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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
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 Posted - 06/14/2009 : 15:38:36
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It infuriates me when I invite people over to play music, with the vague idea in mind of starting a band, and I try to teach them something, only to find that they only read tab. You're missing so many crucial elements of the song that way.
Do professional band members actually learn any songs with tab? If so, how? |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 06/14/2009 : 18:20:22
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Are most TAB charts not notoriously incorrect?
What is missing?
I know they use something called the Nashville Number System
in many corners of the Country world. That takes more than
a little knowledge. Many Jazz musicians use head-sheets,
or just a chord chart. All of these are usually very minimal
in information.
Do they know chord names? Maybe you need to teach them. You
could be getting paid for that, you'ld be a pro. |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2009 : 05:12:47
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I just write down the basic chord structure for people.
ie. Am C Am C Bb F C
It varies though. For some I just show them on my guitar (to the bass player and other guitar player). They keyboard players likes things written out.
I never use tabs though. I don't read music so I can't be too snotty about it but you should at least know the names of the notes/chords.
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
USA
918 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2009 : 06:47:25
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It infuriates me when people need sheet music to know how to play, so I guess we'd be furious with each other. You mean you can't just hear the notes and know how to play it?
People have different ways of learning and playing. You're gonna be furious a lot if you only want to do it your way.
Qu'ils aillent se faire foutre <-- yeah, what he said. |
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/15/2009 : 09:06:28
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I always consider tablature to be a part of the learning experience. One of the building blocks. Low form but not in a bad way.
If someone always required tab to learn a song I'd presume they're still in the early stages of playing. If this person is someone I'd really like to be in a band with for whatever reason I'd persevere. |
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Arm Arm Arm
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/15/2009 : 09:33:09
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I don't care if someone prefers tabs, music notation or chord charts. I can read music but usually someone tells me the chords and goes through the rhythm and I dive in.
Sometimes I jump down to the other side of the neck and play a melody or two to three notes that meshes with what they're doing. If there's a lot of chord changes I'll write 'em out.
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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/15/2009 : 10:32:43
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| I write my music with tablature- I probably should start learning notes and scales but what can I say |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
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Arm Arm Arm
* Dog in the Sand *
1037 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2009 : 12:17:57
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2009 : 17:56:05
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Originally posted by Jefrey
It infuriates me when people need sheet music to know how to play, so I guess we'd be furious with each other. You mean you can't just hear the notes and know how to play it?
People have different ways of learning and playing. You're gonna be furious a lot if you only want to do it your way.
Qu'ils aillent se faire foutre <-- yeah, what he said.
Some people can pick up on things really quickly. But some songs are more complicated than others. If it's a handful to memorize, I'd expect the other players to need it written down. If I just write down the tab, they still have to learn the rhythm, and the phrasing, and the chord strum patterns. So I guess if I gave them a tab in conjunction with a recording, that would suffice. But it seems like a lot of dirty work. If I could just write out sheet music, I wouldn't have to record anything. Plus, the sheet music is a better archetype. It's exactly how I want it to sound. There is no confusion with sheet music - there's a lot of confusion with a recording, especially if you're recording it on cheap home equipment.
Of course, Jefrey, you're a far more accomplished musician than I am, so I should probably be listening to you rather than arguing. |
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
USA
918 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2009 : 09:58:39
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quote:
Originally posted by IceCream
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Originally posted by Jefrey
It infuriates me when people need sheet music to know how to play, so I guess we'd be furious with each other. You mean you can't just hear the notes and know how to play it?
People have different ways of learning and playing. You're gonna be furious a lot if you only want to do it your way.
Qu'ils aillent se faire foutre <-- yeah, what he said.
Some people can pick up on things really quickly. But some songs are more complicated than others. If it's a handful to memorize, I'd expect the other players to need it written down. If I just write down the tab, they still have to learn the rhythm, and the phrasing, and the chord strum patterns. So I guess if I gave them a tab in conjunction with a recording, that would suffice. But it seems like a lot of dirty work. If I could just write out sheet music, I wouldn't have to record anything. Plus, the sheet music is a better archetype. It's exactly how I want it to sound. There is no confusion with sheet music - there's a lot of confusion with a recording, especially if you're recording it on cheap home equipment.
Of course, Jefrey, you're a far more accomplished musician than I am, so I should probably be listening to you rather than arguing.
I don't think I'm a far more accomplished musician, far from it. I don't have any formal training in guitar at all, and I like it that way. I'm sure I'm missing out on a lot, but I like it to feel more organic if that makes any sense. I'm just fortunate enough to be able to play by ear (having a suzuki violin background).
I perfectly understand wanting to present the music exactly as you want it, but then it sound like what you really want is session musicians, not band members. I think one of the charms of a band is that it doesn't come out exactly how you imagined, and you get the nuances and differences in style of the other bands members in the end result.
My point is, for me, I can hear the song and most of the time I can figure out how to play it - sometimes I need someone to show me a chord if it's new to me. I personally don't enjoy memorizing stuff, and theory and sheet music is tedious to me. I wouldn't last long if someone was annoyed by that. It doesn't mean I suck at music, I just have a different style is all. Now, if you're getting nowhere because you're spending all day giving guitar lessons, then yeah, that would be pretty annoying. You need a certain level of talent and experience to get it done, for sure.
Qu'ils aillent se faire foutre <-- yeah, what he said. |
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
USA
918 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2009 : 10:02:43
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Originally posted by Skatealex1
I write my music with tablature- I probably should start learning notes and scales but what can I say
If it hasn't happened by now, ain't gonna happen ;)
I mean, does anyone that's not in a structured program ever really learn that stuff on their own?
Qu'ils aillent se faire foutre <-- yeah, what he said. |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 06/18/2009 : 07:55:56
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Tabs are pretty useless alright - they teach you how to play a song but not in a way that shows you patterns you can apply to other songs, as you see nothing of the harmonic relationship the notes have with each other. I read notation until I was 12, tried out tab when I got an electric guitar and then ran screaming back to notation... total waste of time it is.
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Allen Ginsberg says you got no soul. The ancient Egyptians say you got seven of these bastards, and Pharaohs got fourteen, what they get for being Pharaohs. |
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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *
1670 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2009 : 09:41:59
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quote:
Originally posted by Jefrey
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Originally posted by Skatealex1
I write my music with tablature- I probably should start learning notes and scales but what can I say
If it hasn't happened by now, ain't gonna happen ;)
I mean, does anyone that's not in a structured program ever really learn that stuff on their own?
Qu'ils aillent se faire foutre <-- yeah, what he said.
True. but I like to play by ear anyways- in fact my guitar playing is usually me making things up on the spot. music comes out much better that way I think- as apposed to having a specific way to play certain songs. My only problem is that I don't know my scales so I do mess up occasionally with the notes- but I like improvising when I play- comes out much more interesting and you can really be in the moment and the music reflects that  |
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
USA
918 Posts |
Posted - 06/19/2009 : 14:28:37
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Originally posted by Skatealex1
quote:
Originally posted by Jefrey
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Originally posted by Skatealex1
I write my music with tablature- I probably should start learning notes and scales but what can I say
If it hasn't happened by now, ain't gonna happen ;)
I mean, does anyone that's not in a structured program ever really learn that stuff on their own?
Qu'ils aillent se faire foutre <-- yeah, what he said.
True. but I like to play by ear anyways- in fact my guitar playing is usually me making things up on the spot. music comes out much better that way I think- as apposed to having a specific way to play certain songs. My only problem is that I don't know my scales so I do mess up occasionally with the notes- but I like improvising when I play- comes out much more interesting and you can really be in the moment and the music reflects that
That kind of what I feel. It would be much easier to solo and improvise if I knew the scales, but then I'd be aware of what I was doing instead of letting it come naturally. Once you go down the path of theory, can't regain your innocence.
Qu'ils aillent se faire foutre <-- yeah, what he said. |
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guitar tabs - the lowest form of music notation
