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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -

Ireland
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Posted - 03/18/2004 :  10:53:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm sure everyone's gone over what equipment Frank uses on his albums a million times, but I was sifting through some old guitar magazines yeterday, and I found a big FB interview from around the time of his first album; in a sidebar, Frank talks about how vintage guitars are a nightmare for producers because they're so noisy, and though he favours Telecasters, when it comes to recording he'll use anything to hand, including "Cheap, mickey-mouse guitars with hot, heavy metal-type pick-ups" because they don't create a lot of excess noise. He also mentions using a nashville-like tuning on 'Old Black Dawning' and 'Brackish Boy', using the high strings from a 12-sring on a cheap, old 6-string that goes out of tune easily!

kingphilbert
= Cult of Ray =

USA
356 Posts

Posted - 03/18/2004 :  11:20:26  Show Profile  Visit kingphilbert's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I read in an interview with James Hetfield of Metallica, during the Load/ReLoad Sessions, in that he thought the best guitars to record with were cheapest poosible guitars from the Sears catalog and ones made for beginners. He would use them on as many takes as possible and that was it. they were beat. But he said he got a noise from them that he couldn't get from anyhing else.
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echo park
- FB Fan -

Saint Barthelemy
128 Posts

Posted - 03/18/2004 :  14:34:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ah, yes - the old "Morris" 12-string acoustic that he only keeps 6 strings on. I got to play that one a bit during the Manitoba session while working up backing vocals. Man, everything in that studio was old and noisy, except Scott's drums which were impeccable.

I had been eyeballing FB's guitars all in a row, when someone picked up the Morris and said, here - use this! I almost fell over. I had remembered that guitar from a show somewhere. McCabe's?

I really love the 60's Fender Jazzmaster (or was it a Jaguar) that he would sometimes have on stage but never play. I think the neck is a bit different from his Tele's, so he wouldn't go for it live. But it sounds beautiful. That's the guitar doing the 6/8 arpeggio picking on Manitoba, but it's Keith Moline playing it.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Netherlands
6214 Posts

Posted - 03/19/2004 :  01:45:24  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
man I love inside info
bring it on echo park
how does he take his coffee?



"I joined the Cult of Frank/Nobody wanted to join my Culf"

Edited by - billgoodman on 03/20/2004 01:16:23
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Mac E. Doobage
= Cult of Ray =

503 Posts

Posted - 03/19/2004 :  16:29:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman

man I love inside info
bring it on echo park
how does he take his cofee?



"I joined the Cult of Frank/Nobody wanted to join my Culf"



I would venture to guess with two F's.

Awwwwwwwwwww Lil' Buddage!
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echo park
- FB Fan -

Saint Barthelemy
128 Posts

Posted - 03/20/2004 :  01:12:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Didn't smell no coffee. Some red wine for the lady singers, beer for me &McCaffrey. The requisite midnight deli plate... don't know if Rich eats.
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =

USA
1850 Posts

Posted - 03/20/2004 :  07:49:25  Show Profile  Visit IceCream's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Is there some kind of Distortion on an Accoustic Guitar in "His Kingly Cave". IF so, how did he do that?


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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-

USA
5155 Posts

Posted - 03/21/2004 :  20:12:19  Show Profile  Visit Broken Face's Homepage  Reply with Quote
perhaps an acoustic/electric through a distortion pedal, if not a mic'ed acoustic run through a distrotion unit

-brian


- "I joined the Cult of Frank / And they tried to cut off my nuts and make me put on a blue jumpsuit"
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -

Ireland
11546 Posts

Posted - 03/22/2004 :  03:04:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by echo park

Ah, yes - the old "Morris" 12-string acoustic that he only keeps 6 strings on. I got to play that one a bit during the Manitoba session while working up backing vocals. Man, everything in that studio was old and noisy, except Scott's drums which were impeccable.

I had been eyeballing FB's guitars all in a row, when someone picked up the Morris and said, here - use this! I almost fell over. I had remembered that guitar from a show somewhere. McCabe's?

I really love the 60's Fender Jazzmaster (or was it a Jaguar) that he would sometimes have on stage but never play. I think the neck is a bit different from his Tele's, so he wouldn't go for it live. But it sounds beautiful. That's the guitar doing the 6/8 arpeggio picking on Manitoba, but it's Keith Moline playing it.



Wow, Echo P you've recorded with Frank? Who is this mystery man?
I think Nashville tuning usually involes tuning the high E in unison with the B, but I imagine there are a few varients. Pink Floyd used Nashville on, I think, 'Comfortably Numb'.

CARL.

"ME TOO!"
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echo park
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Saint Barthelemy
128 Posts

Posted - 03/25/2004 :  04:22:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As I understand Nashville tuning, the high E and B are like normal, but the lower four strings are up an octave from normal. You use the higher, lighter strings like what you'd have on a 12-string's octaves.

At least I remember that guitar I mentioned behaved like it was standard - I could use the familiar chord shapes on it.

Who? Just a lucky guy every now and then...
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vigorstrength
- FB Fan -

87 Posts

Posted - 03/25/2004 :  09:31:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've wondered about the bass guitars used, although they don't really stand out on the recordings. I've always thought Frank should add more volume to the bass in the mix. You can barely hear the beauty they're meant to present.
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echo park
- FB Fan -

Saint Barthelemy
128 Posts

Posted - 03/28/2004 :  02:02:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hmm. I've always heard Dave pretty well, except some of Devil's Workshop. I think the bass on Tears is remarkably deep and strong for a recording of its old-school nature.
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