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TheScooper
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Posted - 09/06/2019 :  16:41:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug

quote:
Originally posted by Skatealex1

I'm thinking along the lines of Show Me Your Tears era with some tracks from first listen.



Haven't heard the album yet other than the first two singles, but this statement is not what I want to be hearing. SMYT, while fine FB&C's stuff, is not what I would choose 2.0 to sound like. Imagine a 2.0 album where people say, "reminds me of TOTY or Bluefinger."




Guess it makes sense for it sound like that era of the Catholics, since this is also a divorce record.

Charles must be the only musician whose output seems to get more unhinged/psychotic when he's HAPPY

Hopefully he falls in love again and gives us another Bluefinger. With our luck it'll be after the Pixies disband again and it'll just be ignored by the general public, who can then continue bitching about Kim Deal until we're all dead
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Sprite
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Posted - 09/06/2019 :  22:39:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm excited to hear there are potential similarities to SMYT. Everything is new, New house of the pope, Manitoba, This old heartache are some of my favorite FB&C songs.
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tamefan
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Posted - 09/07/2019 :  02:53:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So I've been imagining what songs like Daniel Boone, Los Surfers Muertos, and Bird of Prey would sound like with the production from Head Carrier. My god. It's mind boggling that both of these records were produced by the same person.

quote:
What kind of era of Catholics does it remind people of? First 2 albums or DITS onwards? Nadine, Hermaphrodites, Whiskey in shoes rocking Catholics or intricate numbers like Dog in the Sand, St Francis Dam etc...just curious on thoughts


Uhh well I'm not sure it sounds like anything he's released before. It sounds like if Leonard Cohen got divorced, went to Tahiti, and took DMT.

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sdon
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France
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Posted - 09/07/2019 :  04:03:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sounds like FB & Catholics covering Bossanova

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Bedbug
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Posted - 09/07/2019 :  04:28:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The last album of his that people didn’t say sounded like a previous album of his was what?
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* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
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Posted - 09/07/2019 :  09:56:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I clicked. I tried to resist but I clicked.
After only 1 listen:
Mark of Cain (bridges ! Trompe feel)
Long Rider (makes me want to jump up and down)
Death Horizon (works immediately, from the 1st listen, already a classic)

Paz vocals REALLY improved (I never liked her vocals before), her vocals are now high in the mix, she sounds good. Sounds a lot like KD, if not better (!)
Final mix is unpleasant to hear. But I appreciate Dalgety not brickwalling the hell out of it. Like he heard out complains and did 50/50. 50% brickwall, 50% dynamic range ("let''s put the snares high in the mix !"). The podcast also made me realize his influence on the band, probably for the better.

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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
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Posted - 09/07/2019 :  10:08:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
...and yes, Mark of Cain ending is Lovely Day ending / Motorway ending. Meh.

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Stevio10
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Posted - 09/07/2019 :  10:22:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug

The last album of his that people didn’t say sounded like a previous album of his was what?



Come on Pilgrim! Ha

Though I'd have to say Dog in the Sand was the biggest shift musically
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Stevio10
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Posted - 09/07/2019 :  10:24:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by picpic

I clicked. I tried to resist but I clicked.
After only 1 listen:
Mark of Cain (bridges ! Trompe feel)
Long Rider (makes me want to jump up and down)
Death Horizon (works immediately, from the 1st listen, already a classic)

Paz vocals REALLY improved (I never liked her vocals before), her vocals are now high in the mix, she sounds good. Sounds a lot like KD, if not better (!)
Final mix is unpleasant to hear. But I appreciate Dalgety not brickwalling the hell out of it. Like he heard out complains and did 50/50. 50% brickwall, 50% dynamic range ("let''s put the snares high in the mix !"). The podcast also made me realize his influence on the band, probably for the better.

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1st listen better than Head Carrier and or Indie Cindy?
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
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Posted - 09/07/2019 :  11:15:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Stevio10
1st listen better than Head Carrier and or Indie Cindy?


1st listen IC < HC < BTE

This will all change over time of course. HC is in purgatory right now. And IC is starting to sound like 1.0. Go figure.

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TheScooper
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Posted - 09/07/2019 :  12:00:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by picpic

I clicked. I tried to resist but I clicked.
After only 1 listen:
Mark of Cain (bridges ! Trompe feel)
Long Rider (makes me want to jump up and down)
Death Horizon (works immediately, from the 1st listen, already a classic)

Paz vocals REALLY improved (I never liked her vocals before), her vocals are now high in the mix, she sounds good. Sounds a lot like KD, if not better (!)
Final mix is unpleasant to hear. But I appreciate Dalgety not brickwalling the hell out of it. Like he heard out complains and did 50/50. 50% brickwall, 50% dynamic range ("let''s put the snares high in the mix !"). The podcast also made me realize his influence on the band, probably for the better.

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Where...uh...did you "click"?
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
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Posted - 09/07/2019 :  13:17:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i put my toe in the torrent

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TheScooper
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Posted - 09/07/2019 :  13:38:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ugh I wish I had any friggin clue how to work that shit haha
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QuaBear
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Posted - 09/07/2019 :  13:51:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
https://www.gigwise.com/reviews/3359877/album-review-pixies-beneath-the-eyrie
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Bedbug
* Dog in the Sand *

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Posted - 09/07/2019 :  14:22:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Loved your review picpic, thanks for sharing thoughts.

Looking forward to Friday the 13th
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =

France
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Posted - 09/07/2019 :  22:43:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nice, picpic
I agree with your analysis of Paz
Do you like Dalgety's sequencing?
I'm happy the album finishes with Death Horizon, but some other choices are less 'natural'

So far, I may be biased enough to think BTE > IC + HC







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The Maharal
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879 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2019 :  00:29:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
All three albums have their flaws but yeah I agree with sdon above, some of the sequencing seems crummy. I'll be very interested to hear the other tracks deemed not worthy for BTE - for me anyway the middle of the album drags so bad. Excellent start and finish to the album though. I was skeptical of TAOMMOC from hearing the live versions but it's excellent on BTE. Kinda wish more of the songs had that 'layered' feel.
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
1791 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2019 :  00:35:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cain is a great opener. The album really takes off with Silver Bullet IMO.

I don't really feel the spooky / gothic vibe the band or their marketing people are talking about. Feels more like Surf in a Church or something like that. BTE is a strange title.

Long Rider is the Another Toe / Tenement Song / mainstream rock number you love or hate. i'm on a Cain/Rider loop right now.




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sdon
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Posted - 09/08/2019 :  02:49:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Surf in a Church, lol

Yes, it sounds more Western Surf meets Saloon Psychobilly
All the gothic monster witches thing is just a posture, but divorce themes are real

Long Rider is better produced than Toe and Tenement, and more uplifting



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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
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Posted - 09/09/2019 :  06:34:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Kudos to Dalgety (never thought I'll ever say that) for bringing ideas and variety to the songs -bridges, unexpected twists, etc-. Its a real evolution from the frequent verse/chorus/verse on the 2 previous albums. Great record.

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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *

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Posted - 09/09/2019 :  07:44:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh man picpic that remark has me so excited for Friday ;)
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Stevio10
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/09/2019 :  08:47:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If picpic is praising the album and Dalgety it must good! Thanks for sharing your thoughts, looking forward to Friday too
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billgoodman
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Netherlands
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Posted - 09/09/2019 :  10:10:28  Show Profile  Click to see billgoodman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Some reviews have actually been good

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tamefan
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Canada
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Posted - 09/09/2019 :  21:36:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For me, Bird of Prey and Daniel Boone are instant classics.

This is the first 2.0 album where I really enjoy each of the 12 songs. Sure, it ain't no 15 track wunderkind. But it also ain't 8 great ones plus 4 so-so's. There are treats and treasures in every song, thanks to some playful percussion, Joey really bringing it, and eccentric songwriting :-)

8.5 out of 10 (where every 1.0 record is a 10/10, IC is a 6.5/10 and HC is a 7.5/10)

I resequenced the tracks and listen in this order:

quote:

SIDE A.
Silver Bullet
On Graveyard Hill
Long Rider
Bird of Prey
St. Nazaire
Los Surfers Muertos

SIDE B.
Catfish Kate
This Is My Fate
Mark of Cain
Ready for Love
Daniel Boone
Death Horizon


Edited by - tamefan on 09/09/2019 22:27:16
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rivum
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Posted - 09/10/2019 :  03:47:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tamefan

For me, Bird of Prey and Daniel Boone are instant classics.

This is the first 2.0 album where I really enjoy each of the 12 songs. Sure, it ain't no 15 track wunderkind. But it also ain't 8 great ones plus 4 so-so's. There are treats and treasures in every song, thanks to some playful percussion, Joey really bringing it, and eccentric songwriting :-)

8.5 out of 10 (where every 1.0 record is a 10/10, IC is a 6.5/10 and HC is a 7.5/10)

I resequenced the tracks and listen in this order:

quote:

SIDE A.
Silver Bullet
On Graveyard Hill
Long Rider
Bird of Prey
St. Nazaire
Los Surfers Muertos

SIDE B.
Catfish Kate
This Is My Fate
Mark of Cain
Ready for Love
Daniel Boone
Death Horizon





all of this. couldn't have said it better. and I would probably agree with that sequencing too!
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sdon
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France
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Posted - 09/10/2019 :  06:05:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I now tend to rate IC higher than HC

HC is too safe, a bit bland with a couple stand-out songs, and overall I would say boring.

At least, IC tries, experiments, and often misses, but the peaks are higher
Most songs are too long, too repetitive, too slow, and Gil Norton could be a root cause. Especially when you hear the live, stripped versions of Greens and Blues or Silver Snail... and what they have become, fat and overproduced. But at the core, IC is a good album, whereas HC is compositionally flawed


I think BTE is way above HC, it has an identity, is consistent in its diversity, doesn't try to rock all the time, nor to sound too pop. It is compact, more mature, more classic, but with enough weirdness

IC 7
HC 5
BTE 8



and Paz is great


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tamefan
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Posted - 09/10/2019 :  07:54:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh absolutely, HC was safe and oddly solipsistic. I doubt that Paz signed up to be a stand-in for Kim Deal. She's an artist unto her self and apparently that means bouncy bass lines, haunting harmonies, and epic backing vocals. Yes, please!

quote:
Originally posted by rivum
all of this. couldn't have said it better. and I would probably agree with that sequencing too!



Thanks! The OG albums have quick and dramatic transitions between styles. That's an effect this album is capable of achieving but it's let down by the sequencing. In particular, I really wasn't happy with Long Rider buried in the mid section. Moving it to track three also solves the problem of sequencing Kate after Graveyard, which was a mistake. Cain suffers from mid-tempoitis, a highly contagious affliction that plagues Pixies 2.0... so moving it anywhere but track one was important or else I would start skipping it (something that happened to me with Head Carrier the track).

Finally, I think that Silver Bullet's the most suitable album opener. The lyrics lay out the divorce conceit. I imagine the duel in this song is about a drunk fight with his ex-wife. Maybe it's the fatal fight, the silver bullet in their marriage. It introduces the recurring themes of futility, surrender, destruction, predestination (eschatology), depravity, and condemnation. It sets out recurring imagery: an old church, a poisoned drink, and notably of walking along "coral snow" which ties to the final two tracks, Daniel Boone and Death Horizon, songs about various forms of death, incl. ecological death. Daniel Boone alludes to Lord Howe reef. We can infer that the reef is dying from the rising temperatures mentioned in Death Horizon -- it's the coral "snow" from before (white coral is dead). Death Horizon is about getting drunk on a tropical beach (with his ex-wife?? or his bottle?? this song is full of question marks) and watching as the world ends:

quote:
And I can feel that the temperature's rising,
But what can ya do,
Cause that death horizon,
Gonna pull you right through.


(A more literal interpretation of Death Horizon is that the protagonist's temperature is rising because he's drunk and the song is a final restatement of the themes of powerlessness, the futility of trying to change one's fate, and total submission to the alcoholism that fuels what transpires in many of the tracks).

This record is fantastically written. Charles, you glorious son of a son of a son of a bastard.

Edited by - tamefan on 09/10/2019 09:12:51
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Bedbug
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Posted - 09/10/2019 :  07:55:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Definitely seems IC is trending up and HC is trending down. Third time’s the charm apparently
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moonruler
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Posted - 09/10/2019 :  08:14:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have always enjoyed IC over HC, both have their moments, but IC just resonated with me more.

However, I still very much LOVE some of the tracks on HC. Plaster of Paris and All the Saints, and a few others.

Unfortunately for both albums, the songs that I originally did not like that much have not really grown on me. With IC, not a big deal as I liked it mostly, anyway.

Need to listen to HC again, it has been awhile.

Another thing I have noticed is there seem, to me anyway, to be a few slightly different versions of a lot the songs out there. More for IC than HC, maybe? I mean, CD is different than the single, which is different than the video. I could be imagining it...

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Bedbug
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Posted - 09/10/2019 :  08:56:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We should try to list those somewhere in a thread
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The Maharal
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Posted - 09/10/2019 :  09:05:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting to hear the comments on Silver Bullet. It's probably my least favourite on the album, bit boring and predictable musically and Frank is doing that 'voice' I kinda dislike. It's a bit like Silver Snail, just plods along and Joey can't save it.

Not sure I'll ever be able to get behind Long Rider, that "take it away now" line is disturbing, ugh.

Cain for me is a great opener, possibly the best opener of the past three albums and I'm a big fan of WGB and HC.

Would agree that Charles' songwriting is back on track (for the most part). Some lovely Golem-y type lyrics on Bird of Prey. Which tracks did Paz co-write or write besides Los Surfers Meurtos?
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tamefan
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Posted - 09/10/2019 :  09:18:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
At first, I thought Long Rider sounded like a TV commercial theme song or like a song they'd play during the first season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer back in 97... so don't lose hope
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moonruler
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Posted - 09/10/2019 :  09:23:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The deluxe version with Demo and 7" are sold out. Waited a day too long debating about the damn shipping costs. Ugh.

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Sprite
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Posted - 09/10/2019 :  10:34:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bad luck. I have a turntable arriving tomorrow and will be ripping the demos Friday night.
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Bedbug
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Posted - 09/10/2019 :  10:41:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sprite

Bad luck. I have a turntable arriving tomorrow and will be ripping the demos Friday night.



Sprite, might I suggest you make a YouTube video of your new turntable playing these songs for the very first time and then link?
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