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the man who is too loud
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 Posted - 05/07/2004 : 04:34:45
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Some time ago I made a poll with the question 'Best solo career, Charles or Kim?' There's more than 100 votes now and Charles is losing! I don't think I like that outcome and I just wanted to ask you to pay a short visit to http://www.pixiesmusic.com/forum/index.php?showforum=8
, and to cast your vote if you feel like 'cause most FB fans are on this forum so the outcome is not a good representation. Well , that's it. Vote Frank! |
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =
394 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2004 : 05:57:54
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| just did. it can not happen. it is truly untrue. |
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mariggy
- FB Fan -
Japan
65 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2004 : 06:17:46
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I have voted Frank just now. 
The Breeders is not bad, but sometimes I feel bored of them.
FB's works are really full of variety, I'm excited by them whenever I listen to.
I join The Broken English Club. ---It's educational. |
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the man who is too loud
- FB Fan -
33 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2004 : 07:26:02
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| OK, ten more FRank votes and it least it's a draw |
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2004 : 07:38:20
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if i was being perfectly honest, i would have voted for the breeders up until DITS was released.
 "I joined the Cult of Frank / I think that man deserves a DB!" |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6196 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2004 : 09:03:34
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what is best solo career?
kim sold more copies of one album
frank had at least 7 more albums than kim had
kim didn't tour that much
frank toured the whole world
but kim played for 150,000 people once
what's better?
frank moved away from indiepop, but showed that he was a faboulus writer no mather what genre
he played (like kristin hersh said on the dvd)
breeders were THE indiepop act around Last Splash-era
what's better?
I still voted for fb though
 "I joined the Cult of Frank/Nobody wanted to join my Culf" |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2004 : 09:36:48
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My take:
Selling more copies of an album - Britney sells more still than both put together, but that doesn't make it good.
More albums - Presuming you think both are good and are deadlocked (if one was a clear winner, why would you be evaluating these factors?), then more of a good thing is better.
Touring - Not really sure that this makes a difference either, though Frank playing small, cool gigs instead of 150,000 people ones is probably an advantage.
Indie-pop - again, not really relevant unless, as Jop later says, you consider staying in that one genre vs diversifying. Again, FB wins this hands down.
Seems that FB's holding all the cards. Not to say I don't like the Breeders, I do, but FB is the clear winner.
 "Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2004 : 09:58:14
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| Solo career? Has Kim Deal ever had a solo career? They're both great. |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2004 : 10:43:53
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I am surprised there is even any debate over who has the best (or shall we say, most interesting) solo career.
Though I don't think it really matters who has the best one.
Just quit a cult / going through withdrawal |
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2004 : 14:31:20
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sure, kim has released many less records than frank, but quality-wise all of kims have been top-notch, whereas some of franks have not been.
of course this is all subjective, but if i was to rank their post-pixies records from beginning to end, kim's 3 would probably occupy in higher positions than franks, with pod on the top.
"I joined the Cult of Frank / I think that man deserves a DB!" |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2004 : 14:36:27
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Give me a break, this is apples and oranges. Best based on what? You can't compare quality or quantity or anything like that. If it means anything, Title TK was my favorite album of 2002 (over BLD and DW). Frank's own solo career is definitely not one dimensional as far as style goes. I think they both kick equal amounts of ass.
Boycott cults and t's |
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2004 : 14:44:25
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Originally posted by El Barto
Give me a break, this is apples and oranges. Best based on what?
but then so is saying that franks better than britney.
but then we all think (and know) that....
just because it's not "provable" doesn't mean it's not worthy of discussion.
"I joined the Cult of Frank / I think that man deserves a DB!" |
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therewererumours
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1240 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2004 : 16:55:00
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I heard Joey does the gutair parts in Toxic
He's coming to save your mind and town |
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Bluish Black
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
108 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2004 : 02:57:42
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Just voted for Frank and the scores are equal now.
In my opinion you should base it on how you rank the songs not the albums. In my opinion Frank would have 9 out of the ten best songs. I would put him level pegging against the Pixies too. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6196 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2004 : 03:40:28
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Originally posted by therewererumours
I heard Joey does the gutair parts in Toxic
He's coming to save your mind and town
I love toxic!!! The surf guitar the (fake?) strings
the beats, even the singing. Britney Spears songs are often
written by intelligent songwriters if you ask me
"I joined the Cult of Frank/Nobody wanted to join my Culf" |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6196 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2004 : 03:43:55
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
My take:
Selling more copies of an album - Britney sells more still than both put together, but that doesn't make it good.
More albums - Presuming you think both are good and are deadlocked (if one was a clear winner, why would you be evaluating these factors?), then more of a good thing is better.
Touring - Not really sure that this makes a difference either, though Frank playing small, cool gigs instead of 150,000 people ones is probably an advantage.
Indie-pop - again, not really relevant unless, as Jop later says, you consider staying in that one genre vs diversifying. Again, FB wins this hands down.
Seems that FB's holding all the cards. Not to say I don't like the Breeders, I do, but FB is the clear winner.
"Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened"
Yes, I think all the things I said were unrelevant, I just wanted to show it's difficult to say who's better. Unless, you are guided by your own taste, which I tend do to...
One more point:
Frank really went solo
but Kim was still in a band
that was once a side project
are the breeders her solo project?
I doubt it, she even said in a documentary
that she doesn't like to be a singer/songwriter type
but wants to be in a band, that's why it took so long after Last Splash
she couldn't get the right band
"I joined the Cult of Frank/Nobody wanted to join my Culf" |
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offerw
* Dog in the Sand *
South Africa
1264 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2004 : 04:54:40
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I remember the thrill of hearing Frank's first solo album after the Pixies split. Since then he has entertained me with lots more brilliant records. The same with the Breeders. I am just happy to keep on getting good records from both. No need to compare, they're both huge talents and will continue making good records.
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Edited by - offerw on 05/08/2004 04:55:11 |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
1446 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2004 : 06:38:54
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What is this, 1993?
The Black Breeders would be a really terrible tribute band name. |
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TameReg
- FB Fan -
USA
110 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 10:07:49
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Just voted for Frank.
(I do like the Breeders though.) |
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blues_punk
- FB Fan -
Canada
3 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 12:04:42
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Easily Frank. Just cast my vote. As I said there, the Breeders are great, but nowhere near as unique or inspired as FB stuff. Only my humble opinion, of course.
invictus maneo |
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snorkel
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
3 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 14:05:21
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In a penalty shoot out Pong will probably mean FB would beat KD. Unless One Divine Hammer shifted the posts far enough.
gropefor luna |
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the man who is too loud
- FB Fan -
33 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 15:51:27
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that's more how I like it. Thanks to the voters.
And yes,the poll is a bit irrelevant... |
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Helmut
= Cult of Ray =
315 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 21:23:36
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| Of course people are going to be biased toward Frank Black since this forum is dedicated to the man...I'm sure Kim would be getting more support than FB on noaloha.com....they are both unique in their own way. |
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
2873 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2004 : 23:30:48
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If we are talking about popularity, Kim is without discussion the winner. Frank and she will be agree at that point. If we talk about music quality, all will agree (And both Kim and Frank) he is the Man.
"Join the Cult of the whore at the door / And You'll find no answers, but real fun" |
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2004 : 16:47:24
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Me like the Breeders, but there music doesn't make my brain work too much, it's candy to my ears. On the other hand, frank sends me in a whirl, so much going on, you need more than one listen.
frank vs breeders. frank vs kim......frank pins......1..2..3.....it's all over. frank wins. again.
and no biase. no aloha. love them both. |
Edited by - frank black conspiracy on 12/13/2004 16:48:16 |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2004 : 17:06:12
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2004 : 17:12:28
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Nope. Just replying to a thread I haven't read before. And I had a little something to add. I'm bored, it's late and not much else to do tonight except sleep. So thought I'd scan the archives of my favourite site, if you don't mind that is?
If you got a new thread on the man and his music, much appreciated. |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1036 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2004 : 01:31:49
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quote:
Originally posted by the man who is too loud
Some time ago I made a poll with the question 'Best solo career, Charles or Kim?' There's more than 100 votes now and Charles is losing! I don't think I like that outcome
these are the ghosts you called, my friend. you messed with the devil, and now you have to pay.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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4109 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2004 : 01:51:45
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Frank is definitely the MAN, sorry Kim, but heīs my hero!
And heīs music is much better, not that I donīt like the Breeders, but I agree with FBC,it doesnīt make my brain work too much either!
i've never done good things
i've never done bad things
i never did anything out of the blue
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MarilynGuru
- FB Fan -
USA
1 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2004 : 03:14:29
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Hello, I just joined the forum so I thought this would be an apt place to begin discussing. There's no point in talking about, at this point on this forum, who the better artist is because it's pretty clear that Frank is. But, I really do love the Breeders, too. And the one Amps album is really awesome along with it; it's solidly good music but it didn't realign my universe like Teenager of the Year did.
If anything, Kim Deal's career has been hampered by a lack of ambition; what I hear when I listen to her things is a person making good music who is capable of way more if she pushed her ideas forward. So that's my take- enjoyable music, but Frank is more enjoyable because he's doing something that's challenging himself to write better songs and make neater sounds. Way more whole-hearted. |
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gboy
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
12 Posts |
Posted - 12/15/2004 : 06:20:26
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| I love Franks Solo stuff, Cult of Ray is classic, and as a song writer i think Frank is second to no-one, including the lovely Kim Deal whom is pretty sweet but Franks the man! |
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FB vs. Breeders
