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Bartholomew
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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 Posted - 05/04/2004 : 06:11:04
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 06:19:52
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Stranger Than Paradise, Mystery Train, Dead Man, Night On Earth, Ghost Dog, in that order IMO. Haven't seen Coffee and Cigarettes yet. He also acts in the Paul Auster movie Blue In The Face, and is quite funny.
Here's him interviewing the White Stripes: http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m1285/4_33/100572738/print.jhtml
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 06:44:18
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| John Lurie, from Stranger Than Paradise and Down By Law also appears in Wayne Wang's Blue in the Face...playing music outside the cigar store. By The way, you may wanna check out "Box of Moonlight" from Tom Dicillo (he was Jarmusch's cinematographer)...I find that Jarmusch gets a lot of credit for what is essentially Dicillo's input. (not to take too much away from Jarmusch)....anyways, Box of Moonlight is partially the reason actor Sam Rockwell is so sought after nowadays. The three essential Jarmusch films, however, are Stranger Than Paradise, Down By Law and Mystery Train (it could be argued that he has lost his 'edge' since then). |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 07:13:16
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Originally posted by frank_black_francis
By The way, you may wanna check out "Box of Moonlight" from Tom Dicillo (he was Jarmusch's cinematographer)...I find that Jarmusch gets a lot of credit for what is essentially Dicillo's input. (not to take too much away from Jarmusch)....
what do you mean? can you give an example of something you think was Dicillo's input in a Jarmusch film?
Tom Dicillo essentially only shot one of Jarmusch's feature films, STRANGER THAN PARADISE. he also shot PERMANENT VACATION and COFFEE AND CIGARETTES (shorter films - on of them later revisited and soon to be released), but other than that Jarmusch has worked with Robby Muller on every film. and his visual style has remained very similar throughout.
i think Jim Jarmusch's films are very much his.
i love LIVING IN OBLIVION, but other than that i think Tom Dicillo's work is hurting since then. |
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mariggy
- FB Fan -
Japan
65 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 07:59:56
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You remember the "song notes by Frank Black" included in "complete B sides", don't you?
He said,
"I always loved this one. I asked the engineer to speed the tape up when I did the vocals because I thought I would sound more like Screamin' Jay Hawkins ,I probably had just seen Stranger Than Paradise."(about Dancing The Manta Ray)
I read the note and wanted to watch that film. ......It was very interesting!
It shows the people who always miss each other. People don't mesh with each other-----that's life, I think. Anyway the next one is Stranger Than Paradise.
I join The Broken English Club. ---It's educational. |
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soundofataris
= Cult of Ray =
USA
715 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 08:04:46
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I always felt Stranger Than Paradise lagged a bit. After Down by Law, I'd check Mystery Train and the excellent Dead Man, especially if you like the idea of a Johnny Depp western. DM also boast Robert Mitchem, which wins it a lot of badass points. Night on Earth can be skipped.
On a side note, Jim Jarmusch also appeared in the pilot episode of John Lurie's excellent televison show, Fishing With John, that used to be on IFC a couple of years ago. There's a Criteron Dics available of all six episodes that I suggest everyone should buy. Its a sardonic fishing show hosted by John Lurie in which he fishes in exotic locals with celebrities, such as dennis hopper, tom waits, and William Defoe. The Jarmusch episode finds them shark fishing off of Montauk. The narrator is very funny. Goodbye
Some like wine and some like hops but what I really love is my scotch |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 08:06:32
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Stanger TP seems to be about boredom also, and I found it fascinating. I called over to a friend's apartment to find him on his own, stood leaning against the fridge with a bottle of beer in hand. We'd caught him in the middle of a Stranger Than Paradise moment was the only way to describe it.
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 08:58:54
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Mystery Train is incredible
-brian
 - "I joined the Cult of Frank / And they tried to cut off my nuts and make me put on a blue jumpsuit"
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1973 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2004 : 09:21:40
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I've only seen Ghost Dog and Coffee and cigarettes, and liked them very much...
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 05/04/2004 : 23:41:32
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The most memorable part of Stranger Than Paradise for me is:
Willie: You're sure you don't want a TV dinner?
Eva: Yes. I'm not hungry. Why is it called TV dinner?
Willie: Um... You're supposed to eat it while you watch TV. Television.
Eva: I know what a TV is. Where does that meat come from?
Willie: What do you mean?
Eva: What does that meat come from?
Willie: I guess it comes from a cow.
Eva: From a cow? It doesn't even look like meat.
Willie: Eva, stop bugging me, will you? You know, this is the way we eat in America. I got my meat, I got my potatoes, I got my vegetables, I got my dessert, and I don't even have to wash the dishes.
I like the whole film, but that's my favorite part.
I've been meaning to see some more Jarmusch films. Other than Strange Than Paradise, I've seen Mystery Train and Ghost Dog and liked both of those films quite a bit.
"(insert clever quote here)" |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 05/05/2004 : 08:18:18
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A selection of a few favorite lines from Stranger:
"They're good."
"You picked up on that?" (after the card game)
"Does Cleveland look anything like Budapest?"
"Poor guy. You shouldn't give him a hard time."
"I don't know any Core-guy. Who the fuck is Core-guy?"
"No. I am really his cousin."
I've seen Stranger at least 15 times. |
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =
Equatorial Guinea
649 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2004 : 16:58:59
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So we saw Coffee and Cigarettes this past weekend. All things considered, I really liked this movie, but there were enough flat spots that made me think he could have done more with it. I might need to watch it again to see if the squawking harpie and her uncomfortable date next to us kept me from missing the finer subtleties. Dating tip: do not use elements of a movie as an excuse to loudly explain things about yourself (likes, dislikes, family history) WHILE STILL IN A THEATER. They should legalize stun guns.
I have to respectfully disagree with soundofataris. Night on Earth should not be skipped. I think this is a phenomenal film. I also will reiterate the recommendation for Down By Law. Amazing.
I have yet to see a Jarmusch film I actually even find boring, much less dislike.
*festoon* |
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soundofataris
= Cult of Ray =
USA
715 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2004 : 19:12:35
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well, as long as you're respectful about it.
Kerry in a landslide! |
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2004 : 00:43:07
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I just got a Blockbuster "no limits" rental thingy for this month so I think I'll rent a few Jarmusch movies. I've seen a few and have liked some but Ghost Dog was just terrible. I know people hate this comparison, but I really like Dicillo a lot more. He did the cinematography for "Coffee and Cigarettes" right? I really need to rent that and "Double Whammy" though I doubt Blockbuster will have them.
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 07/08/2004 : 00:47:53
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This now on my "to do"list...
merci d'essayer de m'apprendre le francais hehehahhahehehaha |
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cvanepps
= Cult of Ray =
USA
442 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2004 : 05:24:28
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quote:
Originally posted by BLT
A selection of a few favorite lines from Stranger:
"They're good."
"You picked up on that?" (after the card game)
"Does Cleveland look anything like Budapest?"
"Poor guy. You shouldn't give him a hard time."
"I don't know any Core-guy. Who the fuck is Core-guy?"
"No. I am really his cousin."
I've seen Stranger at least 15 times.
Ha! One of my early songs features a sample from Stranger Than Paradise. The part that goes..."Can you imagine working in a factory?" "No, I can't."
-= It's not easy to kidnap a fat man =-
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2004 : 08:03:20
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Originally posted by SpudBoy
So we saw Coffee and Cigarettes this past weekend. All things considered, I really liked this movie, but there were enough flat spots that made me think he could have done more with it. I might need to watch it again to see if the squawking harpie and her uncomfortable date next to us kept me from missing the finer subtleties. Dating tip: do not use elements of a movie as an excuse to loudly explain things about yourself (likes, dislikes, family history) WHILE STILL IN A THEATER. They should legalize stun guns.
I have to respectfully disagree with soundofataris. Night on Earth should not be skipped. I think this is a phenomenal film. I also will reiterate the recommendation for Down By Law. Amazing.
I have yet to see a Jarmusch film I actually even find boring, much less dislike.
*festoon*
I pretty much agree with you when you say that a lot more could have been done - some parts are really good, some others are terribly average. Still a very good film, in my opinion. |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2004 : 09:34:15
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My lowly 2 cents: for anyone just getting into Jarmusch, you'd be best served seeing "Down by Law" and "Stranger than Paradise", in that order, FIRST. The other stuff just isn't as quality, IMHO.
I wish he'd get his act together. I enjoy his other work because his vision still seeps through, but I think he's been resting on his laurels for way too long. "Coffee and Cigarettes" seemed like an artist's attempt to show a retrospective of their work with only some random half-formed ideas from a few sketchbooks nailed to the gallery walls. I still enjoyed the scenes with Gza, Rza, and Bill Murray, and the one with the Tesla coil, and a few others.
 RIP Little Bucharest: Yuppies. They don't eat goulash. |
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/13/2004 : 02:27:01
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I can't believe I missed the resurfacing of this topic.
I just watched Down By Law for the first time recently and it was an absolutely stunning film. I had to watch it twice to really absorb it's genius. What amazes me about Jarmusch films is that, while they often seem slow the first time, they actually seem to move even slower the second time, because I'm waiting for the key parts to happen and didn't realize upon initially viewing it how long some parts were, like the scenes where nothing much happens will go on and on, but I didn't realize that the first time since I didn't know what was coming next. And I don't remember being bored by those slow parts the first time because I was so wrapped up in simply observing the characters and the world around them and just wondering where this film was going. Oh man, it's late and I'm just rambling about Jarmusch.
Anyway, Down By Law, Stranger Than Paradise and Mystery Train; they're all equally brilliant to me. And Ghost Dog ain't so bad either. I need to see more Jarmusch.
"There is a new craze in the nation/ it is lamination/ we like to laminate/ we laminate our driver's license/ so cannot be changed" |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2004 : 06:22:55
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Soooo good. Like Fellini made a prisonbreak movie.
-Owen |
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
1965 Posts |
Posted - 07/13/2004 : 11:35:13
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It's funny, because Jarmusch tells a story about talking with Fellini about why he (Jarmusch) doesn't like to dub his movies into other languages. Jarmusch feels that dubbing over an actor's voice loses the performance because a big reason for casting an actor is their voice and the way they say things. Fellini felt differently because he dubs over actors all the time. Rarely are the visual and the sound from the same take. Sometimes he would just have his actors count and then figure out the dialogue later on.
"There is a new craze in the nation/ it is lamination/ we like to laminate/ we laminate our driver's license/ so cannot be changed" |
Edited by - TarTar on 07/13/2004 11:36:17 |
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