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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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 Posted - 02/25/2004 : 08:34:00
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Originally posted by model consumer
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If Gore had not lost: the Taliban would be in power Afghanistan, along with Saddam in Iraq; North Korea would not be negotiating; Libya would not have fessed up; that Pakistani scientist would not have come clean on nuke sales; Iran would not be cooperating; the French, Germans, and Russians would still be illegally cooperating with Saddam; and the US would be kissing the UN ass that would have ensured all of the preceeding points. And, yes, I AM ready for the opposition list. Sometimes I wonder why the Dems are even fielding candidates.
bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, and bullshit. You are making gross generalizatoins and speculations. I may just as well say, and please allow me: If Bush didn't steal the election, then maybe Gore's administration would have done something about the planned terrorist attacks before they happened, which Bush didn't. If Bush didn't steal the election, then maybe Bin Laden may have been captured by now. If Bush didn't steal the election then surely that godawful neo-mccarthy Ashcroft would not have been nominated. We could go on all day...
I enjoy reading the relatively infrequent postings by Erebus. He usually has an interesting viewpoint on a wide range of issues but this one is way off base. It sounds like the executive summary from the Bush re-election manifesto. I wholeheartedly agree with model consumer on this one.
Maybe 9-11 wouldn't have happened. I don't know. But I do know that the world feels like a much more destabilised place since 2000. Saying that Bush, Blair et al may go down in history as the tough cookies that saved the world and made it a better place. If they do, then it won't be because of clever design, more a case of a happy accident. A very high risk card game in my opinion.
Thanks. I would suggest that the stability of 2000 provided the ideal breeding ground for 9-11, for spread of nuclear capability, for North Korean deceit under the guise of Clinton's treaty. Recall Madeline "Dances With Dictators" Albright. The Bush approach is high risk, but not as risky as allowing the faux peace to continue, providing cover for exactly those threats built best in the dark, a darkness fostered precisely by the hope and optimism of the left. Kerry's long senatorial voting record on defense and intelligence matters is an abomination. The growth of the dangers born out of the fall of the Soviet Union was going to continue indefinitely, except that 9-11, like Pearl Harbor, awakened the sleeping giant. Amazingly, many think it's time to go back to sleep. |
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 02/25/2004 : 09:07:28
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I never get tired of seeing people support socialist causes and claim to be in favor of "human rights" at the same time. Even a casual look at what socialist and communist countries did to people in just a short amount of time (Russia, Germany, Cambodia), compared to the absence of those things in a mostly capitalistic country like America should be enough proof.
Anyone who advocates single-payer healthcare is:
*against individual rights (and especially against the individual rights of doctors).
*jeopardizing the protection of a woman's right to choose to abort.
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
876 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2004 : 09:27:57
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And this is why,
Single-payer health care is based on the idea that everyone has a right to health care regardless of their ability to pay. "Health care is a right, not a privlage" is the the usual argument. If health care is, in fact, a right, then doctors have No Choice but to provide and may not decide who they will treat, how much they can charge or if they can charge at all.
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A woman's right to choose is protected in America, partly due to the woman's movement but also because in a (mostly) capitalsitic society people have more control over their money and how they spend it, making it harder to restrict them from using it on certain things.
(Incidently, I beleive drugs will finally be legalized when taxes are lowered, people have even more control over their own money, and when assistance programs- welfare, ect, are greatly reduced or done away with. Then the general idea will be- " You can do all the drugs you want legally, but if you fuck up, you're on your own".)
If this country moves to a single-payer system, the protection of the right to choose will be in jeopardy because there will be so many people who don't want their tax money to pay for abortions (I know woman should be able to choose, and I don't want to pay for abortions either (unless I actually knock up some girl)). |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 02/25/2004 : 10:47:05
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And what if a woman is raped, or the double condoms and spermicide somehow fail? I don't think it's so cut and dry..an unwanted child could wreak more havoc on society than 300 million people 'footing the bill'.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2004 : 11:11:21
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Capitalism is just what the people who have all our money are calling it these days.
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"You one of those right wing nut outfits?" inquired the diplomatic Metzger.
Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2004 : 09:13:22
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2004 : 04:44:34
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Personally IŽd be wary of anyone who refers to themselves as anything with an ŽismŽat the end.
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"You one of those right wing nut outfits?" inquired the diplomatic Metzger.
Fallopian twinkled. "They accuse us of being paranoids."
"They?" inquired Metzger, twinkling also.
"Us?" asked Oedipa.
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2004 : 06:21:33
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Today I was watching the news on CCTV9 (the only English speaking Chinese News channel) and they announced breaking news that Bin Laden had been captured.... this now actually turns out to be bullshit, which shows how shite the Chinese media is. I was actually quite happy when I thought it was true, but then realised that this could mean an increase in the chances of Bush getting re elected as the Yanks are not the brightest of sparks when it comes to electing someone to lead their country. In my opinion anyone at the moment is better than Bush, he should be strung up along with Blair and both should be treated as the terrorists that they are. How they get away with what they have done and what they are currently doing is beyond me!
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puredenizenofthecitizensb
- FB Fan -
Uzbekistan
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Posted - 07/03/2005 : 11:52:37
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Nader is a good consumer advocate.
 How come we say Los Angeleez?
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Ralph Nader - For or Against?
