San Antonio, TX
17) Whiskey In Your Shoes
18) Massif Centrale
19) Manitoba
after that, it's just gravy, my personal picks might be:
20) Robert Onion
21) Freedom Rock
22) Two Spaces
23) I Could Stay Here Forever
So, out of 23, you got 6 for hitting the essentials. Though Big Red, Adda Lee, Calistan, Black Letter Day, and Nadine are all songs I'd put in my gravy area, as well as you and I sharing Headache, so out of 23, I'd personally give that mix a 12/23, which means you pass.
 "Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)" |
Edited by - Cult_Of_Frank on 09/23/2004 11:13:01 |
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The New Bolero
= Cult of Ray =
394 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 10:17:09
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| Thanks all. So I've got a passable disc that's not perfect. As I said, I knew there were glaring omissions because I started with 35 songs and had to keep chopping to squeeze onto one disc. Manitoba was the last to go. |
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1462 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 10:26:40
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i like your mix. but a monkey could make an awesome fb mix. there's very few songs i don't enjoy.
but i would add pan american highway.
and what's #11- better things? is there a fb track that i don't have. 
"I joined the Cult of Frank/ and I got a free t-shirt with this dude on it." |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 11:01:38
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Dean, your essential list is pretty darn fine, but you'd have to put RObert Onion and Headache in surely?
So, I finally got my X-Wing |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 11:12:07
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I was trying to keep it down to two/album max. TOTY already has three, though I debated with myself that while I enjoy Freedom Rock more than Headache, Headache was probably more essential... I suppose I should probably have stuck to that instead of putting my personal pref. Consider it changed.
I also debated Robert Onion as an essential, given the cool lyrical wordplay (and overall awesomeness), but that angle's covered by Speed Marie. St. Francis and Bullet are both musts as St. Francis is the only FB ballad and Bullet is absolutely critical. So Robert Onion went into the gravy.
"Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)" |
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 12:08:41
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i'l do three per disc if time would fit it:
1. Los Angeles
2. I Heard Ramona...
3. Czar
4. Headache
5. Speedy Marie
6. Ole Mullholland
7. The Marsist
8. Men in Black
9. I Don't Want To Hurt You
10. All My Ghosts
11. Dog Gone
12. The Man Who Was...
13. Western Star
14. Billy Radcliffe
15. 85 Weeks
16. Robert Onion
17. Bullet
18. Dog in the Sand
19. Cold Heart of Stone
20. Valentine and Garuda
21. 21 Reasons
22. Out of State
23. His Kingly Cave
24. Fields of Marigold
25. Horrible Day
26. Coastline
27. Manitoba
I see this is far too long, so the 4 i would cut would be Coastline, Fields of Marigold, The Man Who Was... and Czar, even though those are probably my favorites on there, they just don't feel so...universal i guess. I want this to span the whole series of FB discs and give a good overview. Plus i would love to throw some B-sides on there (esp. Humboldt County Massacre) but i figured "Essential" to me means easily commercially available.
-brian
- "I joined the Cult of Frank / And they tried to cut off my nuts and make me put on a blue jumpsuit"
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
2002 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 18:31:21
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I would say anything over ten songs as an introduction to anyone is overkill. If they are going to like an artist, the first song should catch their attention. I think we all agree that Frank's music is cancerous, and once it takes a hold of that magical stuff in the brain, it's malignant, baby! So I would start with nine songs. Or ten. But that's it. One off each album, and maybe a b-side. It will be a hard choice to make, but no harder than the artist himself who must make sacrifices to satisfy their producers.
Catchin' blue in his eyes that were brown
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
2002 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 18:32:03
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By the way New Bolero...there was some nice cuts in your compilation!
Catchin' blue in his eyes that were brown
-bRIAN |
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dogjones
- FB Fan -
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 19:46:04
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| i tried putting it all on 1 disc...given the styles i had to break it up pre/post catholics over 2 discs...even with there only being 3 non-catholics albums, it was still almost as hard to make disc 1 as it was disc 2 |
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dogjones
- FB Fan -
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 19:47:23
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this was for a personal mix in the car, btw...
woohoo! useless info |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 22:40:50
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I have some strong advice for you. Frank Black's post Pixies work is not as accessible or visceral as his Pixies stuff. You need to listen a bit closer and give the songs some time to sink in. That being said, I would recommend making the CD only 40 minutes long. I KNOW that sounds impossible, but you have to realize, if you give him an 80 minute CD there is no way in hell he'll ever get around to listening to the last 10 songs on it. A short 10 song CD will be more appealing and will possibly gather more replays. 80 minutes is a lot to ask of someone these days, and say 240 minutes to listen to all the songs 3 times (minimum) is quite a bit as well.
If he likes the 40 minute one, then you can bombard him with a second, 80 minute disc. |
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1734 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2004 : 01:59:05
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40 min, 56 sec:
1Thalassocracy
2You Ain't me
3Freedom Rock
4Los Angeles
5Pan American Highway
6The Swimmer
7Robert Onion
8All my ghosts (single version)
9I want R&R
10The Snake
11nd of Miles
12His Kingly Cave
1-3 Fast and catchy tunes
4 transition
5-6 Mellow
7 Transition
8-10 Back to rock
11-12 Perfect to end
Now I'm gonna try it in that particular order.
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So you have no point of reference, Donny.
You're like a child that wanders INTO THE MIDDLE OF A MOVIE! |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2004 : 09:20:55
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OK, if we're going for more of a shortish/commercial size, then, this time with some reference to track order (bear in mind this is not my list of favourites, just what seems to be generally accepted as some of the best):
1) Bullet
2) Freedom Rock
3) Robert Onion
4) Abstract Plain
5) I Could Stay Here Forever
6) Headache
7) End of Miles
8) Massif Centrale
9) Speedy Marie
10) So. Bay
11) All My Ghosts
12) Los Angeles
It looks unconvential, sure, but it gets in some of the most accessible songs with only 12 tracks and the flow works surprisingly well. I'm going to try this on the next person I introduce to FB.
"Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)" |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2004 : 09:52:50
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I was wondering, if Frank were to make a disc like this of the songs he likes best/were most accessible to new comers, what would it be...
"Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)" |
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
2002 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2004 : 10:55:36
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Two Spaces
White Noise Maker
Men in Black
I Gotta Move
Western Star
The Swimmer
Bartholomew
Jane the Queen of Love
Manitoba
Hate Me
Catchin' blue in his eyes that were brown
-bRIAN |
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Devils Islander
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
101 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2004 : 13:12:23
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It would be reasonably difficult to make a bad FB compilation. However were I forced into a corner, I would have to say that the anti-comp would have only one track on it; and that track would be 'Goodbye Lorraine'. It's a line dancin' anthem...Yee-haa...hoe-down...arrgh!
...where the Ballyhoos and the Tritons are. |
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Chris Knight
= Cult of Ray =
USA
899 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2004 : 15:04:10
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This is what I believe an official, chronologically sequenced "best of" collection would look like. Sort of the FB equivalent to Neil Young's "Decade".
disc #1
los angeles / hang on to your ego / old black dawning / czar / freedom rock
speedy marie / calistan / superabound / white noise maker / men in black / dance war / i don't want to hurt you / dog gone / all my ghosts / suffering
disc #2
western star / skeleton man / i think i'm starting to lose it / robert onion / i'll be blue / st. francis dam disaster / hermaphroditos / cold heart of stone / end of miles / southbound bevy / heloise / whiskey in your shoes / velvety / horrible day
everything is new / the snake |
Edited by - Chris Knight on 09/24/2004 15:15:59 |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2004 : 18:55:28
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quote:
It would be reasonably difficult to make a bad FB compilation. However were I forced into a corner, I would have to say that the anti-comp would have only one track on it; and that track would be 'Goodbye Lorraine'. It's a line dancin' anthem...
And what's wrong with that?
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
1446 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2004 : 22:38:32
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Here's my deal:
I dunno about you guys, but I usually get annoyed when somebody's trying too hard to turn me on to their favorite band. So I'm not into the conversion game, but if I were I think an intro to Frank (barring just hearing one of the albums) should be concise. I'd probably keep my compiliation to no longer than 12-15 songs. "Glaring omissions" are good. This gives the listener more cool stuff to hear when/if they start listening to the actual albums.
My comp would probably start with "Los Angeles" (the stalwart) and end with "Southbound Bevy". |
Edited by - Jason on 09/24/2004 22:39:43 |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2004 : 23:33:18
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you people are weird.
if someone doesn't like frank black then i give up on them. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2004 : 08:48:31
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I dunno about you guys, but I usually get annoyed when somebody's trying too hard to turn me on to their favorite band.
Eh, I wouldn't really call one mix CD "trying too hard."
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2004 : 12:11:27
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| Maybe if the bands didn't suck, those people wouldn't need to try so hard. |
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