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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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 Posted - 03/22/2004 : 14:03:31
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I do!
signed : Adnan's mom |
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Sir Rockabye
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1158 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2004 : 15:09:02
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I read The Metamorphosis, and I really enjoyed it. I have a book with some of his other stories. Reccomend any?
"We got to think quick, says blind St. Nick hey"
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/22/2004 : 18:27:29
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I started reading the Castle a while ago and put it down. It was just such a bunch of shit, of course I later found out that it isn't the best novel introduction to Kafka. I think "The Hunger Artist" is one of the best short stories I've ever read.
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JamesM
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 03/22/2004 : 19:27:35
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Franz Kafka doesn't have an <i>incredibly</i> diverse body of work, and while all of it at least solid, The Metamorphosis and The Trial are generally considered his masterpieces, and I'd tend to agree. Also, a lot of people tend to lump him in with the existentialist movement, which is something else I'd have to agree with, despite the fact that he was around quite sometime before the movement was ever given a proper name by Sarte (then again, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Heidegger, and even Schopenhauer in some cases [although I personally can only see the influence of Schopenhauer on Nietzsche, not the existentialist / phenomenological philosophy as a whole] can be considered existentialists).
NEXT UP LET'S TALK ABOUT WHY THE CORRESPONDENCE THEORY OF KNOWLEDGE IS OBVIOUSLY BUNK DUHHHHHHHH
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1973 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2004 : 02:24:44
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I've read everything Kafka wrote.
True, the Castle is probably his worst novel. And I didn't like America either. I don't consider him as a novelist, and only the Trial can be considered as a really good novel. Actually, he was far more brilliant than all the existentialist novelists put together.
IMO, he really excelled in the art of writing short stories, like "Our new lawyer" (I hope that's the name, in English). The metamorphosis is brilliant, especially the beginning and the end. The last sentence is probably the best ending I've ever read.
Somehow, the only person whose art sems connected to Kafka is Andersen.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 03/23/2004 : 03:50:24
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Me. We studied Metamorphosis in secondary school, which was surprising and useful. Many people seem to think Kafka is such a tortured and knotted artist but I think he´s one of the best comical writers I´ve read.
Links to K stories and criticism: http://www.themodernword.com/kafka/index.html
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"You one of those right-wing nut outfits?" inquired the diplomatic Metzger.
Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
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JamesM
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 03/23/2004 : 06:45:32
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To Newo: I strongly suggest you read Kierkegaard, if you found Kafka funny (I did!). A lot of people consider Mr. Kierkegaard as a tortured soul like Kafka (which, as far as their lives go, they were), but both were profoundly witty in text, and the former is one of the best philosophers I've ever read (up there with Kant and Descartes, but most professors will beg to differ with that statement).
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2004 : 04:56:09
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Thanks Jimmy. Philosophy was my choice at college where I spent most of the time in the company of Spinoza and Voegelin, so must go look in on old Søren.
Cheers,
Owen
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"You one of those right-wing nut outfits?" inquired the diplomatic Metzger.
Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1036 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2004 : 09:30:48
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i've recently read the first part of new kafka-bio, in german it is called "die jahre der entscheidung". it has ~600 pages or more, and covers only 5 years or so of his life...
anyways, it changed my picture of kafka. with all that material, i now see him more as a very sad man rather than a genious. personally, he obviously was very cowardy. but all he lived for really was his writing. all his personal relationships were absolute catastrophies. this book shows such a sad and depressing figure, i don't think i'll read the other parts. of course, it's just a bio, but the biographer worked very accurate and so i don't think there is much fiction in it.
i also like metamorphosis and the trial very much, but the rest i don't appreciate so much. especially america is hard.
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1973 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2004 : 11:37:40
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"i now see him more as a very sad man rather than a genious":
well, he could be both. Think of Lovecraft, Poe etc.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 03/24/2004 : 11:51:02
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Originally posted by Newo
Me. We studied Metamorphosis in secondary school, which was surprising and useful. Many people seem to think Kafka is such a tortured and knotted artist but I think he´s one of the best comical writers I´ve read.
Links to K stories and criticism: http://www.themodernword.com/kafka/index.html
it's true, he's always looked at as this stern, tortured artist.. i heard that he used to sit around with his literary buddies at a coffee shop and read what he'd been writing.. and he'd be constantly laughing the whole time. he definitely had a sense of humor.
not to say that he wasn't smart, or serious.. but he had more of a sense of humor than people might know.. (at least, that's what i've heard)
i didn't care for THE TRIAL at all, but that could have had something to do with the particular translation i read. it just bugged me.
THE METAMORPHOSIS is excellent stuff. a simple tale with complicated, multi-layered ramifications.. most consider it to be the ultimate Modernist novel, though he is often lumped in with the exestintalists. |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 03/24/2004 : 11:56:02
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Originally posted by Adnan_le_Terrible
I do!
signed : Adnan's mom
One of these men is Crispin Glover...
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Adnan_le_Terrible
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1973 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2004 : 13:16:48
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Originally posted by floop
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Originally posted by Newo
Me. We studied Metamorphosis in secondary school, which was surprising and useful. Many people seem to think Kafka is such a tortured and knotted artist but I think he´s one of the best comical writers I´ve read.
Links to K stories and criticism: http://www.themodernword.com/kafka/index.html
it's true, he's always looked at as this stern, tortured artist.. i heard that he used to sit around with his literary buddies at a coffee shop and read what he'd been writing.. and he'd be constantly laughing the whole time. he definitely had a sense of humor.
not to say that he wasn't smart, or serious.. but he had more of a sense of humor than people might know.. (at least, that's what i've heard)
i didn't care for THE TRIAL at all, but that could have had something to do with the particular translation i read. it just bugged me.
THE METAMORPHOSIS is excellent stuff. a simple tale with complicated, multi-layered ramifications.. most consider it to be the ultimate Modernist novel, though he is often lumped in with the exestintalists.
Yep, I read his diary, and he mentions laughing at some parts of the Trial, with his friend Maw Brod.
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =
Equatorial Guinea
649 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2004 : 17:44:48
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
One of these men is Crispin Glover...
I could tell you which one, but I would prefer...not to.
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Who likes Franz Kafka?
