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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 04/27/2004 : 10:06:57
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 04/27/2004 : 10:27:08
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"Thalassocracy" is clearly indicative of Frank Black's desire to rule the high seas with his naval fleet.
j/k... I have no idea, actually. Neither the Catholics nor the Pixies are a particularly "political" band.
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Adam
= Cult of Ray =
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 04/27/2004 : 11:00:35
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| All My Ghosts, possibly. Where he mentions cloning. But that would be a good stretch. |
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
1972 Posts |
Posted - 04/27/2004 : 11:24:13
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Perhaps unrelated, but this makes me want these two 'albums':
http://www.popmatters.com/music/reviews/b/blackfrank-devils.shtml
...and this makes me want to go back to 1993 and punch this guy in the mouth. Truly, there is an interesting juxtapostion between his attitude then vs now.
http://www.anti.matter.com/fblack.html
Rather than keep bumping this, I'm gonna just edit this post to include interesting FB interviews I find...not that it matters or is related to the thread...just doin it for the hell of it.
Mondo2000 interview from 1993:
"M2: Now that you can officially look back, what do you think were your best Pixies songs or albums?
FB: Well, i thought that "Bossanova" was probably the best record. I don't really listen to them, though. Once you make 'em, man, you've heard them from every possible angle. I've heard them more than the most ardent fan will ever hear them. I don't have a lot of nostalgia for them, not just yet. If someone wants to hear me wax nostalgic about my records, talk to me in ten years. [laughs] At the moment, I'm just fucking sick of them. "
http://dag.wieers.com/debaser/docs/blackfra.php
6:00 PM EST.
Gosh - isn't it great when all the focking stockbrokers log off and go home and the bandwidth on this board goes back up?
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 04/27/2004 : 11:42:28
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| Big Red is an obvious reference to the rise of communism or not. |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 04/27/2004 : 12:07:31
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| Humboldt County Massacre, 21 Reasons, California Bound are all about native Californians getting fucked over by Europeans. |
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Conrad
- FB Fan -
Iceland
89 Posts |
Posted - 04/27/2004 : 12:19:05
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Freedom Rock is about freedom. ;)
 "I met a man / and I have dearly paid"
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misleadtheworld
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/27/2004 : 12:52:24
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All I can think of is the 'like capitalist, like communist' in U-Mass. THAT, is about it I suppose.
...and that's not even saying much about his opinion. I don't think he sees it his place to talk about politics in music?
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1938 Posts |
Posted - 04/27/2004 : 13:21:47
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I'm under the impression that not much, if any of Frank's music has themes; it's mostly just retellings of stories and what-not, which is okay and he does it great, but no, I don't think there are any songs of his that show political leanings. That's an extremely good review of BLD and DW by-the-way, probably the best review of one of Frank's albums I've ever seen, and yes, that other guy needs to get his ass kicked.
ˇViva los Católicos! |
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2459 Posts |
Posted - 04/27/2004 : 13:34:43
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Weird, I resurrected Black Letter Days today, and now I read that. I like the record. Earthy.
'Took his plane to Columbia/So I could sell at my school" |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 04/28/2004 : 00:43:58
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I've Been Tired talks about left-wingers (cause she been down South and held peasants in her arms...).
Denis
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2004 : 16:49:45
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"Dead" comes out against King David. I guess that's political, in a way. Sort of.
I've reached 1000 posts / So I'm too cool to be in a cult. |
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johndietzel
= Cult of Ray =
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
464 Posts |
Posted - 04/29/2004 : 22:21:29
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"Dead" comes out against King David. I guess that's political, in a way. Sort of.
I've reached 1000 posts / So I'm too cool to be in a cult.
It never does come out against him. It's a first person narrative, which could lend one to "surmise" that Frank is all about the monarchy, or considers himself a king.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 04/29/2004 : 22:27:46
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Originally posted by NimrodsSon
I'm under the impression that not much, if any of Frank's music has themes; it's mostly just retellings of stories and what-not, which is okay and he does it great,
i would argue that most of his songs still have "themes".. even the ones that are retellings of stories, or enigmatic riddles.. themes emerge from them, whether intended or not.
i don't think much of his stuff is political though. or, overtly political. but then someone could argue that politics is always underlining a work of art in some way. but he's not writing song about apartheid or whatever.. |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 04/30/2004 : 03:02:00
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Frank is definitely for terraforming Mars. That's kind of a political position. ("Robert Onion", "Big Red")
There's a few songs that could be addressing ecological concerns. Some lines from "Cult of Ray" (the song) might be about that.
While I've never analyzed the lyrics (or even seen them transcribed), I've always thought "Pray a Little Faster" is Frank mocking religion. |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 04/30/2004 : 03:13:43
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There's an audio interview circa Dog in the Sand somewhere on the net where Frank says he voted for Ralph Nader in the 2000 election.
Possibly stretching the defintion of political, Frank actively dislikes rampant advertising ("I've Seen Your Picture", "White Noise Maker"). He's talked about how he's thrown away any stickers that have been made for his band. This might also be why The Catholics haven't sold any T-shirts for years now.
(The Pixies reunion being a pure money gig, he might not care as much in that case. So we get new stickers, etc.) |
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misleadtheworld
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1222 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2004 : 03:51:22
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There are new stickers?!
It's getting colder.... |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
1446 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2004 : 04:27:33
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| Someone on one of the forums here posted pics of the stickers being sold on the Pixies tour. Maybe some nice person will chime in with a link to that thread. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2004 : 07:25:13
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"Dead" comes out against King David. I guess that's political, in a way. Sort of.
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It never does come out against him. It's a first person narrative, which could lend one to "surmise" that Frank is all about the monarchy, or considers himself a king.
The song is sung from David's point of view, but it sort of implies that he's a rapist, and I'm pretty sure Frank said something about the story being sexually disturbing (as are many of the stories behind early Pixies songs, for that matter).
As for Frank considering himself a king, well, he DID start a thread called "The King Holds Court."
I've reached 1000 posts / So I'm too cool to be in a cult. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2004 : 07:39:52
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And the first time I met Frank, he told me that 'I may now have an audience with Frank Black'. :) True story, actually.
 "Join the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2004 : 10:10:19
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| Politics go so good with beer! Actually, there's that line in Csar;"Oil, the national turmoil". I remember a reviewer of the first FB album pointing that out. Also, there are little references to the state of the world in a lot of FB songs. And Is'nt 'Monkey' kind of environmentaly themed? |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2004 : 12:36:52
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Well, if we're to believe a cover song, Frank is actually the Duke of Earl.
I've reached 1000 posts / So I'm too cool to be in a cult. |
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Pixies/FB tunes that show political leanings?
