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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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 Posted - 07/05/2004 : 23:34:56
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Rumor is that Kerry will announce his VP tomorrow and that his plane is being repainted with John Edwards's vp decals.
http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11966
I think it's probably a pretty good pick for Kerry, if true. Edwards is a pretty charming guy. Self made man. And by many accounts an unbelievably good trial lawyer. People hate lawyers, but most of Edwards case involved him representing people against corporations.
So, the Cheney-Edwards debate should be entertaining. |
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Minky303
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Posted - 07/06/2004 : 01:51:03
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He also helped create the Patient's Bill of Rights...people like that. And you're right, charmer indeed.
A while ago I saw a mini-interview with Edwards and he said didn't want to be VP.. but the man IS allowed to change his mind :) |
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begeegs
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Posted - 07/06/2004 : 02:07:46
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| I think that this one is a very safe bet. Edwards did well during the Demo Primaries in the South, so he should help smooth things over. From all of the choices, this is definately the safest. |
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soundofataris
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/06/2004 : 07:48:45
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I was kind of holding out for wes clark, to lock up that whole defense issue, but I think I can get behind edwards.
kerry in a landslide.
warm....warmer.....disco! |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
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Posted - 07/06/2004 : 13:43:35
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I haven't followed either of them much at all, but I get a good vibe from this pairing. I feel good about this. Please please please get Bush out of the White House.
I guess I just wasn't made for these times. |
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 07/06/2004 : 13:48:46
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I'm afraid The Daily Show and SNL will not be as funny without Bush...
"You'll soon be dust your deeds already are, You saw no orb no fiery bushes either, I must be drunk I feel unsteady, No monster me, sadly no saint either... " |
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twist
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Posted - 07/06/2004 : 14:28:49
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| If the primary hadn't been decided so early the ticket would be reversed. |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/06/2004 : 20:11:22
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Originally posted by shineoftheever
I'm afraid The Daily Show and SNL will not be as funny without Bush...
well SNL wont be funny either way. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/14/2004 : 11:34:52
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"What would the media reaction had been if Dick Cheney was found doing the same thing?”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/nation/columns/kurtzhoward/
“The Wall Street Journal editorial page picks up on the Edwards tax shelter issue, which has gotten almost no traction in the mainstream press:
"It turns out that the Kerrys and Edwards have exploited plenty of tax loopholes over the years. Of course, nobody is obligated to pay more than what the letter of the law requires. But the complex tax code benefits the wealthy, who can afford tax attorneys and complicated schemes to skirt the law. And high marginal rates give them plenty of incentive to do so.
"Senator Edwards talks about the need to provide health care for all, but that didn't stop him from using a clever tax dodge to avoid paying $591,000 into the Medicare system. While making his fortune as a trial lawyer in 1995, he formed what is known as a 'subchapter S' corporation, with himself as the sole shareholder. . . . “
and from an editorial noted in the same Howard Kurtz column:
“Here's something that could have been a front-page story, but which the NYT put at the bottom of Page 15 and other papers ignored. John Edwards, the self-proclaimed champion of the little guy, used a tax shelter to avoid paying $600,000 in Medicare taxes--this from a man who made $27 million in the four years before entering the Senate and had criticized tax shelters for undermining Medicare. What would the media reaction had been if Dick Cheney was found doing the same thing?”
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/14/2004 : 11:45:53
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the mass media (PBS et al) herding sheep:
http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2004/cyb20040712.asp#1
"Recognition of the obvious. The media “wants Kerry to win” and so “they’re going to portray Kerry and Edwards as being young and dynamic and optimistic” and “there’s going to be this glow about” them, Evan Thomas, the Assistant Managing Editor of Newsweek, admitted on Inside Washington over the weekend. He should know. His magazine this week sports a smiling Kerry and Edwards on its cover with the yearning headline, “The Sunshine Boys?” Inside, an article carrying Thomas’ byline contrasted how “Dick Cheney projects the bleakness of a Wyoming winter, while John Edwards always appears to be strolling in the Carolina sunshine.” ....
Kurtz’s Washington Post on Sunday well illustrated the media’s infatuation with Kerry and Edwards. “Kerry Vows to Restore 'Truth' to Presidency,” announced a July 11 front page headline. Inside, on page A-8, a headline declared: “Kerry, Edwards Revel in Brotherhood of Campaign.” The subhead: “Energy, Enthusiasm Infectious as Democrats Take Message to Battleground States.”
On Inside Washington, a weekend discussion show taped at and run by the Gannett-owned CBS affiliate in Washington, DC, WUSA-TV, and carried by many PBS stations across the country, Thomas pointed out the boost to the Kerry/Edwards ticket provided by the press corps:
“There’s one other base here: the media. Let’s talk a little media bias here. The media, I think, wants Kerry to win. And I think they’re going to portray Kerry and Edwards -- I’m talking about the establishment media, not Fox, but -- they’re going to portray Kerry and Edwards as being young and dynamic and optimistic and all, there’s going to be this glow about them that some, is going to be worth, collectively, the two of them, that’s going to be worth maybe 15 points.”
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
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Posted - 07/14/2004 : 15:56:38
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Dude, if you honestly think that we can do worse than Bush, there's something wrong with you.
I guess I just wasn't made for these times. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/14/2004 : 16:03:06
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seriously, anyone but bush.
my parents are going to vote for bush and i'm ashamed of their willful ignorance. it's very depressing. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/14/2004 : 16:04:41
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Well they did produce you.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/14/2004 : 16:22:38
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| Just trying to do my part toward an informed electorage. Anybody keeping up on the lastest on the Wilson-Plame affair? How about Ms. Heinz Kerry's 2003 reported income of $5,115,000 on assets estimated at over $1 Billion? If you had $1 Billion, do you think you'd be so inept as to make one half of one percent on it per year? Oh, yes, we can do much, much worse than Bush, and did via Clinton and Carter. Who killed Ron Brown? And why? Who raped Juanita Broaddrick? You see, I know what the left says, simply because all Americans cannot help but be immersed in it, but you guys need to get out. Read a little instapundit.com , everyday, just for starters, and then follow where it leads. Don't worry, he's a law professor with libertarian tendencies. But he's sane, and knows what's at stake in this war, and how Americans are being lied to every day by the networks, PBS, Moore, your celebrities, the daily papers. Open your minds. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/14/2004 : 16:22:43
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
Well they did produce you.
yes and that almost makes up for them voting for bush. |
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Ebb Vicious
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Posted - 07/14/2004 : 16:24:41
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Originally posted by Erebus
Just trying to do my part toward an informed electorage. Anybody keeping up on the lastest on the Wilson-Plame affair? How about Ms. Heinz Kerry's 2003 reported income of $5,115,000 on assets estimated at over $1 Billion? If you had $1 Billion, do you think you'd be so inept as to make one half of one percent on it per year? Oh, yes, we can do much, much worse than Bush, and did via Clinton and Carter. Who killed Ron Brown? And why? Who raped Juanita Broaddrick? You see, I know what the left says, simply because all Americans cannot help but be immersed in it, but you guys need to get out. Read a little instapundit.com , everyday, just for starters, and then follow where it leads. Don't worry, he's a law professor with libertarian tendencies. But he's sane, and knows what's at stake in this war, and how Americans are being lied too every day by the networks, PBS, Moore, your celebrities, the daily papers. Open your minds.
thank you kind sir. your unsubstantiated rhetoric has certainly opened my eyes. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
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Posted - 07/14/2004 : 16:48:12
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
Well they did produce you.
yes and that almost makes up for them voting for bush.
Exactly.
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Little Black Francis
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Posted - 07/14/2004 : 17:31:34
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Yeah, I'd rather have Ebb Vicoius as pres before I would ever vote for BUsh
Re-defeat bush in 2004! That fucking peice of shit has tarnished the image of the USA and all we cool americans... fuck that pig-fucker, fuck him in his stupid fucking pig ass!
I can't wait for this fucking election, and the inauguration of our new! president.
One term, like father like son. Fuck those fuck!
(I hope the CIA doesn't fucking break into my house and take me off to some secret prison in south americxa where they torture creative and opinionated anti-bush people)
Ik heb je oma geneukt met de voorbind dildo van Floops moederhehehahhahehehaha |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 07/14/2004 : 23:02:08
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Originally posted by Erebus
Who killed Ron Brown? And why? Who raped Juanita Broaddrick? You see, I know what the left says, simply because all Americans cannot help but be immersed in it, but you guys need to get out. Read a little instapundit.com , everyday, just for starters, and then follow where it leads.
Assine bullshit! |
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begeegs
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 03:26:33
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Originally posted by Erebus
Just trying to do my part toward an informed electorage. Anybody keeping up on the lastest on the Wilson-Plame affair? How about Ms. Heinz Kerry's 2003 reported income of $5,115,000 on assets estimated at over $1 Billion? If you had $1 Billion, do you think you'd be so inept as to make one half of one percent on it per year? Oh, yes, we can do much, much worse than Bush, and did via Clinton and Carter. Who killed Ron Brown? And why? Who raped Juanita Broaddrick? You see, I know what the left says, simply because all Americans cannot help but be immersed in it, but you guys need to get out. Read a little instapundit.com , everyday, just for starters, and then follow where it leads. Don't worry, he's a law professor with libertarian tendencies. But he's sane, and knows what's at stake in this war, and how Americans are being lied to every day by the networks, PBS, Moore, your celebrities, the daily papers. Open your minds.
So I guess the 10's of thousand of innocents that Bush has killed with his lies to invade Iraq are somehow better than this?
Wilson-Plame - That hasn't gone anywhere at the moment. The last I heard was a rumour that Bush was considering retaining a personal lawyer in case he has to be called to the inquiry of Fitzgerald.
As far as getting worse than Bush, I disagree with you on that. Bush is easily the worst president that the US has had, unless you are a military contractor, wealthy, or connected to big oil. The economy has slumped to near Great Depression levels. Unemployment is through the roof - Deficit Spending as far as the eye can see so we can cut social spending on things like - errm - schools and education. But we have enough to finance his little adventure in Iraq and reward Cheney's company, Haliburton. Gutting clean air laws - walking away from Kyoto. Trying to bring back Nuclear Power. Secrecy beyond the Nixon Administration.
I'd say the Bush is about as close to fascism as you can get - If you doubt it, have a look at his donors to his campaign, past legislation payouts to these donors - then have a look at the definition of fascism according to a former fascist - Mussolini -'Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism as it is a merge of state and corporate power.'
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 05:16:09
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Originally posted by Erebus
Who killed Ron Brown? And why? Who raped Juanita Broaddrick? You see, I know what the left says, simply because all Americans cannot help but be immersed in it, but you guys need to get out. Read a little instapundit.com , everyday, just for starters, and then follow where it leads.
Assine bullshit!
darwin, I'm hardly the conspiracy nut. Maybe you've already checked it out and dismissed it, but to my eye Broaddrick could not have been more credible. There can be no doubt that Bill Clinton was and is a sexual predator. And Brown's death is beyond suspicious. But that's all bodies under the bridge. The point is that we can do and have done worse than Bush.
As I've often remarked, I'm no great fan of Bush and am genuinely appalled by much about him and his policies. Yes, the Bushies are as much in bed with corporate interests as were the Clintonistas. But national security must be the priority right now. The Dems simply cannot be entrusted with this. It's true that we could muddle along, appeasing per usual, and actually feel "safer" in the near term. And while we sleep 9/11's will incubate in spades. We can sign treaties with North Korea, of all people, and cast our multinational fate with the oil-for-food UN.. Just how foolish do we have to be?
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begeegs
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 05:36:40
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"As I've often remarked, I'm no great fan of Bush and am genuinely appalled by much about him and his policies. Yes, the Bushies are as much in bed with corporate interests as were the Clintonistas. But national security must be the priority right now. The Dems simply cannot be entrusted with this. It's true that we could muddle along, appeasing per usual, and actually feel "safer" in the near term. And while we sleep 9/11's will incubate in spades. We can sign treaties with North Korea, of all people, and cast our multinational fate with the oil-for-food UN.. Just how foolish do we have to be? "
If National Security is the issue, then a war of agression is the answer? So you think that Bush has done a reputable job with dealing with terrorism? Puleeze! The reason we were attacked on 9/11 was based on our foreign policy. It continues to be horrible and probably will be worse with a Bush re-election (Have a look at the Project For The New American Century, then read the "Bush Doctrine" of pre-emtption). With a Bush re-election, it will signify that a public is behind his policy of pre-emption, which has been proven to be a massive failure. The fallout is still being felt around to globe. With a Bush re-election, expect for Iran to be invaded as well, and more than likely Syria.
Do you want to have endless war for decades to come? Ready for a draft? The re-elect Bush -
How's that for "National Security"? Feel safe now? |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 07:55:09
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Erebus, why do you try?
This is an echo-chamber. What intellects we have here. Championing people they admit they 'havent followed' and know nothing about.
John Edwards has done more to increase the cost of health care in this country than 99.9% of our citizens. He is the worst type of ambulance chaser and personally forced Obstetricians who had the audacity to deliver a baby that had brain damage. Edwards broke these Dr's on completely discredited idea that normal birth caused the defects and that the Dr's should have forced a C-section on the patient.
Now the much more expensive and painful C-Section procedure is being used at a much higher rate by scared health providers. The rate of birth defects has OF COURSE stayed the same. John Edwards meanwhile earned $27MM or so in the 4 years before he ran for the Senate. Seems like a good guy to me.
This 'charmer' used a particularly devious technique on juries and I hope he is asked point-blank about it soon. He actually told a jury (its in the transcripts - I only deal in facts) that he "can hear the baby talking through me", the baby 'told' Edwards things like "I'm having trouble now", "I cant breath", and such as the baby recounted I guess its troubled birth. Edwards did not specify whether he was utilizing a crystal ball or seance to communicate, just that he was a conduit for this dead baby to communicate with this particular jury.
He's a swell guy. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 08:00:31
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| Dallas, I recently heard similar about Edwards, that his specialty was the now bogus association of birth defects and normal birth. Quite the champion of the people. Millionare parasite. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 08:25:17
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i don't care if edwards put a bunch of rich doctors out of work that or for giving out tylenol instead of advil. don't care at all.
anyone. but. fucking. bush. |
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KimStanleyRobinson
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 09:00:00
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
i don't care if edwards put a bunch of rich doctors out of work that or for giving out tylenol instead of advil. don't care at all.
anyone. but. fucking. bush.
Here here.
All you right-wing lawyer haters get a clue. Lawyers make law and govern better than cowboys or CEOs do. |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 09:38:32
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ECHO, echo, echo....echo |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 10:57:31
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Originally posted by Dallas
Erebus, why do you try?
This is an echo-chamber. What intellects we have here.
You're a real piece of work. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is dumb? Very nice.
How about link about Edwards and his birth defect lawsuits. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 11:07:13
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Originally posted by Erebus
As I've often remarked, I'm no great fan of Bush and am genuinely appalled by much about him and his policies. Yes, the Bushies are as much in bed with corporate interests as were the Clintonistas.
So, why do you only spout the rightwing conspiracy theory lines of attack? |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 13:45:26
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 13:56:35
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For the skeptics, This is from the NY Times:
January 31, 2004
In Trial Work, Edwards Left a Trademark
By ADAM LIPTAKand MICHAEL MOSS
n 1985, a 31-year-old North Carolina lawyer named John Edwards stood before a jury and channeled the words of an unborn baby girl.
Referring to an hour-by-hour record of a fetal heartbeat monitor, Mr. Edwards told the jury: "She said at 3, `I'm fine.' She said at 4, `I'm having a little trouble, but I'm doing O.K.' Five, she said, `I'm having problems.' At 5:30, she said, `I need out.' "
But the obstetrician, he argued in an artful blend of science and passion, failed to heed the call. By waiting 90 more minutes to perform a breech delivery, rather than immediately performing a Caesarean section, Mr. Edwards said, the doctor permanently damaged the girl's brain.
"She speaks to you through me," the lawyer went on in his closing argument. "And I have to tell you right now — I didn't plan to talk about this — right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking to you."
The jury came back with a $6.5 million verdict in the cerebral palsy case, and Mr. Edwards established his reputation as the state's most feared plaintiff's lawyer.
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On the other side, insurance companies, business groups that support what they call tort reform and conservative commentators have accused Mr. Edwards of relying on questionable science in his trial work. Indeed, there is a growing medical debate over whether the changes have done more harm than good. Studies have found that the electronic fetal monitors now widely used during delivery often incorrectly signal distress, prompting many needless Caesarean deliveries, which carry the risks of major surgery.
The rise in such deliveries, to about 26 percent today from 6 percent in 1970, has failed to decrease the rate of cerebral palsy, scientists say. Studies indicate that in most cases, the disorder is caused by fetal brain injury long before labor begins.
An examination of Mr. Edwards's legal career also opens a window onto the world of personal injury litigation. In building his career, Mr. Edwards underbid other lawyers to win promising clients, sifted through several dozen expert witnesses to find one who would attest to his claims, and opposed state legislation that would have helped all families with brain-damaged children and not just those few who win big malpractice awards.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 13:57:54
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How about link about Edwards and his birth defect lawsuits.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/07/11/do1109.xml
I tried to search Steyn's site, thinking that there he might say more about the medical sources but couldn't manage it easily. No search function at his site. Mark Steyn is credible, but then I would say that.
The link is to an opinion piece. I wouldn't expect to find support for this in a news piece at a Dem cheerleading "mainstream" press site. I expect something will appear at National Review, NY Post, or Wash Times, "your alternative news sources". |
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Ebb Vicious
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 14:10:41
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i repeat; anyone but fucking bush.
at least edwards was taking from the rich and giving to himself and other people.
bush is taking lives from the poor and giving oil to the rich.
fuck you, take your bush-loving bullshit to a fucking Lynyrd Skynyrd board you cuntrags. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 14:24:05
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Since you only deal in facts (Spin-Free Zone), I'll use your own source to show where you're stretching the truth.
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Originally posted by Dallas
This 'charmer' used a particularly devious technique on juries and I hope he is asked point-blank about it soon. He actually told a jury (its in the transcripts - I only deal in facts) that he "can hear the baby talking through me",
From NYT:
"She speaks to you through me," He not claiming to hear the baby or to be channeling the baby. He's claiming to repreesnt her and is using the tapes from the monitor to describe her state during the delivery.
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the baby 'told' Edwards things like "I'm having trouble now", "I cant breath", and such as the baby recounted I guess its troubled birth. Edwards did not specify whether he was utilizing a crystal ball or seance to communicate, just that he was a conduit for this dead baby to communicate with this particular jury.
From NYT:
Referring to an hour-by-hour record of a fetal heartbeat monitor, Mr. Edwards told the jury: "She said at 3, `I'm fine.' She said at 4, `I'm having a little trouble, but I'm doing O.K.' Five, she said, `I'm having problems.' At 5:30, she said, `I need out.' "
The baby isn't telling him, he isn't using a crystal ball, he's reading the tape from a external monitor.
Actually, I do find some of this disturbing. I'm of the opinion that there are too many C-sections and doctors are too quick to push them. Perhaps suits by Edwards have contributed to this. Is Edwards faultless? Perhaps not. Do I think he's better than Cheney? Yes.
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El Barto
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 14:55:23
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Rightwingers can shout all they want. Call us stupid. Call us drones. Call us paranoid, I don't give a fuck. I know that I cannot respect any living being who supports Bush. That's just the way it's going to have to be. Four more years of that piece of shit will mean further distruction, both within and without the US.
If you think Bush is such a great president, how about you go out and talk to the families of all the troops who have died for what? How about you go out and talk to all the troops who are still over there, who have had their time extended. Ask them what they're doing and what they think. Ask the people who had jobs 4 years ago today.
I guess I just wasn't made for these times. |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/15/2004 : 14:58:36
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Darwin - your post is blatantly intellectually dishonest. Your not a dumb guy. But you purposely left out the most damning quote:
"She speaks to you through me," the lawyer went on in his closing argument. "And I have to tell you right now — I didn't plan to talk about this — right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking to you."
That has nothing to do with monitors. He could have read from the the monitors, but, he didnt. HE chose to tell the jury that HE was in contact with the deceased baby. Don't short-circuit your own thoughts and opinions to defend an ambulance chaser.
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