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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 10/10/2024 : 14:22:16
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I've often wondered who the Selkie Bride is.
The song began, apparently, in the Catholics days (Jean Marie Walsh), before the Pixies reunion and prior to Honeycomb.
But it was officially released on Honeycomb (Violet Clarke era).
Then it turns up in St Nazaire - smells like spliff and Armagnac...(Kim Deal?)
So who do you think it is about? |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 10/10/2024 : 17:33:15
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Absolutely 100 percent Violet if it's about a real life person anyway
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1107 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2024 : 01:37:13
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Quotes:
"I've been trying to record it for years, tweaking the lyrics and doing whatever I could to make it feel right. Then at some point I read some of the words to my therapist, and she pointed out that they actually applied to events and people in my own life. It was only when I viewed the song from a more personal perspective that it made sense to me and I was able to finish it."
- Frank on recording Honeycomb - Night Times. 12/06/2005
"Even Selkie Bride which was a song about the mythical creature. I started writing it a few years ago and it wasn't a personal song. I was never quite happy with it and I brought it up to my therapist, read the lyric to her, and she said, 'Well, OK, here's what's going on...you know who the Selkie Bride is, don't you?' And then she said, 'Now that you realise who the song is about, I think you can finish it.' And she was right!
- Frank Black interview - Comes With A Smile. Autumn 2005
If it's about Violet then there's a slight disconnect as at that time why would he be so sad about her return when their relationship was relatively new.
Jean Marie, yeah it seems likely, it was around that time they divorced. But as sad as it was (show me your tears, 13 salty tears etc) they could go on to do Strange Goodbye.
Kim Deal, it was around the time of the Pixies reunion. 'If you return I'll be the saddest man' - maybe being around Kim again would evoke some previously held emotions - there were always rumours about their relationship.
Or maybe someone else altogether. I'm just theorising, not intending to stir anything - just curious as to who the Selkie Bride is.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6142 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2024 : 08:00:16
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He went down on the Selkie Bride, I always thought that was a nod to When I Go Down On You
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Jamie
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 10/11/2024 : 13:33:33
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| My guess is he's using the Selkie Bride as a metaphor for trying to hold on to a doomed marriage, and the songs aren't directly connected beyond that. So Selkie Bride is about Jean, and St. Nazaire is about Violet. |
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yarbles
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2024 : 10:21:59
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I assumed it was about Violet, but I like Jamie's point that it's a metaphor for a doomed marriage. So that works with the song selkie Bride being about Jean and St. Nazaire about Violet.
I never assumed it was about Kim Deal.... I don't think any songs are about her. I know fans are fixated on Kim and that her departure must've plagued poor Charles... but honestly I think Charles isn't interested in writing songs about Kim. He's not fixated on her like some fans are. |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
893 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2024 : 11:16:18
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Originally posted by yarbles
I never assumed it was about Kim Deal.... I don't think any songs are about her. I know fans are fixated on Kim and that her departure must've plagued poor Charles... but honestly I think Charles isn't interested in writing songs about Kim. He's not fixated on her like some fans are.
Songs about Kim, Frank has either confirmed, hinted at, or I genuinely can't remember where I heard that about it, but:
Blown Away
You Ain't Me
You Can't Crucify Yourself
If Your Poison Gets You
All I Think About Now
And I'd imagine some others.
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/14/2024 : 12:18:24
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Others I've heard or theorized are Alabaster and Who's More Sorry Now
But I guess every song and not one single song could be made / not made to be about her |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6142 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2024 : 12:40:41
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Alabaster is the only one that I really feel is about her
All I Think About Now too, of course
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
893 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2024 : 15:45:43
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I totally forgot Who's More Sorry Now. Absolutely. I'd bet my hat on it!
Never thought about Alabaster or those lyrics. Let's see...
She tried to dance to super slow ball
She ended up in limbo solo
About Cannonball!?!?
Any idea what the idea behind the song is? |
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The Maharal
= Cult of Ray =
990 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2024 : 11:47:03
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Originally posted by yarbles
I assumed it was about Violet, but I like Jamie's point that it's a metaphor for a doomed marriage. So that works with the song selkie Bride being about Jean and St. Nazaire about Violet.
I never assumed it was about Kim Deal.... I don't think any songs are about her. I know fans are fixated on Kim and that her departure must've plagued poor Charles... but honestly I think Charles isn't interested in writing songs about Kim. He's not fixated on her like some fans are.
He admitted It's Aint Me is about Kim. Went searching for the quote but the bloody link doesn't work anymore. http://www.berubecommunications.com/html/frankblack.html - that was a great article where he went through each of his albums. |
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Active Duck
~ Abstract Brain ~
United Kingdom
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2005 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2024 : 03:03:40
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I didn't remember this one. This should go straight up in the Discopedia :
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"I really like You Ain’t Me – the inspiration was, frankly, probably a little bit about a former band member [laughs] … I write it around the time of her big hit maybe I was feeling quite cult-ish – no pun intended. It was a combination of being in a more cult-ish place and growing weary of the music business and all the hands I had to shake. Not that I had to compromise the music, but starting with the Pixies there were all these worries about getting to the next level of success, trying to make expensive videos: ‘You gotta get on MTV, you gotta get on the radio’ … I never got into the business for that.
Any source for :
Blown Away
You Can't Crucify Yourself
If Your Poison Gets You
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
893 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2024 : 17:43:02
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Any source for :
Blown Away
Yes, the Pixies 33 & 1/3rd book. Frank says he wanted alone time during a Pixies tour and Kim followed him around and he was pissed off about it and she was in the hotel room right next to him and he wrote Blown Away that night. |
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
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Posted - 10/20/2024 : 05:20:33
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Thanks.
I haven't read the book. Is it worth it overall ? |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
893 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2024 : 17:21:22
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Originally posted by The Holiday Son
Thanks.
I haven't read the book. Is it worth it overall ?
It's fantastic. I obviously already liked Doolittle, but it made me appreciate it even more. |
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Who is the Selkie Bride?
