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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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 Posted - 04/05/2004 : 07:51:38
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It was 10 years ago today that he took his own life (or perhaps, had his life taken). He had a brief three years in the spotlight, but in those three years, Nirvana gave rock music a kick that it hadn't seen in a long time, or since. Love them or hate them, you can't deny their impact on rock music as a whole. Today, remember the power of their music; listen to your favorite Nirvana album on 10, strum along if you wish...remember the way you felt when you heard Nirvana for the first time. Thank you, Kurt.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 07:55:14
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He was a really creative guy. It's just a pity the whole rock-star media-whore shit swamped Nirvana's career, but then again Cobain was perfectly willing to pose for all those shite buzz mags. He said some stupid things, probably to deliberately stir people up, but I guess after all the talk the music is still there to listen to.
CARL.
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
871 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2004 : 08:22:29
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I enjoy listening to Nirvana but I can't help but think that their stock has risen to a level that is higher than it would have been if Kurt Cobain was still alive today. If you discount their first album 'Bleach', which is certainly no 'Come on Pilgrim', then in reality Nirvana only released two decent studio albums. I prefer 'Nevermind' to 'In utero' although I suspect this is probably not the common preference. How many songs would one place in the 'great' category, 5, 6? Significantly less than the Pixies anyway and quite a few other bands I could mention.
After listening to and enjoying the Pixies from 87 - 92 I certainly don't remember going 'wow!' when first hearing Nirvana.
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
3988 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2004 : 10:07:02
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I can't believe it has been ten years. I remember hearing it on the radio and running downstairs to tell my mom and turn on the TV. What's weirder to me is now I am 27 - the same age as he was. And he'll never get any older.
Amazing to think how much he really had done at such a young age.
Here is the Yahoo article on him -
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offerw
* Dog in the Sand *
South Africa
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 10:53:43
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For a few months Nevermind was the album which ruled my world. Then the whole media and radio blitz just ovesaturated the world with Nirvana. Nevermind is a classic but I've stopped listening to. It is a shame, Cobain's obvious talent will forever be overshadowed by the hype.
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TheCroutonFuton
- Mr. Setlists -
USA
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 10:54:16
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I love Bleach! "School" is a great song. As is "Floyd the Barber"...there are tons of great songs on that album.
Did Courtney really "collaborate" with "Heart-Shaped Box"? I think she was more of an inspiration...I don't think she meant to "collaborate". I even remember a quote from her along the lines of, "I remember hearing him in his closet playing the riff for Heart Shaped Box and asking him if I could use it. All I got was a slammed door and a "FUCK YOU!"
I was only 6 when he died. I do remember my sister being upset about it at the time, though.
I think all of the rock-stars who died at 27 should rise from their graves and form the band "The 27 Club" and make great music together. Yep.
...ah, if only...
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 10:57:51
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TheCroutonFuton
- Mr. Setlists -
USA
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 11:05:03
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You were young then...only 17. (Heh, that's still older than me. Oldie!)
Kidding! Kidding!
"Join the Cult of Gunn / And Then You'll Be Destined to be a Rock and Roll Star of Epical Proportions!" |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 11:08:40
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Originally posted by bedrock_barney
I enjoy listening to Nirvana but I can't help but think that their stock has risen to a level that is higher than it would have been if Kurt Cobain was still alive today. If you discount their first album 'Bleach', which is certainly no 'Come on Pilgrim', then in reality Nirvana only released two decent studio albums. I prefer 'Nevermind' to 'In utero' although I suspect this is probably not the common preference. How many songs would one place in the 'great' category, 5, 6? Significantly less than the Pixies anyway and quite a few other bands I could mention.
After listening to and enjoying the Pixies from 87 - 92 I certainly don't remember going 'wow!' when first hearing Nirvana.
"I've rejoined the Cult of Ming / Star of favourite childhood movie of 1980"
I know what you mean, 'cos I often think that with some artists, but I don't think that this is the case with Nirvana. They were truely a great band, who if anything, would have received even more critical acclaim and hype if they had continued. Kurt had a lot more in him musically. He wanted to take his music in other directions, he wanted to be a singer-songwriter in the mould of Johnny Cash (as a 'lost' interview with him in this months 'Uncut' special reveals) and I believe his 'Unplugged' performance demonstrated that he had the talent to do this.
As for how many 'great' songs he wrote, well it depends on who's opinion you are talking about. If it's yours then you say 5 or 6. If it's my gran's then none, if it's mine then about 20 and if it's the music critic's then probably about 8 - 10. And you must remember that the Pixies wouldn't score any more than that from the critics and they released more albums. Personally I think the Pixies released about 40 'great' songs but then I'm obviously gonna say that 'cos they are my favourite band.
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
3988 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2004 : 11:46:55
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I am listening to the UK top 10 of the day on Virgin Radio andthe numbr one song is Smells Like Teen Spirit.
I am turning it up! |
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
3988 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2004 : 11:48:16
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I am listening to the UK top 10 of the day on Virgin Radio andthe numbr one song is Smells Like Teen Spirit.
I am turning it up! |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2004 : 12:06:58
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Turn the lights off as well, Ramona.
It's less dangerous.
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!! |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 12:25:47
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I saw Nirvana Novemember 8th, 1993. It was an amazing concert, actually at William and Mary in Williamsburg, VA. in a very small gymnasium (I can't remember who said they went to college there for 1 year). I've had few musical, artistc, or creative experiences of any kind that come close to comparing to this event. And that's not just the acid talking either. The Breeders and Half Japanese opened, but I don't remember that part well.
I was only 16 afterall, but even being an adolescent, I could decipher greatness when it was right in front of me. Listening to records of Nirvana never come close to being there and hearing it live. The guitar solo at the end of the show sticks out in my mind the most, that and Lithium. At the end of the show they dimmed the lights and it was just Kurt on stage, on his knees or something, huddled next to one of the monitors in his shiney Silver jacket, just playing this amazing guitar peice by himself for what seemed like forever, but it wasn't long enough... he was an awesome guitar player, I think people don't seem to appreciate thatfully
The first time I heard Nirvana was on MTV on 120 minutes... I was like: most of these songs on this show suck, but I really like this one. I went out and ordered the tape the next day from the local record/tape shop. A few months later they were everywhere.
I saw Courtney love on Letterman the other night, and then on Howard Stern, she is a wacko. They need to sedate the shit out of her. What a looney she is...
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
3988 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2004 : 12:58:17
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 16:14:35
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Ian Curtis was 23 when he killed himself.
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 16:44:11
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 17:03:04
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Nirvana was the band that I was listening to heavily when I started playing guitar, and I thought Kurt Cobain was the master of the instrument, until my guitar teacher said, "You'll find as you play more that he wasn't a very good guitarist." I remember being devastated at this information. I thought Kurt WAS guitar, and so much more, too. Man, I was obsessed with Nirvana. Nevermind was the album I listened to the most then. None of the albums as a whole ever struck me the way Nevermind did, though nowadays I'd consider In Utero a more compelling listen, though none of their music seems as powerful to me nowadays as it did when I was 15.
As far as Nirvana songs that I would put in the great category nowadays, a few that come to mind are Breed, Serve the Servants, Scentless Apprentice, Radio Friendly Unit Shifter, About a Girl. There's plenty, but those are some that still get me excited, especially Breed. Just rocks so hyperactively at a million miles per hour, and still manages to have solid footing. It's incredible.
I think Kurt knew he was overhyped. Then again, it was often hard to figure out what Kurt thought.
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 17:34:56
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even though, to some extent, it is true, i don't like how people who say that the likes of kurt cobain are not good guitarists, as if every song they write has to demonstrate their best skills etc. the fact is, he played what was damn good to listen to, whether it was simple or very complex.
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
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Posted - 04/05/2004 : 18:02:03
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Jim Morisson was 27 wasn't he?? Ian Curtis, 23.... wow.
Anyway, I am no bif Nirvana fan, however they did produce some cracking songs (aneurysm, territorial pissings, serve the servants, rape me etc etc), and it was trully tragic when news got out that Kurt had killed himself.
I always find it strange to listen to music of people who have killed themselves, like Elliot Smith, Joy Division and Nirvana, I feel a sense of hollowness when you hear desperate lyrics and it kicks in that this person is no longer with us because they could no longer handle living anymore. Much as I love listening to Joy Division, or Elliot Smith it is something I do not do often as it freaks me out to some degree.
10 years ago, time has flown by. I remember it being a Saturday morning and I was working as a sales assistant in a shoe shop at the tender age of 17 when my bro legged it in and told me that Kurt had killed himself. Man, it doesn't seem that long ago.
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Malax
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1340 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2004 : 20:32:00
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Never 'got' Nirvana, few good songs here and there. meh
I May've Joined The Cult Of Frank If I Knew What The Balls Was Going On.
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GypsyDeath
Zapped Profile
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 03:24:13
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Aww. I cant believe it was ten years. weird, huh.
I listened to Nirvana solidly for about 3 years. I was kurt obsessed (and later on, also Courtney). I in love with that man! He was like...I dont know, something so much more than I could ever explain, and...well, yeah.
About him being a good guitar player - well no, technically he wasnt astounding, but technical ability is niot something im particularly drawn to. His style was amazing, and thats would people loved.
NO one will ever work Kurt - or Nirvana. That is the whole idea. A forever lasting mystery, that no-one can penetrate. Thats why Nirvana are almost as popular today as they were 12 years ago. And propbably always will be.
Anyway, I hope you got what you wanted Kurt.
Boys go to Jupiter, Get more stupider,
Girls go to Mars, Become rock stars
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 03:32:28
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Nowadays it doesn't matter to me whether someone is good technically or not. It's what how much soul they can bang out of the instrument. But when I was 15 and just getting started, technical ability seemed VERY important, even though I didn't even know what was considered technically good, and once I figured out what it was, I found within a few years that I would never be Joe Satriani or Kirk Hammmett, and then realized I didn't want to be. I wanted to be Dean Ween (who is quite amazing technically now, but can still also play it like a naive punk).
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 06:13:22
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I reckon technical is not that important... look at Steve Vai, he is supposed to be a superb guitarist, but his music is shocking. It's what they create that's most important, not how good they are at playing.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 06:28:01
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I never got Nirvana either, and now somehow I wish I'd known Kurt, behind all the hype and the media crap. I was 15 when Nevermind got released, didn't really like the singles, and decided I would hate the band, because you would see them everywhere and hear their damn songs all the freaking time on the radio. Now everyone says Kurt didn't really want the media coverage and the commercial success, and he looks like a cool guy. I don't know what to think actually. Maybe I should listen to one of their records; I think the only one I've ever heard in its entirety is the MTV Unplugged and I don't like it at all. Everyone sounds bored to hell in this album, band and audience. I'll try to listen to Nevermind in an objective way and see if I like it.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 10:05:04
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Originally posted by TarTar
Nowadays it doesn't matter to me whether someone is good technically or not. It's what how much soul they can bang out of the instrument. But when I was 15 and just getting started, technical ability seemed VERY important, even though I didn't even know what was considered technically good, and once I figured out what it was, I found within a few years that I would never be Joe Satriani or Kirk Hammmett, and then realized I didn't want to be. I wanted to be Dean Ween (who is quite amazing technically now, but can still also play it like a naive punk).
"(insert clever quote here)"
Exactly!!!
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2004 : 10:07:25
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Originally posted by vilainde
I never got Nirvana either, and now somehow I wish I'd known Kurt, behind all the hype and the media crap. I was 15 when Nevermind got released, didn't really like the singles, and decided I would hate the band, because you would see them everywhere and hear their damn songs all the freaking time on the radio. Now everyone says Kurt didn't really want the media coverage and the commercial success, and he looks like a cool guy. I don't know what to think actually. Maybe I should listen to one of their records; I think the only one I've ever heard in its entirety is the MTV Unplugged and I don't like it at all. Everyone sounds bored to hell in this album, band and audience. I'll try to listen to Nevermind in an objective way and see if I like it.
Denis
WOW!!! I was actually going to recommend you listen to 'Unplugged'. Doesn't music throw up varied opinions.
I mean some people like The Darkness.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2004 : 10:08:20
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Originally posted by Adnan_le_Terrible
Ian Curtis was 23 when he killed himself.
He'd probably had enough of Cheeseman telling him he was a fat Manc oaf.
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 10:12:30
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Aye, Kurt/Curt (always seems to change!) had a profound influence on me as well.
Hope to see him in a movie similar to Bubba Ho-Tep some day. =)
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 10:15:47
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I want to say peace and love for Layne Staley.
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 10:41:01
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Well he had a much bigger impact than a lot of the other deceased musicians. I just wish there wasn't such a fuss over ANY of them.
Remembrance is good, but overkill is not.
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 11:46:07
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| I'm sticking to my guns, the dude could solo like no other. I know most of his chord progrssions and riffs were relatively simple, but the solos were the shit. And Tartar, did your guitar teacher ever hear him live? I doubt it. I'm telling you, the dude could have given the Gunn a run for his money when he shredded the guitar on his solos. Kurt was very creative and strangely melodic in his solos but most of all there is so much feeling behind them, I guess you had to be there. Even as loud as his loudest screams, I think there is more feeling on his best guitar solo. Just my humble opinion, but I am right. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 13:50:40
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Originally posted by Little Black Francis
I'm telling you, the dude could have given the Gunn a run for his money when he shredded the guitar on his solos
I LOVE kurt, but now you are just talking shite!!!
Actually I have just realised that the Gunn is 27 next month!!! We can't allow the world to lose another precious talent!!!
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2004 : 14:01:37
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Kurt is an underrated guitarist. Fuck technical ability...it's about fitting your style with your music. It's about playing from your heart, emotion through your hands into your guitar. Just listen to the soloing on Bleach; he knew what he was doing. He made some beautiful noise with his guitar...
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2004 : 14:06:01
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Of course he could play. He was left handed. We can all play!!!
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GypsyDeath
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 14:58:32
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Yeah, its about using the guitar as more than just an instrument. Its about expressing yourself via the instrument...and using it as an extention of yourself...
Boys go to Jupiter, Get more stupider,
Girls go to Mars, Become rock stars
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Peace, love, empathy - Kurt Cobain
