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stuczuba
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Posted - 08/07/2016 :  22:07:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
.. specifically the line-up who played Reading Festival in '94 I know it wasn't the Catholics and I'm pretty sure the the band did include EDF but who else was in that band?

The Holiday Son
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Posted - 08/07/2016 :  23:50:44  Show Profile  Visit The Holiday Son's Homepage  Reply with Quote
EDF on bass
Nick Vincent on drums
Lyle workman on i'm the best guitarist That ever played with FB
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stuczuba
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Posted - 08/08/2016 :  01:16:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ta v much - been listening to that show again recently, it's aged well :)
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Stevio10
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Posted - 08/10/2016 :  02:02:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No Lyle no work man.

The forgotten Catholic. Didn't realise he played on Jellyfish album and has solo albums, will have to seek them out.
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Belgium
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Posted - 09/09/2016 :  03:08:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wasn't Joey Santiago part of the early Frank Black live band. I saw a Frank Black gig from 93 or 94 on Youtube, featuring Joey.

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pixiestu
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Posted - 09/11/2016 :  14:01:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I always wondered if there was a live version of All My Ghosts with Workman on guitar. Heard plenty Rich Gilbert solos from various recordings over the years but nothing ever came close to the studio version for me. Does anyone know if this exists, or do the timelines simply not correspond?


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Bedbug
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Posted - 09/26/2017 :  09:36:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by picpic

Wasn't Joey Santiago part of the early Frank Black live band. I saw a Frank Black gig from 93 or 94 on Youtube, featuring Joey.

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Yes he was at the show I saw in 93 at Roseland NYC

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Belgium
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Posted - 09/26/2017 :  10:15:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Bedbug

quote:
Originally posted by picpic

Wasn't Joey Santiago part of the early Frank Black live band. I saw a Frank Black gig from 93 or 94 on Youtube, featuring Joey.

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Yes he was at the show I saw in 93 at Roseland NYC

"One Step Beyond"


He also played on a bunch of Frank Black records uncredited, right ?

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Edited by - picpic on 09/26/2017 10:15:56
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Bedbug
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Posted - 09/26/2017 :  10:40:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by picpic

quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug

quote:
Originally posted by picpic

Wasn't Joey Santiago part of the early Frank Black live band. I saw a Frank Black gig from 93 or 94 on Youtube, featuring Joey.

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Yes he was at the show I saw in 93 at Roseland NYC

"One Step Beyond"


He also played on a bunch of Frank Black records uncredited, right ?

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It sure sounds that way
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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/23/2018 :  03:37:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In that recent interview he says he’s wasn’t “in the band.”
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Belgium
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Posted - 02/26/2018 :  00:42:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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In that recent interview he says he’s wasn’t “in the band.”


Yep. Sounded kind of depressing. Poor guy.

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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/26/2018 :  03:21:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug

In that recent interview he says he’s wasn’t “in the band.”


Yep. Sounded kind of depressing. Poor guy.

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...which is interesting to me in that, Charles started out the solo FB jaunt with the Joey sound as a part of it, but not enough to keep him in the CoR band / proto-Catholics.

Edited by - Bedbug on 02/26/2018 03:21:52
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Belgium
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Posted - 02/27/2018 :  04:18:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think the whole Frank Black project was intended to be all solo from the beginning, and he eventually hired Santiago for a few numbers because he was a friend and probably just needed to work.

Didn't Lovering also opened for a few Catholics shows as a magician ?

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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/27/2018 :  06:00:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Some of the song sound like they were designed to be solo, like Brackish Boy, maybe even Los Angeles. But it's hard to think of him doing a whole truly solo album like Johnny Cash or something.

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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/27/2018 :  06:02:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And yeah, Dave did magic at some shows. Charles helping out the boys.

Crazy to think of the three of them struggling while Kim rode the Cannonball to countless billions.
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* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
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Posted - 02/27/2018 :  06:43:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, "Frank Black" was a solo project with hired musicians as a backing band, and Joey was one of many, right ? Like Elvis or Bruce Springsteen.

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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/27/2018 :  06:54:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yeah, good point. I guess I'm being a bit myopic regarding the term "solo project."
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peter radiator
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USA
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Posted - 02/27/2018 :  08:39:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug

Some of the song sound like they were designed to be solo, like Brackish Boy, maybe even Los Angeles. But it's hard to think of him doing a whole truly solo album like Johnny Cash or something.





Everything on that first FB album was "composed" in MIDI on a computer by FB and EDF.

The drum tracks, the guitar parts, bass, everything.

Then, FBF hired specific session musicians (Maimone, Santiago, Vincent) to overdub their own "analog" playing of the parts over the pre-existing synthetic guides, and, later, to recreate those parts (with their own human variables thrown in for good measure) in the touring road band version of that lineup with he and EDF.

It is my understanding that the only things left on the final LP mix from the original MIDI demos were EDF's keyboard parts, some of the keyboard bass and maybe a bit of sampled percussion.

This made it even more of a "solo" effort, if one groks that "FB Solo" at that point in time actually meant "FBF + EDF."

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* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
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Posted - 02/27/2018 :  11:18:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nice trivia, thanks

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Bedbug
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Posted - 02/27/2018 :  13:27:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by peter radiator

quote:
Originally posted by Bedbug

Some of the song sound like they were designed to be solo, like Brackish Boy, maybe even Los Angeles. But it's hard to think of him doing a whole truly solo album like Johnny Cash or something.





Everything on that first FB album was "composed" in MIDI on a computer by FB and EDF.

The drum tracks, the guitar parts, bass, everything.

Then, FBF hired specific session musicians (Maimone, Santiago, Vincent) to overdub their own "analog" playing of the parts over the pre-existing synthetic guides, and, later, to recreate those parts (with their own human variables thrown in for good measure) in the touring road band version of that lineup with he and EDF.

It is my understanding that the only things left on the final LP mix from the original MIDI demos were EDF's keyboard parts, some of the keyboard bass and maybe a bit of sampled percussion.

This made it even more of a "solo" effort, if one groks that "FB Solo" at that point in time actually meant "FBF + EDF."

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Muchas gracias Pedro.

Your contributions are always appreciated
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