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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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 Posted - 09/08/2022 : 03:05:11
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I was taking a stroll down memory lane this morning and was remembering that when I first heard the Pixies had broken up the news soon followed that our man was going to be releasing an album of Beach Boys covers.
Does anyone else remember reading that?
At the time I thought it was a weird idea that would also make a lot of sense and be terrific.
Obviously it never happened but we did get one great Beach Boys cover on “Frank Black.”
It got me thinking of all the other abandoned projects or even modified projects over the years.
Please help me remember / learn about other things FBF was rumored to be doing / projects attached to that never happened or that happened in some radically altered form from what was first reported. I know there’s several that I’m forgetting. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 09/08/2022 : 03:51:34
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2022 : 07:15:46
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Schwarma
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/08/2022 : 07:42:01
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Remind me what you’re talking about pot, it’s too early for my brain.
Shawarma! Yes Bill Goodman thank you for the reminder. Would have been a good one! Alas… |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1118 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2022 : 07:49:38
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| Paley and Francis 2. Writing screenplay with Josh Frank. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2022 : 08:41:54
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3147 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2022 : 10:00:17
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Originally posted by pot
Grand Duchy 3
Oh man, should have figured that out on my own. Good one. Would be terrific if he ever did it. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2022 : 10:38:43
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The second disc of Trompe?
It was rumoured to be a Double album
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2022 : 10:43:54
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Originally posted by billgoodman
The second disc of Trompe?
It was rumoured to be a Double album
Maybe it’s being concealed inside a vault in a mystery underground crypt lying hidden in the jungles of Guatemala? |
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The Maharal
= Cult of Ray =
996 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2022 : 12:27:46
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| The Guncotton album / film. Must re-read The Good Inn actually. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/08/2022 : 12:57:54
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| Double disc TLM?! What in the world were the other songs gonna be? 12 minute Theme From Narc? |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2022 : 13:29:23
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Originally posted by Bedbug
Double disc TLM?! What in the world were the other songs gonna be? 12 minute Theme From Narc?
Surf Epic?
Brackish Boy
Hang On
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jake3
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/10/2022 : 01:17:37
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Please correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that BF's original plan in 1992 was to record an album of cover songs (not just by The Beach Boys). I'm assuming the idea was that this would've give him some much needed independence whilst still channelling his original material into the Pixies? I'm guessing he then soured on this and thought "fuck it" I'm releasing this batch of songs under my own name? I'm speculating here but from what I've read this sounds about right.
Here are the songs I'm guessing may have been in BF's mind to record for the cover album:
- 'Fear' (The theme to 'One Step Beyond') by Harry Lubin (Performed live in 93)
- 'Hang On To Your Ego' by The Beach Boys
- 'Duke of Earl' by Gene Chandler (Performed live in 93)
- 'This Is Where I Belong' by The Kinks (Performed live in 93)
- 'Handy Man' by Jimmy Jones (Performed live in 94)
- 'Sister Isabelle' by Del Shannon (Performed live in 94) |
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Arm Arm Arm
* Dog in the Sand *
1037 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2022 : 09:58:15
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I don't know how true it was but supposedly Frank Black was going to borrow the Heartbreakers from Tom Petty and record an album. That would've been great.
cheers |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/12/2022 : 02:32:57
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All of these sound interesting, but I guess we’ll never know.
Before Christmass came out I had it in my head that he was going to do an actual Christmas album, Silent Night, Jingle Bells, etc. |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/13/2022 : 15:25:36
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Originally posted by jake3
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that BF's original plan in 1992 was to record an album of cover songs (not just by The Beach Boys).
Yes. He talks a little about his aborted covers album in a great 1993 interview with Mondo 2000 that thankfully is still online.
http://dag.wiee.rs/debaser/docs/blackfra.php
He toyed with the idea of a covers record for his first solo album, but abandoned it eventually.
When asked about whose songs he wanted to record, Frank said “Husker Du, Jimi Hendrix, The Kinks, My Dad Is Dead, Angst. A combination of mainstream bands and obscure little punk bands.” |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2022 : 23:03:21
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One of the best interviews, did Frank talk about YouTube and TikTok in 1993?
Yes he did!
Also #teambossanova
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jake3
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
248 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2022 : 02:39:44
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Originally posted by Jason
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Originally posted by jake3
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that BF's original plan in 1992 was to record an album of cover songs (not just by The Beach Boys).
Yes. He talks a little about his aborted covers album in a great 1993 interview with Mondo 2000 that thankfully is still online.
http://dag.wiee.rs/debaser/docs/blackfra.php
He toyed with the idea of a covers record for his first solo album, but abandoned it eventually.
When asked about whose songs he wanted to record, Frank said “Husker Du, Jimi Hendrix, The Kinks, My Dad Is Dead, Angst. A combination of mainstream bands and obscure little punk bands.”
Great find. Enjoyed the read. |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 09/16/2022 : 07:00:55
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WTF is this shit article? Kurt Cobain isn't even mentioned once!
Denis
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2022 : 07:04:46
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Those were the days!
No Radiohead and PJ Harvey either...
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/17/2022 : 19:11:24
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quote:
Originally posted by Jason
quote:
Originally posted by jake3
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that BF's original plan in 1992 was to record an album of cover songs (not just by The Beach Boys).
Yes. He talks a little about his aborted covers album in a great 1993 interview with Mondo 2000 that thankfully is still online.
http://dag.wiee.rs/debaser/docs/blackfra.php
He toyed with the idea of a covers record for his first solo album, but abandoned it eventually.
When asked about whose songs he wanted to record, Frank said “Husker Du, Jimi Hendrix, The Kinks, My Dad Is Dead, Angst. A combination of mainstream bands and obscure little punk bands.”
Would have been a great project I'm sure |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2022 : 05:26:50
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Originally posted by The Maharal
The Guncotton album / film. Must re-read The Good Inn actually.
Can you fill me in on the guncotton album?
I had a bad reaction to your public hobby writings. |
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The Maharal
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/19/2022 : 07:49:36
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
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Originally posted by The Maharal
The Guncotton album / film. Must re-read The Good Inn actually.
Can you fill me in on the guncotton album?
I had a bad reaction to your public hobby writings.
He wanted to do a Pixies album - he figured doing a soundtrack for an existing film would convince the other members. That didn't happen. So he created a screenplay called Guncotton / The Good Inn which he later turned into a graphic novel. And he did a few demos of songs that would feature. Who knows if we'll ever get them - guess we'll have to make do with the novel which has lots of lyrics.
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How did you find out about Le bonne auberge?
Just on the Internet. I was writing some songs for what I had hoped would be a Pixies record and maybe a movie we would participate in. I thought a few years ago that might convince everyone in the band to get together in a studio situation. I suggested someone else's movie, but that didn't really seem to go anywhere. So I suggested, well, maybe a movie of our own. I needed to write some songs, so I tried to get a song cycle based on some of the things I was reading about.
Random or not, my starting point was: what was the first official pornographic film made? And it took me back to 1907, France. So that's where it stemmed from, me writing this song cycle that was a movie in my head with some historical roots, in both the film and subsequent to that I decided to include this ship explosion in France, which happened in 1908.
That's from this (pretty good) interview: https://www.newsweek.com/talking-black-francis-about-graphic-novels-and-french-pornography-246708
And here's an old thread discussing the Guncotton demos: http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21631
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
955 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2022 : 10:20:16
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There's a Black Francis-written graphic novel and I'm only hearing about it now???
I'm like insanely diligent on all Frank/Pixies news, how the hell do I keep missing this stuff?? |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/19/2022 : 10:41:18
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
There's a Black Francis-written graphic novel and I'm only hearing about it now???
I'm like insanely diligent on all Frank/Pixies news, how the hell do I keep missing this stuff??
Isn’t this forum great :-) |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1118 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2022 : 03:47:12
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The Super Lecker demos with Jeremy Dubs on drums. We got O Little Cloud, Um Chagga Lagga and Last Night the Wolves came out but wasn't there a full album worth of demos?
Although Um Chagga Lagga made it onto Head Carrier was it Tom Dalgety that wasn't a fan of Super Lecker (the song) and presumably the others? Has anyone heard the rest of those demos? |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2022 : 14:13:39
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Thanks Mr Maharal! I didn’t wait for a response before looking it up and ebay-ing a mint copy of The Good Inn, which showed up today. A quick rifle through the pages leads me to believe this is gonna be pretty cool! Like Trouble, this somehow flew under my radar, although I do recall now random rumblings about “the good inn” back in the day, although I must not have paid much attention and assumed it was a song demo or something.
I had a bad reaction to your public hobby writings. |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
955 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2022 : 20:41:52
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Dalgety not being a fan of O Little Cloud is one of those signs to me that is just so telling and bad. Like jesus this is the guy picking the songs. Blegh. I do think Doggerel shows some improvement with Get Simulated being picked, to show maybe now some of the weird ones will make it to the albums, which basically used to just be what a Pixies album was almost entirely.
I find Cloud so haunting and moving...maybe Dalgety would have ruined it by forcing some big ROCK GUITAR STRUMS!!!!! in the climax or something...I feel like some of these songs need to just be the songs they are and not trying to be like Anthem Rock or Stadium Rock or whatever. Sorry this is probably a tangent. I just wonder how many of these abandoned songs are abandoned directly because of Dalgety and some strange notion of keeping the songs that aren't big rocking poppy potential singles away from listeners' ears. It amazes me there's so many songs worked on that we're not getting to check out. I am grateful (that's an understatement) for the BTE bonus disc and hope they do something like that again.
I also ordered a copy of the Black Francis graphic novel and I am still in shock this wasn't a bigger deal around here and that I, a huge Frank fan and huge comics reader had no idea this existed. I own like thousands of comics and trade paperbacks. |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1118 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2022 : 22:52:46
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It's possible those demos may end up on some other project but after around 10 years I just wish they would make them available on some platform like Bandcamp for example. It doesn't need to have any fanfare around it, just give people an opportunity to buy it if they want it. Same for live shows etc.
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/21/2022 : 02:20:51
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
955 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2022 : 10:07:09
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Originally posted by Stevio10
It's possible those demos may end up on some other project but after around 10 years I just wish they would make them available on some platform like Bandcamp for example. It doesn't need to have any fanfare around it, just give people an opportunity to buy it if they want it. Same for live shows etc.
Yeah. I always think about if I was actually famous or had some cool cult audience, I'd give them so much. I have hundreds of MP3s of rare shit I've accumulated over the years and it's like my fantasy to make Bandcamp compilations of this stuff, but the problem is nobody would care so there's no real point.
I know this group is probably like "those weirdos in the worm store" (to reference an early Simpsons episode) but still...we'd be the most appreciative of these things. |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 10/23/2022 : 08:31:27
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Anyone know where I can lay my hands on the Super Lecker demo? I’ve never even heard the damn thing, but it has an almost mythical status around here. I always assumed it just wasn’t that good and that it just has a cool name that intrigues everyone.
I had a bad reaction to your public hobby writings. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/23/2022 : 09:27:50
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| I know I've been trying to find that clip again but can't locate it either. If Dalgety doesn't like it then I'll just let him do the thinking for the both of us. |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2022 : 10:14:46
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Originally posted by Sprite
In one of those random walks the live mini-clip of Super Lecker popped up just now in the Pixies Interviews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTSeXFE6HHM&t=359s
Never heard the actual demo. Not sure that ever appeared.
I did catch that - doesn’t do much for me but isn’t there a full demo with Dubs on drums floating around somewhere?
I had a bad reaction to your public hobby writings. |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/23/2022 : 10:48:50
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| So I think the filename or metadata had 'Lecker' in it or something. But I don't think Super Lecker was one of the tracks. I lost my copy of the tracks during a change of laptop sadly so I can't check easily. But I found O Little Cloud, Last night the wolves came out and Um Chagga Lagga on You Tube. Anybody remember Track 4? |
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