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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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 Posted - 12/11/2013 : 03:34:18
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| Ouch. Thanks for posting this. They are dicks for not giving her a reason. Maybe she killed someone's pet and she isn't telling us. |
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 03:38:35
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December 11, 2013 11:39
Kim Shattuck on Pixies exit: 'I would have preferred if they told me face to face'
Bass player speaks for first time since leaving US band in November
Kim Shattuck has discussed her exit from Pixies for the first time, revealing that she was told the news over the phone by the band's manager.
Shattuck was relieved of her duties as bass player in the band in November after joining in the summer as replacement for founding member, Kim Deal. Speaking in this week's NME, which is available digitally and on newsstands now, Shattuck reveals that she was not expecting to leave the band, having agreed verbally to tour with them into 2014.
"I was surprised. Everything had gone well, the reviews were all good and the fans were super-nice about everything. They were like, 'We love you, New Kim!'," she says. "We said goodbye at the airport and the following morning the manager called me and said: 'The band has made the decision to go with another bass player.' I was shocked."
Speculating as to why she may have been replaced, Shattuck says: "I get the feeling they're more introverted people than I am. Nobody really talked about deep issues, at least out loud. There was a show at the Mayan in Los Angeles where I got overly enthusiastic and jumped into the crowd, and I know they weren't thrilled about that. When I got offstage the manager told me not to do that again. I said, 'Really, for my own safety?' And he said, 'No, because the Pixies don't do that.'"
However, Shattuck does not bear a grudge toward Frank Black and his band mates: "I would have preferred it is they told me face to face as a group, but they're nice people. I'm still a fan of the Pixies!"
Earlier this week it was confirmed that Paz Lenchatin will replace Shattuck for Pixies live dates in 2014, including headline slots at Primavera and Field Day.
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Thomas
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 03:44:41
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Stage dive from a Pixie no more.
"Our Love is Rice and Beans and Horses Lard" |
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 04:09:12
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Manager says:
"Pixies aren't nice with female bass players"
It's all cruel disco...
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Fissile
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 04:18:32
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Shattuck reveals that she was not expecting to leave the band, having agreed verbally to tour with them into 2014.
"A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on."
--Sam Goldwyn
Srsly, Thompson and company continue to have serious issues with interpersonal communication. It seems Shattuck does as well. I mean, if it isn't discussed, or spelled out in a contract, you should not assume anything. At least it was a phone call and not an email or text....I don't know anyone who still uses a fax machine. |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 04:20:55
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| She was probably waiting on a new contract. I don't think she cares about that; just how she was let go. They are turning into U2! Corporate rock@!@!@@@ |
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Fissile
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 04:44:36
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Originally posted by The Champ
She was probably waiting on a new contract. I don't think she cares about that; just how she was let go. They are turning into U2! Corporate rock@!@!@@@
They're all middle-aged guys with families now. How much money do you think they actually make as a little indy band? Certainly not the kind of money earned by U2, Drake, or Rihanna.
Since the Pixies have reformed, they've sold about $65 million in tickets. How much of that do you think they netted? Take out the cut for the venues, touring expenses, manager, booking agent, insurance etc. I doubt they netted more than 1/5 of the gross. Let's say the band netted $13-$14 million of that amount. Let's also say they divided it equally for arguments sake. That's $3.25-$$3.5 million per Pixie over a period of 9 years. Taking the higher amount of $3.5 mill and divide by 9, that's roughly $390,000 per year. Then there are income taxes, self employment tax, health insurance, etc. That's good money, and I'm sure they saved a lot of it these past 9 years, but it's not enough to carry them through for the rest of their lives. Certainly not for the guys, at their age, with families to support. |
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 04:59:31
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You got to be a serious fan Fissile to think that way ;)
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Fissile
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 05:24:43
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Originally posted by Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
You got to be a serious fan Fissile to think that way ;)
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I've always been interested in the biz end of the music biz. Except for the biggest acts, there's not that much money in it.
Check out this article http://nymag.com/arts/popmusic/features/grizzly-bear-2012-10/ |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 06:03:54
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Originally posted by Thomas
Stage dive from a Pixie no more.
No spontaneity tolerated, especially in the name of fun.
You'll excuse me if I never give another dime to this band. |
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 06:14:52
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Originally posted by Fissile
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Originally posted by Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
You got to be a serious fan Fissile to think that way ;)
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I've always been interested in the biz end of the music biz. Except for the biggest acts, there's not that much money in it.
Check out this article http://nymag.com/arts/popmusic/features/grizzly-bear-2012-10/
True, but the corportate spirit does exist even in the lowest spheres of this punk/liberal mouvement that is contemporary pop culture. Money is NOT the problem. Money provides solutions. Money is a good thing.
Don't judge the bullet, it's all the gun's fault. The hand always belongs to a poor irresponsible jerk.
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 06:32:36
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Originally posted by Fissile
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Originally posted by The Champ
She was probably waiting on a new contract. I don't think she cares about that; just how she was let go. They are turning into U2! Corporate rock@!@!@@@
They're all middle-aged guys with families now. How much money do you think they actually make as a little indy band? Certainly not the kind of money earned by U2, Drake, or Rihanna.
Since the Pixies have reformed, they've sold about $65 million in tickets. How much of that do you think they netted? Take out the cut for the venues, touring expenses, manager, booking agent, insurance etc. I doubt they netted more than 1/5 of the gross. Let's say the band netted $13-$14 million of that amount. Let's also say they divided it equally for arguments sake. That's $3.25-$$3.5 million per Pixie over a period of 9 years. Taking the higher amount of $3.5 mill and divide by 9, that's roughly $390,000 per year. Then there are income taxes, self employment tax, health insurance, etc. That's good money, and I'm sure they saved a lot of it these past 9 years, but it's not enough to carry them through for the rest of their lives. Certainly not for the guys, at their age, with families to support.
You are low balling that. Frank said himself, as you well know, they were all well taken care of after that initial run. They don't have a major pain the ass label to throw back a lot of the touring revenue to. And venues aren't that expensive to rent. The Massey hall, for example, costs roughly 12500 $ for a 2753 seat venue. For the Pixies, since they have sold the place out, only have to pay roughly 6 % of their total revenue for the venue. I imagine this is a common figure across venues world wide, and must be their largest expense. |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 06:34:14
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| And about my corporate rock comment; I was obviously joking. Money is awesome, and only a naive idiot thinks other wise. I just don't like how they treated KS. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 06:38:19
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| I can understand the stagedive being a bit out or order for Pixies, but surely that in itself wouldn't cause the sacking. Hmmm. |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 06:41:15
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| Also, that rough figure is ignoring where the real money is. In alcohol sales. Plus all the other crap people buy. |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 06:46:49
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Doesn't sound good. Also, the dreaded manager intervening again.
Ugh, can we get some new music please? |
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 07:08:05
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I understand they want to preserve their implicit identity of not having fun on stage. Whether it's role play or intrinsic personality, it's their "brand" as a band, and it's precious even having one. Kim S was great and to me she didn't look or sound too "discrepant" but we don't see everything. Not a reason for fbeing fired. I tend to think there are other reasons, like the "someone in our camp doesn't like the reception of the new songs". Maybe it was Kim S who revered the vintage material as we would all do if we joined the Pixies, but expressed critics towards new tracks. Clearly something changed the mood of the band and their perception of Kim, something was said or done that we might just never know
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Mickey
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USA
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 07:43:48
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I doubt that she was let go for stage diving once, but knowing how these guys are (so legendarily bad at communication that there is an entire movie about it) she probably genuinely does not know what happened and is trying to rationalize it in some way. I doubt we'll ever know what really happened.
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lofiscifi
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USA
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 08:06:56
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i guess it's easier to make the manager the bad guy. i wonder if they refer to him as "dick" instead of richard? stay classy men of the pixies.
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 08:12:39
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| it's kind of a disrespectful way of going about the whole thing. kim is playing it political and friendly, but if i was done like that i'd write those bozos off forever. maybe she has. |
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IBreed
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 08:16:40
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Originally posted by lofiscifi
i guess it's easier to make the manager the bad guy. i wonder if they refer to him as "dick" instead of richard? stay classy men of the pixies.
- lofiscifi
that's so it, too. ultimately i'm thinking they either have out of control management or, much more likely, all of these dorky decisions are the pixies alone and it's their way of absolving themselves of blame.
brutal.
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Fissile
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 08:43:36
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You are low balling that. Frank said himself, as you well know, they were all well taken care of after that initial run. They don't have a major pain the ass label to throw back a lot of the touring revenue to. And venues aren't that expensive to rent. The Massey hall, for example, costs roughly 12500 $ for a 2753 seat venue. For the Pixies, since they have sold the place out, only have to pay roughly 6 % of their total revenue for the venue. I imagine this is a common figure across venues world wide, and must be their largest expense.
Massey Hall was charging what works out to $4.50 per seat? without alcohol sales? While the band was charging $75 per ticket? That venue cut seems suspiciously low @6%.
Not all venues charge a flat fee, and if they do, the often depends on the group booking the venue. I'm sure the Shriner's convention gets a different rate than does Billy Joel. Some venues take a cut of the door. Some charge a flat rate and a cut after a certain number of tickets have been sold. The general rule is that bigger the act, the better the deal they can negotiate for the venue.
There are a lot of other big expenses associated with touring. Know what it cost to operate a tour bus? I believe it cost something like $3,500 per week, not including cost of fuel. Most of those big buses get 5 miles to the gallon at best. Diesel fuel @$4/gallon. Figure out what it cost to drive 500 miles.
Like I said, the Pixies are a successful indy act. It doesn't come close in terms of money to the big mainstream acts. Here is a list of the top grossing tours of 2012. Madonna brought in 3.5 times more in one year than the Pixies did in 9 years. http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1481408/top-25-tours-of-2012 |
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 08:52:25
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Daily Rate:
Ticketed Events: $5,500 + 100 x top ticket price (70 $ * 2753 seats = 192710$) ; 12,500$(5,500 + 7000)/192710 = 0.064, or 6.4%
Non Ticketed Events: $8,000
Vancouver's venue is an even better deal, at 9 grand or so since they are playing on a Monday. Much cheaper than I thought.
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 08:54:11
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| I don't know how much a bus is, but I bet it is close to a grand a day. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 09:28:42
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you guys aren't factoring in Frank's espresso budget. seems like he enjoys a lot of those. they can run 3 to 4 dollars, or more
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pixie punk
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The Champ
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 09:52:32
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Originally posted by floop
you guys aren't factoring in Frank's espresso budget. seems like he enjoys a lot of those. they can run 3 to 4 dollars, or more
green star member since 2006. smb?
Worse than smoking. But seriously, we are just training to become the Pixies next tour managers, once the fire this one by fax and tell him/her they did nothing wrong.
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BunsenH
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 11:06:00
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Originally posted by The Champ
[quote]Originally posted by floop
Worse than smoking. But seriously, we are just training to become the Pixies next tour managers, once the fire this one by fax and tell him/her they did nothing wrong.
I can't see us doing any worse. Besides, their current US representation look sorta amateur hour:
http://www.delafont.com/music_acts/pixies.htm
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 11:16:07
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Originally posted by BunsenH
I can't see us doing any worse. Besides, their current US representation look sorta amateur hour:
http://www.delafont.com/music_acts/pixies.htm
That link you provided is NOT the band's actual representation.
The Delafont Agency has been around for decades and pretends to represent tons of major acts.
In reality, they only exist to entice suckers and the uninformed who find their website to "book" such acts through Delafont, who then in turn acts as a middleman, jacking up the price that they themselves negotiate with the ACTUAL agency which truly reps the artists, and passing that inflated price along to the suckers.
Most legit agencies won't do business with Delafont, and very few people who promote serious acts in serious ways have anything to do with them.
~ Peter Radiator
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Jason
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 11:20:01
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Two things that I don't know much about:
1) How much money the Pixies make
2) Why this thread has turned into talking about that
... But I will add that ticket sales surely make up only a fraction of a popular band's touring income. Merchandising has got to be major. I haven't seen the Pixies since '04, but I remember the merch table being enormous and the lines to buy stuff being huge.
Nobody thinks the Pixies are Metallica, but this is a band who does well. |
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BunsenH
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 11:31:16
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Originally posted by peter radiator
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Originally posted by BunsenH
I can't see us doing any worse. Besides, their current US representation look sorta amateur hour:
http://www.delafont.com/music_acts/pixies.htm
That link you provided is NOT the band's actual representation.
The Delafont Agency has been around for decades and pretends to represent tons of major acts.
In reality, they only exist to entice suckers and the uninformed who find their website to "book" such acts through Delafont, who then in turn acts as a middleman, jacking up the price that they themselves negotiate with the ACTUAL agency which truly reps the artists, and passing that inflated price along to the suckers.
Most legit agencies won't do business with Delafont, and very few people who promote serious acts in serious ways have anything to do with them.
~ Peter Radiator
"Real music is out there and real people are making it." ~ Webb Wilder
Thank you for clearing it up. It seems to be working on some level. I Googled "pixies management" and they were one of the first hits.
I mostly just listen to music... who manages the Pixies?
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 11:43:13
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Originally posted by Jason
Two things that I don't know much about:
1) How much money the Pixies make
2) Why this thread has turned into talking about that
cuz of fissile
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 11:44:39
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Originally posted by The Champ
I don't know how much a bus is, but I bet it is close to a grand a day.
yep, that's my understanding too. |
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simibaby
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 11:53:22
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| Breeders next week, twice! Enuf of this Pixies' "oldies but goodies" boredom/drama/blah blah |
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 12/11/2013 : 13:20:28
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Yeah! Breeders!
Pixies or "when a broken toy turns into a nasty dildo"
Let's close this funny forum until Frank Black returns.
Merde!
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