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mattb
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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 Posted - 05/09/2004 : 08:58:46
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Ok, before you read my post read this review first:
http://www.howwastheshow.com/reviews-2004/pixies2-04-13-04.html
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Hi I'm small guy from Toronto, nice to meet you. This guy is either smoking crack or my by some coincidence there was another guy from Toronto with some 7 foot guy standing near him or (what I think) he's a liar. I read this review this morning looking for pictures from the show and stumbled on it. I start reading about guy from Toronto and I'm like hey I wonder if it's me. I keep reading and filtering through the bullshit realize that it is me. I'm not really mad about this since my name isn't mentioned (since he didn't know it) but I was just floored how people can make shit up to make a better sounding article. Let's run through some of his points:
"The little guy was from Toronto. He’d driven 10 hours from Winnipeg without a ticket to see the first show of the reunion tour and was driving back that night to see them in Manitoba the next day, in Kamloops maybe or Brandon."
-Ok, it starts off acurately although I contest his labeling me a small guy. He was 7 feet tall and I'm 5'6 which is not tall by any sense but it's not like I'm 4 feet tall or anything. As anyone who know the ordeal we all went through to get tickets for this show I did have a ticket for the show and at no point did I say to him that I didn't. And yes I was driving back with porkbone right after the show to see them in Manitoba the next day and yes I did just finsh a long drive from Winnipeg with jackanapes to see the show. And it was Winnipeg you wonderful fact checker you.
"Bolstered by drink and the blind faith of the true fan, he lingered outside the Fine Line until some shameless profiteer sold him a ticket for $120US and he made his way inside..."
-I didn't even see this guy outside and frankly didn't even notice him where I was standing until 3/4 of the way through the show as a person who might not object to me standing in front of them. As mentioned before I had a ticket, in fact I got tickets for other people.
"I am tall and he was small. Generally, I’m sensitive to sight-line issues in smaller clubs and tend to drift towards the back lest I importune the more vertically-challenged. This was history, however, so I finagled a choice spot along the mezzanine rail and settled in with my companion for the show."
-Ok this is true as well he stood in front of the railing while the ten people behind him couldn't see. I'm sure they loved you for that asshole. It's historic so he had to block people's views. He should really stop using his writings as therapy for his height issues which seem to run through this entire article. Dude, 99% of people are shorter than. Made no impact on me though since he was standing to the right of me, the stage was to the left so he had no impact on my line of sight.
"Newsflash! Personal space outlawed in Canada!"
-Newsflash! Your'e at a rock show you dumb fuck. The people pushing you from behind are getting pushed from behind in turn.
"He was all over me from the start - hands on my shoulders, beady eyes peering through my legs, trying vainly to crawl into my shirt pocket while jockeying for a better view."
-Like I said before he wasn't in my way at all, I might have nudged him a few times as I was getting pushed too. See what I mean about the height issues?
"After an hour or so of being molested Lambada-style by the tyke, we both smoked a cigarette and he took me home to meet his parents. Actually, he sheepishly tapped me on the back and asked if he might stand in front of me for the encore so he could take some pictures, eh? I'm a nice guy. I stepped aside."
-Again with the height issues. I was barely touching the guy. When the encore was starting I figured this guy could have 20 people in front of him and still see so I asked him if he would mind if I stepped in front of him for the encore so I could take some pictures. He said sure and I said "thanks I came all the way from Toronto to see the show".
"He took a couple of snaps right away but then climbed up on the rail and began screaming out to Kim Deal & Frank Black (or Black Francis or Chuck E. Cheese or whatever he's calling himself these days). Several times people standing nearby had to grab him by his coattails while he leaned over the brink - one slip and he would have plummeted down into a crowd so densely packed you could have slipped coal into a sweaty armpit and had a diamond by the end of the show. Heat, pressure, time...Heat, pressure, time... "
-Ok so he let's me infront and I start taking pictures. Thing is the crappy disposable has none left after I take about 4. I figure he can still see especially considering now that he took the spot I had to the side of him and I could see pretty well above the girl's head so he shouldn't have a problem. I'm sure the people standing behind him the entire show appreciated it too now that they could actually see something standing behind the little guy. So I'm standing there bobbing my head to the songs with everyone else against the railing and there's a lull where people start screaming out songs. This is the point where I yell out my infamous request for Where is My Mind that can be heard on the cd. Only thing I yelled out during the show besides clapping insanely and cheering along with everyone else. Two songs later the play it and I step on the step that the railings attached too and start clapping. The guy who's now standing behind me now taps me on the shoulder and says he can't see so I stepped down. Happened once, I wasn't even close to falling and I can't recall anyone having to "grab me by my coattails"
"Now he was scaring me. He kept screaming and reaching out, vainly trying to make contact with the band until he suddenly climbed down, claiming Kim Deal had smiled and winked at him. And then he was gone."
Ok, at this point I haven't given him anything he can embelish so he just makes stuff up. Screaming? Reaching out? Maybe he was drunk and got me mixed up with someone else. Kim Deal smiling and winking at me? Sorry didn't happen, at least not that I saw. And then I was gone? Stayed till the end of the show when I finally briefly conversed with him. I tell him thanks for letting me stand in front of him. He says "so you came from Toronto, was it worth?". I tell him of course and explain what an ordeal it was getting there. Flying in to Winnipeg then getting in a car right away and I told him how I'm about to drive back right after the show so I can catch them in Winnipeg the next day. I tell him that and he starts shaking his head and rolling his eyes in that pretentious way. At this point I'm like yeah fuck you too and walk off.
I always heard stories that journalists lie like crazy but this just goes beyond anything I could have imagined. Oh well, just wanted to share.
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roomloo
= Cult of Ray =
USA
710 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 09:31:07
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Hey Matt, I totally know how I would feel in your position, and that guy has made it clear he's not so great a writer and is probably kind of an ass (not to mention not much of a Pixies fan -- how the hell did this guy score tickets?), but considering that he didn't mention your name and probably never imagined that you'd ever read this, I think you're more of a rough basis for a fictional character that he used to make his otherwise boring review less boring. He got a few facts right but realized those wouldn't make for a very interesting article. I'm sure he made up the part about the people crying after the show, too.
Anyway, looks like the Realist was actually at the show after all... |
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sarah spinart
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Posted - 05/09/2004 : 11:07:27
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you should have done my signature move the second he stepped in front of you: say very loudly, "hi, i'm the incredibly tall guy standing in front of you!"
it makes incredibly tall guys rather sheepish. sometimes they move. sometimes they don't but i at least like to think they spend some time feeling guilty first. |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
736 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 16:07:31
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| That guys junk, his writing style is really tough to follow and he throws in usless facts that arn't true first of all and that dont help him get his point across. I hate articles like this. I read through all that junk/shit just to discover his usless point/thesis which i dont agree with anyway. What a waste of time...GET TO THE DAMN POINT!!!! |
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roomloo
= Cult of Ray =
USA
710 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 16:13:51
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Yeah ... keep in mind that this guy is much less a journalist than a blogger, so it's about as bad as you would expect.
Didn't realize that anyone outside of Mpls read howwastheshow.com ... heh. By the way, the usual writer on that site wrote an earlier review of the show, which was less to do with the show than all the buzz around it and his experience getting tickets and the pre-show activities, and was more readable. He also admits to not being a huge Pixies fan (partly because he's too old, if you can believe it), but he actually seems like a pretty nice guy. |
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woodworm
- FB Fan -
USA
94 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 17:27:32
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gunner
- FB Fan -
Canada
128 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 21:50:01
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First off matt, I'd like to say that that guy's a dink. Secondly, did it really take him a month to write that review!?!? I'm not sure what the point is of his review, or why he was even there, but it all seemed a little too self serving. If I see him at the November shows, I make sure to get on someones shoulders and stand in front of him.
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klikger
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 05/09/2004 : 22:35:14
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| I'd be upset, too. What a knob. Even without the lies, it was a poorly written uninformative review. |
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chick
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Canada
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Posted - 05/10/2004 : 01:09:52
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| yeah, this guy seems like an ass.I don't know what that article was all about. It didn't even seem like he was a fan, especially when it takes him a month to write a shit review like that. Were people really crying? I don't know of many fourteen year old girls who like the pixies,(or even know who they are), that would be kinda funny though.I could see myself crying if I couldn't get into the show.It almost happened too. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 05/10/2004 : 01:42:33
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I'm not a tall guy, but are tall guys suppose to feel guilty about getting upfront? Are they suppose to spend their lives lurking in the backrow?
If pushing and shoving are forgiven because it rock and roll, why the hell should he care about the people behind him. |
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madtempest
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 05/10/2004 : 07:16:46
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| Wow, I was at the journalists tables for a little while and i didn't see any of this, but then it was so packed anywhere you went it's not surprising. Crazy |
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gunner
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 05/10/2004 : 09:00:47
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Excellent reply Logan....I think you've nailed it.
Any reviewer who is any good will take into account the feelings and reactions of the audience. If he is the only guy in the place who is not enjoying himself and he writes a shit review, then he should find another line of work.
Not only did this guy trash the show, but he trashed the fans. I sincerly hope he does not make a living doing this.
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roomloo
= Cult of Ray =
USA
710 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2004 : 09:03:07
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Yeah, he sounds very condescending and bitter. If there is an audience who enjoys that sort of writing, I kind of feel sorry for them.
I think it's a pretty safe bet this guy does not get paid to write. |
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roomloo
= Cult of Ray =
USA
710 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2004 : 09:07:54
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| Also, if some guy were 7 feet tall AND was at a historic show AND said show was by one of their favorite bands of all time, I would not begrudge their right to a front row spot. Even the considerate tall guys need their day in the sun. But this sounds like one of the people who bugged me from the start -- those who somehow scored tickets to this show and decided to hold onto their ticket for dear life merely because they could say they were at this "historic" show, not because they had any plans of having a great time. I mean come on, does this sound like someone who at any point was expecting the time of his life on 4/13? He was determined to not enjoy it from the start. |
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roomloo
= Cult of Ray =
USA
710 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2004 : 09:10:11
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| Also, I still maintain the name Jim Froelich as a candidate for being The Realist. Condescending sonofabitch. |
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ShaunWestphal
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Posted - 05/10/2004 : 09:41:37
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This guy is a tool. From what I gathered in reading his review, the main point he was trying to make was that everyone there was so enthralled with the idea of a Pixies show that they couldn't objectively review it, or criticize the band. However in making said point, he didn't give much of a review himself. I'll admit, the Pixies could have stood onstage and played terrible, unrecognizable versions of their songs and the first words out of my mouth would have been, "that was awesome," but I'm also not afraid to admit that it was less than perfect musically...so what? I think it makes him feel better about himself to try to be the only one there that could leave saying the show was just ok. My problem with his review is that only about an eighth of it was written about the band and their performance (not even really supporting his average opinion of the show) and the rest was about how actual fans of the band scoring tickets kept the "hipster" crowd (that he's obviously pretty excited to claim to be a part of) to a minimum (and also the filler about the fictional Canadian midget). What a dumbass. It's his job to be objective, it was our job to watch (and enjoy) our favorite band.
The more I read (re-read) my response, the more it doesn't make sense. I hope I made some kind of point.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/10/2004 : 10:19:23
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Th elink didn't work for me, but I can tell from your post mattb, that this guy is an ass!!!
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!! |
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roomloo
= Cult of Ray =
USA
710 Posts |
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PacoPaco
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Posted - 05/10/2004 : 11:55:33
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"Ok this is true as well he stood in front of the railing while the ten people behind him couldn't see. I'm sure they loved you for that asshole. It's historic so he had to block people's views."
Dude, get over your height insecurities. I'm 6'3", and I go to a lot of concerts. I'm always conscious of my height, and I never push my way in front of other people. However, I don't feel I need to stand in the back or against a side wall just to people can see better. That's not my fault. If you're short, get there early and get a good spot. When I saw the Pixies last month, I got to the venue very early and got a very good spot. Were there people behind me whose views I blocked? Probably. You know what, they should have gotten there early if they wanted a better view. That's what I did, and I make no apologies for it. HOWEVER, and this is important, I didn't push my way in front of everyone. They showed up later than I did, and that's the price you pay. It's called life, and people need to deal with it. |
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mattb
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
474 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2004 : 11:55:43
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Originally posted by madtempest
Wow, I was at the journalists tables for a little while and i didn't see any of this, but then it was so packed anywhere you went it's not surprising. Crazy
We were just to the left of the journalist's table but like I said nothing really happened so there wasn't much to see.
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mattb
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
474 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2004 : 12:10:35
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Originally posted by PacoPaco
"Ok this is true as well he stood in front of the railing while the ten people behind him couldn't see. I'm sure they loved you for that asshole. It's historic so he had to block people's views."
Dude, get over your height insecurities. I'm 6'3", and I go to a lot of concerts. I'm always conscious of my height, and I never push my way in front of other people. However, I don't feel I need to stand in the back or against a side wall just to people can see better. That's not my fault. If you're short, get there early and get a good spot. When I saw the Pixies last month, I got to the venue very early and got a very good spot. Were there people behind me whose views I blocked? Probably. You know what, they should have gotten there early if they wanted a better view. That's what I did, and I make no apologies for it. HOWEVER, and this is important, I didn't push my way in front of everyone. They showed up later than I did, and that's the price you pay. It's called life, and people need to deal with it.
Dude, Did you read what I read? This guy wasn't even in my way and I was trying to push my way in front of him. Unless you can call me asking him if I can stand in front of him for the last few songs pushing my way. In terms of him blocking people's views the only comment I was trying to make is to show what a stupid fuck he was by taking this mightier than thou attitude towards the issue. It runs through the entire first half of his "review" and it's hillarious. He obviously has some sort of complex about it since from what I could see no one was "grabbing his shoulder" or "peering through his legs". It's as if he was standing there, thought he was being an asshole but trying to justify it by laughing off a fictional character that is loosely based on me to make light of a situation which he clearly felt guilt for in his mind. I have nothing against tall people standing in the front at shows and by no menas should they be corraled to the back of the venue but his comments regarding his height ALONG with other things he said show what his character is like.
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roomloo
= Cult of Ray =
USA
710 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2004 : 12:29:49
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| Like I said Paco, there's nothing wrong with getting way in front if you really love the band. Actually, there's nothing wrong with it regardless (assuming you don't push) but if I were to somehow find myself up front at a Justin Timberlake concert -- don't laugh at me, this is hypothetical -- blocking the views of throngs of screaming (and short) teenage girls, I would feel bad and move out of the way. Based on this dude's attitude toward the Pixies and us fans (they being Justin Timberlake, we being the teenage girls) I don't see much difference. |
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ivebeentired
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USA
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Posted - 05/10/2004 : 12:36:13
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| all i can picture when i read that guys review was that snobby guy in the new Dawn of the Dead remake. you know the guy with the boat. its prolly just me that sees that but oh well |
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astrocat
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USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2004 : 18:16:08
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I am 5'4". I have a lot of experience with getting to a show, staking out a place where I can see and then, as the show starts some tall guy comes and gets right in front of me. It happens almost every time I go to a show, whether I am in the front or back or somewhere in the middle. If Paco means short people should get there early to get right at the front barrier...well, then small people have to contend with big guys trying to wrench them from the barrier to get their spot. The big guys don't do this to other big guys, only the small people they know they have a size advantage over. I don't think the problem is solved for short people by getting to shows early. I wish it was that simple.
Hurray if you are one of the very few considerate tall guys at shows! But my experience tells me most are not. |
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sarah spinart
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Posted - 05/10/2004 : 18:39:36
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My experience is same as astrocat's - honestly, half the time it won't even be a crowded show, adn some guy at least six inches taller than me comes and stands in front of me. that's rude and inconsiderate.
also, isn't the goal to be able to see? getting somewhere early and/or loving a band and wanting to be up close is one thing, but if you're six feet tall and everyone in front of you is five four, and you still need to be in the front row, you're an asshole. |
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porkbone1
= Cult of Ray =
USA
390 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2004 : 19:16:00
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Wow! Matt you are not only immortalized on the now-priceless Disclive CD of the Minneapolis show, but you managed to be the subject of this guy's review! I think he had a crush on you or something. Based on his review, apparently you left more of an impression on him than the show did! He was probably standing in front of you hoping you would rub up against his backside in a sexy-sexy way!
Here's my favorite quote however:
"The Pixies were the Bob Seger of late 80’s college rock"
WTF does that mean? The Pixies are the Bob Seger of what? Does that mean that "Where is my Mind" is the "Old Time Rock and Roll" -- or better -- the "Like a Rock" of indie music? I don't even know where to go with this... except to Walmart.com where you can buy this great album!!! WOOT!!
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=846386&cat=5093&type=4&dept=4104&path=0%3A4104%3A4118%3A5093%3A22701
Hmm.
Well Matt, what can I say? You make an impression on people. Being a short troll-like person who screams and reaches out at everything he sees, I can see how people would have been scared by you. Imagine what he would have said if you had your real camera in there? Probably something about the impressive size of your shaft -- ER -- lens.
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astrocat
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USA
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Posted - 05/11/2004 : 01:59:38
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What I get from that review is:
1) He's always thought the Pixies were overrated.
2) He was only there for the good drinks, as a good scenester should be.
3) Like porkpone said, he must have a crush on Matt. A journalist covets every bit of space he can get and he spent half this piece talking about Matt. And that part of the review doesn't even mesh with the intelligentsia style of the rest of it. He's kind of giddy in that part. Definitely eager to tell his mostly made up story. I know girls that will imagine a lot happening, that did not in fact happen, when they have a big crush on a guy. Stuff like, "He pressed his body against me," when really it was only that he stumbled into her after tripping. Sound familiar? |
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roomloo
= Cult of Ray =
USA
710 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2004 : 06:19:21
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| porkbone, that was brilliant. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2004 : 09:15:40
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Originally posted by sarah spinart
My experience is same as astrocat's - honestly, half the time it won't even be a crowded show, adn some guy at least six inches taller than me comes and stands in front of me. that's rude and inconsiderate.
also, isn't the goal to be able to see? getting somewhere early and/or loving a band and wanting to be up close is one thing, but if you're six feet tall and everyone in front of you is five four, and you still need to be in the front row, you're an asshole.
Taller people don't have better eyes. I don't blame them if they want to be closer to their rock & roll heros.
Sure, pushing people out of your way is extremely lame, and it's not just big guys pushing their way forward. Some women think they can work their way forward by batting their eyes at the guys. Also lame. |
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roomloo
= Cult of Ray =
USA
710 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2004 : 09:21:16
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| In Spokane some chick put her hand on my arm and said "you know how long I've waited for this?" and before I could finish saying "12 years?" she had already butted in front of me and the guy ahead of me. I wanted to say "you asshole!" but it was also sort of amusing, I guess. |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 05/11/2004 : 13:10:10
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Originally posted by ShaunWestphal
This guy is a tool.
I agree with ShaunWestphal...and I agree with the others that he's not a journalist. I used to be a journalist and yes some are scum sucking leaches with big-time agendas. Alot of times it is the news agency that owns them that pressures the news department to twist things around. What anyone has to do is to look at media coverage from a variety of sources and owners...and say what is my opinion after reading/listening to all the stories.
After looking at this "journalist" in question here... it doesn't fit with the rest of the reviews of the shows that reported the Pixies sounded as good or if not better. It's pretty clear that he is one of those people who gets off negative attention. |
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almostredd
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Posted - 05/11/2004 : 13:40:30
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Hi Kids-
Someone was nice enough to send me the link to this discussion and while I don't generally feel the need to defend my reviews, you seem like a decent lot so here goes:
<I am not a professional journalist. Well duh. I'm just a guy who goes to shows and was asked to give my impressions.
<I am app. 6'4" tall. I was standing on that spot at the rail from BEFORE the time the doors opened. I didn't move in front of anyone. I got there first and didn't move all night. I'm not as big a fan as you guys but a fan just the same.
<Most of the information at the begining was gleaned from a brief, drunken discussion with the "little guy" during the encore. Sorry if I got a bit of it wrong. Of course there was some minor embellishment to make it more interesting. Writers do that. That's why he wasn't named. I mean, what good am I if I can't make fun of Canadians?
<Matt - don't be so defensive, buddy.
<I like the Pixies a lot. The line about Bob Seger simply meant that they were ubiquitous in their day. I thought it was a good, not great show.
<Oh fuck it...it seems like all the hysterical vitriol on this board just validates my point about the fans. I obviously struck a nerve.
I'm going to go away now and I promise to NEVER write about the Pixies or individual members/side-projects again. Part of writing is accepting criticism which I do with gratitude. All your comments will help me be a better writer in the future and I truly appreciate your input. I've got a couple of reviews from 2003 plus the Tiffany show in march and I'd be grateful for your opinions on those as well.
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
5305 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2004 : 14:01:59
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| Thanks almostredd for comming on here and sharing your opinions. Thanks for being so openminded and open to feedback....we hope you come back to the forum in the future...Thanks! |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2004 : 14:06:58
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That could've gone much worse. Thanks for coming by and being civil about it.
I have to say though, that I completely understand Matt being upset even if he wasn't named. It might've been better to not have taken anything factual and mixed it in with the embellishments. Keep the two separate.
I'm not a writer, I don't know what I'm talking about, perhaps, but that's my opinion on that.
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roomloo
= Cult of Ray =
USA
710 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2004 : 14:09:20
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| Hey Jim, I did share my opinion on your Tiffany article. I thought it was pretty good. |
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astrocat
- FB Fan -
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2004 : 20:43:17
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I agree with Cult_of_Frank that a writer, whether a journalist or not, shouldn't be mixing an admittedly embellished story into a review of a concert that most people would reasonably believe was a factual account.
The portion of the piece that was actually a concert review of the Pixies performance was fine in my opinion, in that it seemed pretty factual and merely expressed the opinion of the reviewer about the performance. It was all the other commentary, the embellished story and put-downs that bothered me. It made it seem that JF was much more concerned with an agenda than with reviewing a concert.
About the height issues: I will be the first to admit girls are just as bad about pushing in front of people. At the only Pixies show I was up front in the fray, the Victoria show, I had a much worse time with the girls around me very aggressively trying to push their way in front of me than with guys doing that. And girls do often use that, "I've waited so long to see them" line that drives me nuts! But the issue we were discussing was about tall people blocking other people's view. Being that the vast majority of tall people at shows are guys, I felt it was fine to label them as such. When a girl of average, or even a little taller, height pushes her way in front of me, annoying as it is, I and most other people can generally still see. |
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I can't believe how jouranlists lie
