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rivum
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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 Posted - 06/16/2022 : 04:55:26
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Originally posted by Sprite
Never see this before, Tanya Donnelly covering Here Comes your Man. It's great!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nenuD1riLmA
I forgot this existed until you posted this.
I even bought it from bandcamp back when it was released and still forgot about it...not sure how, it's amazing
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rivum
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
1334 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2022 : 14:35:04
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| Wow thanks, that's my evening listening sorted! |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2022 : 06:14:58
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Mr Francis posted a photo from Manchester today on twitter - didn't realise they were in the UK already!
Anyway - that's the second photo he's posted recently that I've looked at and can't help seeing not FBF but JO BRAND ! (the english comedian (female) for the benefit of anyone outside the UK who might not know who I mean)
Is this happening to anyone else?
Frank Black looks like Jo Brand lol |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2022 : 06:19:03
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| It's a strange illusion created by the fact he appears to have lost tons of weight or more weight I don't know he looks nearly quite normal sized now? One person please acquiesce with me on this so I know I'm not going mad |
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The Maharal
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/05/2022 : 10:04:32
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| Ha yeah maybe there's a slight resemblance there. He lost a lot of weight alright - hopefully he's not ill. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 07/05/2022 : 20:28:13
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| I love Jo Brand too - not that much but I think she carries a certain carefree deadpan through her persona which I'm fond of. I love them both, both Charles and Jo equally, but not in a weird way. I'm not "woke" but I am in no way against anyone experimenting and expressing themselves in the context of the opposite gender they were born into. Hermaphraditos is my name |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/06/2022 : 10:51:24
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| Ha I see where you're coming from, it's hard to pinpoint exactly how but I see it. Strangely, during the Head Carrier period I saw a resemblance to captain Manwaring from Dad's Army. Then didn't you say he looked like Barry from Eastenders from BTE period? Jesus that's like a Dr Who level of incarnation right there! Apologies BF, you don't look anything like them! |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 07/06/2022 : 13:13:49
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| Don't remember saying or thinking he looked like BArry from eastos, no |
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The Maharal
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/07/2022 : 10:19:36
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| Might have been me, possibly. Though usually the Future Islands guy is what makes me think of Barry. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 07/07/2022 : 11:18:37
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| Right - you see Barry from Eastenders in a lot of people? Personally I think the Future islands guy always reminds me of Greg Hemphill, the Scottish comedy actor best know for Still Game/Jack & Victor |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2022 : 12:29:44
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| There's a moon on |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2022 : 11:52:14
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| Doggerel schmoggerel |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1118 Posts |
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tamefan
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Canada
239 Posts |
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Discoking
* Dog in the Sand *
Belgium
1120 Posts |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1118 Posts |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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tamefan
- FB Fan -
Canada
239 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2022 : 02:11:35
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| If you guys took the best 15 tracks from BTE and Dog, do you think they'd be as strong as a Pixies 1.0. album? |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
955 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2022 : 08:04:01
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| It would be A strong album, but it wouldn't have the shock, horror, surrealism and surprise of Pixies 1.0, so it may as well be a different band. So it's not really a clear question to answer. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2022 : 08:34:11
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Originally posted by tamefan
If you guys took the best 15 tracks from BTE and Dog, do you think they'd be as strong as a Pixies 1.0. album?
No, but very close
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken? |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
955 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2022 : 11:49:44
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This is what mine would be, I guess, BTE and Dog. No demos, etc. Of course if we were including the BTE demos that would be a very different story. It looks like BTE has the bulk of the songs here. In my opinion though, still not a "great" album...more like "solid." But Pixies 1.0...it wouldn't work with that band.
In the Arms of Mrs. Mark of Cain
On Graveyard Hill
Catfish Kate
This Is My Fate
Silver Bullet
Los Surfers Muertos
Bird of Prey
Daniel Boone
Death Horizon
Nomatterday
Dregs of the Wine
Get Simulated
Thunder and Lightning
Pagan Man
Doggerel
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 11/28/2022 : 13:47:35
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| I think a better question would be if each Pixies 1.0 album was two 2.0 albums compressed down - what would the filler sound like? It would be like 8 new hypothetical Pixies 2.0 - which means roughly 4 new Pixies 2.0 of just the deleted filler! Maybe there's an AI program that can recreate that for us |
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tamefan
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Posted - 11/28/2022 : 20:03:41
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To clarify my question, by "as strong as" I mean it generally as "equally meritorious" not "equally good at replicating 1.0. conventions." We should allow for the fact that bands/artists evolve over time and become interested in creating different styles of music. In other words, the 15 tracks from BTE and Dog might fail to satisfy what you expect from a Pixies 1.0. album, yet on its own merits those 15 tracks might be equally enjoyable or praiseworthy, for reasons similar or dissimilar to the 1.0. albums.
I made this playlist and think it's a really impressive set of songs. The mix/master is similar across both records and they also share some similar themes & motifs (drinking, ghosts, sorrow, etc), so the tracks mesh quite well together:
- Nomatterday
- On Graveyard Hill
- Dregs of the Wine
- Long Rider
- Catfish Kate
- Haunted House
- Bird of Prey
- Who's More Sorry Now?
- This is My Fate
- Doggerel
- Silver Bullet
- Thunder and Lightning
- Daniel Boone
- Get Simulated
- In the Arms of Mr. and Mrs. Cain
If Pixies had released these 15 tracks as one album, instead of split between BTE and Doggerel, I think we would all have built little shrines to the glory of these 15 tracks in our closets so that we could pray to it every night before bed. Just my hunch. |
Edited by - tamefan on 11/28/2022 20:29:37 |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2022 : 00:11:35
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I think BTE is as good as one could expect for a band of their age. Love that record. And the podcast.
Doggerel is just good. Like Head Carrier.
You can make an amazing Pixies 2.0 playlist that's for sure.
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 11/29/2022 : 07:29:35
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
This is what mine would be, I guess, BTE and Dog. No demos, etc. Of course if we were including the BTE demos that would be a very different story. It looks like BTE has the bulk of the songs here. In my opinion though, still not a "great" album...more like "solid." But Pixies 1.0...it wouldn't work with that band.
In the Arms of Mrs. Mark of Cain
On Graveyard Hill
Catfish Kate
This Is My Fate
Silver Bullet
Los Surfers Muertos
Bird of Prey
Daniel Boone
Death Horizon
Nomatterday
Dregs of the Wine
Get Simulated
Thunder and Lightning
Pagan Man
Doggerel
This song choice seems right to me. Only qualm is that I * might * sub Pagan Man, probably for Haunted House.
Otherwise, I agree that you could make an excellent album - not Doolittle or Bossanova album, but given that Doolittle might be one of the greatest 5 or so rock albums of all time, that's not a slight.
That being said, I'm very happy with both BTE and Doggerel as they stand. Are they better than Surfer Rosa? No, but they're more where I'm at in life. |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
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955 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2022 : 16:40:48
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I almost replaced Pagan Man with Who's More Sorry Now. It was neck and neck at the last moment. I like both songs enough, but I think Pagan Man is just slightly more interesting, and...it's just kind of cute and appealing and catchy?
I am always in favor of MORE SONGS so I am glad nothing like this actually happened, and I still really wish we could hear so many of these reject songs that didn't make it...I wish I understood why it had to be only 12 songs on an album. How about like...14 or 15...? To me, these albums feel a bit short. |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 11/29/2022 : 22:34:02
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
This is what mine would be, I guess, BTE and Dog. No demos, etc. Of course if we were including the BTE demos that would be a very different story. It looks like BTE has the bulk of the songs here. In my opinion though, still not a "great" album...more like "solid." But Pixies 1.0...it wouldn't work with that band.
In the Arms of Mrs. Mark of Cain
On Graveyard Hill
Catfish Kate
This Is My Fate
Silver Bullet
Los Surfers Muertos
Bird of Prey
Daniel Boone
Death Horizon
Nomatterday
Dregs of the Wine
Get Simulated
Thunder and Lightning
Pagan Man
Doggerel
Hey Trouble, if you asked me to bet in advance how many Doggerel songs would make it to your list I would have guessed maybe 2 at most. Are you warming a bit more to the album now?
I need to think a bit before posting my top 15. I am still in a Doggerel haze right now.. |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
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955 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2022 : 11:54:10
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Originally posted by Sprite
quote:
Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
This is what mine would be, I guess, BTE and Dog. No demos, etc. Of course if we were including the BTE demos that would be a very different story. It looks like BTE has the bulk of the songs here. In my opinion though, still not a "great" album...more like "solid." But Pixies 1.0...it wouldn't work with that band.
In the Arms of Mrs. Mark of Cain
On Graveyard Hill
Catfish Kate
This Is My Fate
Silver Bullet
Los Surfers Muertos
Bird of Prey
Daniel Boone
Death Horizon
Nomatterday
Dregs of the Wine
Get Simulated
Thunder and Lightning
Pagan Man
Doggerel
Hey Trouble, if you asked me to bet in advance how many Doggerel songs would make it to your list I would have guessed maybe 2 at most. Are you warming a bit more to the album now?
I need to think a bit before posting my top 15. I am still in a Doggerel haze right now..
Hmm, not really...I just really dislike Long Rider...I really like Dregs of the Wine and Get Simulated, which to me are top tier. The rest I can sadly take or leave. Thunder and Lightning got in my head really bad and I'm not sure if that makes the song GOOD but it's something...like I don't think I'd put it on a favorites playlist or anything. I just want more weirdness and surprises. Now that I look at my choices, I may take off NoMatterDay and Doggerel, as those songs kind of lost their luster pretty fast for me. Doggerel's chorus really hurts the uniqueness of the song, and NoMatterDay just doesn't feel very inspired to me. |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
955 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2022 : 12:18:40
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Wait I have more to say. Two points:
1) I think the act of posting on an internet forum can maybe exaggerate things. Like I enjoy listening to Doggerel. I listened to it a lot. I don't hate it or anything. I think posting about it here and focusing on my issues with it may come across more negative than I'm intending, and I feel kind of bad about that.
2) I keep asking myself why do I love Frank Black & the Catholics, which is some of Frank's most straightforward songwriting, but when a Pixies album has that style it just turns me off. I think a big part of it is the production. The sound of those Catholics albums just feel very honest and down to earth and so Frank singing about having a broken heart or what have you, it just deeply affects me. But the Dalgety super polished sound of these Pixies albums...and the strange juxtaposition of this band of Pixies arranging Frank's current style of songwriting...something about it feels very hard to wrap my brain around (but isn't that what Pixies should be???)
Like something about Dave doing his Pixies beats under these songs, Joey doing his thing (and he's incredibly versatile in the way he fits in with all these songs), and Paz's Kim Deal-type bass, etc...I just keep questioning is this the right way to bring these songs to life? From Frank's interviews lately it genuinely seems like he doesn't have a lot of creative interest in the Pixies as a band or any motivation to make them as great as they could be. He keeps alluding it to being like a job, he keeps saying he doesn't really care what songs are on the albums, how they are arranged, how he considered giving up music, etc. He seemed more inspired when he's doing more his own thing, and the fact that he was actually working on a solo country album which seems to now be abandoned was incredibly sad and telling to me. Like he has this inner Frank Black &TC voice that wants to come out but he's got to be a Pixie, something he escaped decades ago. I may be projecting but this just keeps being reenforced by every interview of his that I read. Frank always says he's the snake and likes to constantly be moving and it seems the Pixies rotation he's in doesn't seem to allow that. He always makes a point of saying, possibly from self awareness, how grateful he is that this is his job. So I don't think it's a clear issue for him, but that there's a conflict..."I get to make money off of music...but is it the music I want to be making? Do I have a right to complain?"
Please take all with grain of salt! |
Edited by - Troubles A Foot on 11/30/2022 19:36:39 |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1017 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2022 : 13:05:51
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Yes, that is interesting. Particularly since one might say that the chorus of Doggerel and the second half of Nomatterday (or at least, its verses) are the most Catholics-esque moments of the album.
I think you might be onto something - I think Charles put a lot of effort into crafting the songs of Indie Cindy, which were then largely (and I think now, unfairly) rebuked by the press/public, and is now less interested in writing self-consciously as a Pixie. That being said, Frank has always, or at least going back to the 2000s spoke of song writing as a job involving workman-like craft rather than inspiration (this was something Kim Deal would - I think passive agressively - rebuke in the press when releasing new Breeders records after massive gaps in time). He's also seemed more interested in painting than songwriting for a while now as a creative outlet. Lastly, apart from Pailey (sp?) and Francis, he hasn't released an Americana album since 2005 - he was writing in the Black Francis voice well before the reunion of the Pixies. He did seem to think that he could scratch the country itch, should he want to, with the solo-album, but maybe feels reinvigorated by the development that the Pixies welcome that type of songwriting from him, and that he now doesn't have to think of his songwriting as an either-or (Americana or indie/alternative). Again, this is all conjecture. I'm sympathetic to a lot of what you wrote, just thought I'd test a counter-narrative.
By the way, would anyone slip the non-album singles into that list of 15? i.e., Hear Me Out, or Human Crime? Not sure if I would. Maybe Pagan Man for Human Crime, but maybe not. I prefer the music of Hear Me Out (like it quite a bit) but feel too let down by the blandness of the lyrics to include it. |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
955 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2022 : 22:52:43
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Sure, I'd put Human Crime ahead of a few of the songs, I think. I like it.
I think Hear Me Out is quite boring.
If I were including the BTE demos in this, the track list of 15 would be:
The Good Works of Cyrus
Please, Don't Go
Chapel Hill
Caught in a Dream
Mal De Mer
Hey, Debussy
Under the Marigold
How I Learned to Earn Rewards
I Just Can't Break It to You
Catfish Kate
Silver Bullet
Bird of Prey
Daniel Boone
Dregs of the Wine
Get Simulated
The only weird one for me is I actually skip Please, Don't Go due to personal sad reasons, but I do think it's a wonderful song and it should be on an album. I just can't listen to it because it came at a very specific time and I can't break the association. |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 12/01/2022 : 06:18:25
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Oh my.
I like the demoes, but the only song on it that I would put on a top 15 of the last two albums is The Good Works of Cyrus. *Maybe* Mal De Mer, but I don't know if it would fit well. I can't fathom putting Under the Marigold, How I learned to Earn Rewards, or I just Can't Break It to You in there. |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
955 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2022 : 08:17:48
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| I genuinely don't understand how those songs in particular aren't loved by fans of Frank Black's music. They're incredibly catchy, interesting, touching, and I'm not sure I've heard the band be more in sync and creative in recent years. They actually sound like a great rock band on these. There's so much joy and inspiration coming out of these recordings. |
Edited by - Troubles A Foot on 12/01/2022 08:23:42 |
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it's educational