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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
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 Posted - 05/18/2004 : 09:05:02
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| which pixies song is this meant to be nicked from? |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 05/18/2004 : 10:08:38
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Commonly said to be U-Mass, but I'd put more stock in it being from Debaser.
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2004 : 10:12:31
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| teen spirit came out before Umass. it's not really any song in particular, just the dynamics are pixies like. |
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Little Black Francis
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Posted - 05/18/2004 : 13:18:51
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| some say gouge away |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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Posted - 05/18/2004 : 13:46:31
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This should be in the FAQ. They didn't rip off a Pixies riff...they "ripped off" the Pixies sound...the quiet verse, the explosive chorus. Apparently, the Pixies invented such a dynamic, but I believe it's been around for as long as rock and roll. Can anyone find any pre-Pixies examples of this?
For good reference, see: Tame, Gouge Away
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2004 : 14:07:43
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uhm beach boys use it
pet sounds
normal verses
big production choruses
maybe a weak example
but I believe pixies were the ones
to make it a fasion
like in grunge
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 05/18/2004 : 14:59:26
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Yeah, Jimbo's pretty much right. Pixies defined a sound which became a staple for Nirvana and others, so it wasn't any particular song. It just happens that U-Mass's chorus has a very similar chord structure to Teen Spirit.
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rockmusic84
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 05/18/2004 : 18:28:25
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Here are probably the 2 best and earliest examples of "soft/loud":
"Happy Together", by The Turtles (1966)
"Happy Jack", by The Who (1966)
There are probably even EARLIER instances than these. The whole "dynamics" technique has been around for as long as MUSIC has, let alone rock music. In classical music, dynamics are the main part of the sound. In the classical music I've heard, anyway.
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fudd
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Posted - 05/18/2004 : 18:38:29
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Jimi Hendrix Experience - Fire
Big Brother and the Holding Company - Another Piece of My Heart, Cry Baby, Summertime
lots of blues, first thing to mind is Edgar Winter - Tobacco Road |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 05/19/2004 : 07:59:55
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I wouldn't say they invented that dynamic, but it was the key to their sound and was really very accentuated. They did this very well, and that was inspiring to a lot of others, and they took it to extremes. While it's true that it's been around forever, I don't think there are many examples of such extremeness: from a harsh whisper (literally) to the most God-forsaken scream ever recorded (see: Tame).
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 05/19/2004 : 09:10:37
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This dynamic has been used in punk roock. Perfect example : the Clash, Should I stay or should I go.
I keep feeling like people are just looking at screens and web sites all the time, but do they ever do anything? Or go out and say anything to anyone? I'm not so sure anymore. |
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Steak n Sabre
* Dog in the Sand *
Uzbekistan
1013 Posts |
Posted - 05/19/2004 : 11:57:49
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'Teen Spirit' kind of borrows from 'All Over the World' IMHO...
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/19/2004 : 13:11:10
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'Teen Spirit' doesn't take its riff from any PARTICULAR Pixies song..like people said, its more the overall dynamic/rhythmic guitar style that indicates a clear Pixies influence. Plus, the verse with the solid BASS backbone, and a couple of scant guitar notes played over it... VERY Pixies indeed.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 05/19/2004 : 17:43:36
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I pretty much agree with Dean here. They certainly didn't create the quiet verse/loud chorus dynamic, but the particular style they used has been imitated by many grunge bands.
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 05/19/2004 : 20:12:28
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| Down on the Street probably uses it in the most Pixies way, as in instead of just going from soft to loud, Iggy screams the choruses as well. That said, it does have guitar in the verses, and Pixies were noted for having just bass. |
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
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Posted - 05/19/2004 : 21:49:55
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but I believe it's been around for as long as rock and roll. Can anyone find any pre-Pixies examples of this?
Wasn't it even around BEFORE rock and roll? I recall Handel's "Suprise Symphony". |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/19/2004 : 22:46:19
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| this topic is worse than another John Baystow commercial |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 05/20/2004 : 07:35:24
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you mean John Basedow?
FITNESS CELEBRITY John Basedow?
(what the hell is a "fitness celebrity" anyway??)
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/20/2004 : 09:08:02
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Originally posted by El Barto
This should be in the FAQ. They didn't rip off a Pixies riff...they "ripped off" the Pixies sound...the quiet verse, the explosive chorus. Apparently, the Pixies invented such a dynamic, but I believe it's been around for as long as rock and roll. Can anyone find any pre-Pixies examples of this?
For good reference, see: Tame, Gouge Away
Boycott cults and t's
pere ubu had a song or 2 like that didn't they? (going from memory)
Is it like today? Oh, oh, oh-oh. Then there followed days with kings, empires and revolutions. blood just looks the same when you open the veins. sometimes it was faith, power or reason as the cornerstone. but the furrowed brow has never left his face. he said, how did it come to this?
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Peter Walker
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/20/2004 : 11:25:44
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Originally posted by IceCream
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but I believe it's been around for as long as rock and roll. Can anyone find any pre-Pixies examples of this?
Wasn't it even around BEFORE rock and roll? I recall Handel's "Suprise Symphony".
Blimey, we've discovered plagiarism in the 18th century! Is that who Haydn cribbed his "Surprise Symphony" from?
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Little Black Francis
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Posted - 05/20/2004 : 15:06:54
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PsychicTwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
1128 Posts
Posted - 05/20/2004 : 07:35:24
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you mean John Basedow?
FITNESS CELEBRITY John Basedow?
(what the hell is a "fitness celebrity" anyway??)
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Sorry I spelled it wrong, I fuckin hate that guy. Every cable channel shows the same crappy c-budget comericial constantly. It's garunteed to be on at least one channel at any given time.
And what's with standing at a 45 degree angle at all times?
And the guy looks like a total freak, I don't want to look like that or look at his goofy as with his shirt off everyday.
I still haven't had the pleasure of visiting fitnessmadesimple.com, that fucking address has been ingrained in my head.
Fuckin someone kill that guy, or at least stop the lame commercials |
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 05/20/2004 : 18:26:46
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Originally posted by Peter Walker
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Originally posted by IceCream
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but I believe it's been around for as long as rock and roll. Can anyone find any pre-Pixies examples of this?
Wasn't it even around BEFORE rock and roll? I recall Handel's "Suprise Symphony".
Blimey, we've discovered plagiarism in the 18th century! Is that who Haydn cribbed his "Surprise Symphony" from?
Sorry!
I was wrong when I declared that Handel's "Suprise Symphony" existed. Haydn's "suprise symphony", however, does exist:
http://www.gardenofpraise.com/key21bj.htm
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Antoinette
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Posted - 05/20/2004 : 18:31:46
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| I don't think it was intentional or anything, esp. because it was written and recorded long before the verse/chorus Pixies dynamic got flogged to death, but one thing I always loved about The Happening was how it flipped it -- raunchy verse, quiet chorus. |
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ispini tapaidh
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Posted - 05/21/2004 : 04:17:19
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Was the riff not alleged to have been nicked from Boston's "More than a feeling"?
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 05/21/2004 : 08:04:05
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I don't think it was intentional or anything, esp. because it was written and recorded long before the verse/chorus Pixies dynamic got flogged to death, but one thing I always loved about The Happening was how it flipped it -- raunchy verse, quiet chorus.
Isn't "Gouge Away" kind of the same way?
I really don't see "The Happening" as a verse/chorus deal. It's more of a song with two distinct sections, neither of which can really qualify as "verse" or "chorus." It is true that it starts out loud and gets quiet, though.
Cattle in Korea / They can really moo. |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/21/2004 : 08:57:12
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Sorry I spelled it wrong, I fuckin hate that guy. Every cable channel shows the same crappy c-budget comericial constantly. It's garunteed to be on at least one channel at any given time.
And what's with standing at a 45 degree angle at all times?
And the guy looks like a total freak, I don't want to look like that or look at his goofy as with his shirt off everyday.
I still haven't had the pleasure of visiting fitnessmadesimple.com, that fucking address has been ingrained in my head.
Fuckin someone kill that guy, or at least stop the lame commercials
Yeah, he's a jackass. He has the body of a steroid freak with the head of an eighties Miami Vice reject. I similarly have an inexplicable hatred for him, his commercials, and the frequency at which they are on TV.
LBF and I are starting a "Kill John Basedow" fund. We're going to raise enough money to commission an effective hitman, to put an end to this foolishness.
you can track our efforts at fitnessmadesimple.com, after we get a hacker to sabotage the site for our purposes.
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fudd
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/21/2004 : 11:36:14
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Originally posted by VoVat
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I don't think it was intentional or anything, esp. because it was written and recorded long before the verse/chorus Pixies dynamic got flogged to death, but one thing I always loved about The Happening was how it flipped it -- raunchy verse, quiet chorus.
Isn't "Gouge Away" kind of the same way?
I really don't see "The Happening" as a verse/chorus deal. It's more of a song with two distinct sections, neither of which can really qualify as "verse" or "chorus." It is true that it starts out loud and gets quiet, though.
Garbage has made a (damn good) career out of alternating between sticky-sweet and raunchy, sometimes one way and sometimes the other (verse/chorus). |
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rockmusic84
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 05/21/2004 : 19:54:00
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Originally posted by ispini tapaidh
Was the riff not alleged to have been nicked from Boston's "More than a feeling"?
I would think it's more likely to have been ripped off of Boston's "Movin' On".
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rockmusic84
= Cult of Ray =
USA
256 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2004 : 19:55:00
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Nirvana didn't rip off the Pixies, they ripped off BOSTON!!! Finally, the truth is known. :)
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 05/22/2004 : 08:35:49
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But the Pixies were FROM Boston!
Oh, wait...
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Douglas
= Cult of Ray =
Sweden
308 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2004 : 09:40:18
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
I'd put more stock in it being from Debaser.
yeah, me too. |
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