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VoVat
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Posted - 09/09/2004 :  17:57:16  Show Profile  Visit VoVat's Homepage  Click to see VoVat's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I've wondered for some time about the incest aspect of "Nimrod's Son," since the Biblical account of the man (Genesis 10:8-12) doesn't mention anything of the sort. Today, however, I found an interesting entry on Nimrod in the Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod_ king

Here's an excerpt:

"According to ancient Egyptian and Babylonian traditions, his mother was Semiramis; sometimes Semiramis is referred to as the mother of Nimrod, and sometimes as his wife, leading to the belief that Nimrod married his mother. Also according to these traditions, Semiramis, who rose to greatness because of her son, was presented with a difficulty when her son died, so instead she pronounced him to be a god, so that she herself would become a goddess."

Apparently some legends had it that Nimrod was reincarnated as his own son. Is this all common knowledge, or what?



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PsychicTwin
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Posted - 09/10/2004 :  06:43:21  Show Profile  Visit PsychicTwin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
If it's common knowledge, I never knew about it!

Nice sleuthing, VoVat...its always cool to get a little more insight on stuff like this
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Black_francis_
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Posted - 09/10/2004 :  08:21:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the bible is such a good read
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whoreatthedoor
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Posted - 09/10/2004 :  09:12:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I read Genesis two months ago, but I can't remember that part. It isn't strange, with all this fucking bunch of strange names.


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Daisy Girl
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Posted - 09/10/2004 :  18:29:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That's really interesting Vovat. Thanks.

I thought this part was especially interesting:

"One tradition says that after Nimrod was killed, Semiramis claimed that an evergreen tree sprouted from a tree stump, which she said indicated the entry of new life into the deceased Nimrod; every year on the anniversary of Nimrod's birth (December 25th) they would leave gifts at this evergreen tree. This is presented by some as a possible explanation the origin of the Christmas tree. Even though Semiramis claimed to be a virgin she had another son, named Tammuz, who she said was the reincarnation of Nimrod. She became known as the "Virgin Mother", "Holy Mother" and the "Queen of Heaven" and was symbolized by the Moon. So began the worship of Semiramis and the child-god, and the whole paraphernalia of the Babylonian religious system.

After the decline of Babylon, the religion was transported to Egypt where the people worshipped Isis and her son Osiris (otherwise known as Horus). The same mother and child deities appeared in Pagan Rome as Fortuna and Jupiter, and in Greece as Ceres, the Great Mother, with the babe at her breast, or as Irene, the goddess of Peace, with the boy Plutus in her arms."

For other things named "Nimrod", see the disambiguation page Nimrod.

I had heard that thre was some evidence that the Christmas tree tradition actually had Pagan roots, but this was cool. It kinda has some ties to that Tom Robbins book-- "Still Life with Woodpecker.


Here's an link to a couple Still Life reviews.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0553348973/103-2488222-0529411?v=glance
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twist
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Posted - 09/10/2004 :  21:52:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.towerofbabel.info/ Nimrod means "tamer of leopards". Talk about ancient lore and arcane knowledge, FB's a reader. Thanks for the illumination, scholars.
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tobafett
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Posted - 09/11/2004 :  07:03:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Go read Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash for some weird thoughts on babel...
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