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Schitzophonic
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
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 Posted - 09/09/2007 : 10:50:34
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Wow. I think hope you're right....
 an undisclosed number of visitors can't be wrong |
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2463 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2007 : 15:08:49
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Looking at the straightforward listing on the site, it just gave the iTunes link.
But maybe.... |
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ccuadros
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/09/2007 : 15:24:27
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mr.biscuitdoughhead
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1729 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2007 : 17:56:49
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ziggy, what do you mean "straightforward listing"? i hope it does come out on cd, i hate itunes.
 "How do you like that, Sir Harold?"
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2007 : 18:14:54
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Extremely excellent, I just bought from Itunes a few weeks ago and I was disappointed, thank you.
My order is to Canada, I will let you know how it turns out. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2007 : 14:47:51
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can I anybody confirm this? They look like iTunes to me!
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
4307 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2007 : 18:53:47
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they look like cd's to me. when i go to buy bluefinger it says it will ship to my address. i will add one more road to see what happens.
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
4307 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2007 : 18:54:23
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looks like cd's after i add them all. hmmmmm, don't know what to do.
The waxworks were an immensely eloquent dissertation on the wonderful ordinariness of mankind. |
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
4307 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2007 : 19:01:47
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i was order number 7.
did you order snake and one more road hammerhands?
The waxworks were an immensely eloquent dissertation on the wonderful ordinariness of mankind. |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
1446 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2007 : 19:25:11
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| It's a brand new site, people. There are bugs. On the actual discography page with all of the albums, SNAKE OIL and ROAD have only iTunes links accompanying them. It looks like they were included with the CDs in the blackfrancis.net webstore area by mistake. I'd say there's a 100% chance of an order cancellation e-mail coming ya'll's way soon. |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
1446 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2007 : 19:32:37
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Originally posted by mr.biscuitdoughhead
ziggy, what do you mean "straightforward listing"? i hope it does come out on cd, i hate itunes.
"How do you like that, Sir Harold?"
Click on the little radio icon at the bottom of the main blackfrancis.net page and look through the albums. Everything has both a "Buy Album" button and "iTunes" button... except for Snake Oil and One More Road for the Hit, which only have "iTunes" buttons.
You can only get to these non-existent SNAKE and ROAD CDs by viewing the actual webstore.
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2007 : 23:31:29
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I ordered both. Where did you see your order number?
Let's use Jason's theory and say there are no CDs right now. There does exist some basic artwork and a master. You could do a run of 300 cds (replication) and packaging for $2.19 x 300 = $657.00 (cdn), that's only 44 orders, or about 60 orders with free shipping. I think I would even be happy with a CD-R.
I'm sure I lost a copy of All of My Ghosts, I had that version of Living On Soul stuck in my head (and as of this last day pre-9/11 it is my preferred song in the whole library), but maybe I had only heard it on the podcast. I HAD to hear it, I was frantic, I ordered a copy of the EP and I bought the Itunes albums. I was very surprised to hear the same pop on the last "atoll" on the EP, but the Itunes file has a really bad halo of distortion around the voice, the wow and flutter of a cassette tape, and the cymbals and guitars sing along with Frank (if you get a chance to A-B this, listen to the crash at the end of the first chorus 'reatomize you', and while there is an odd congruence of the cymbal and words in the original at the last 'bursting', in Itunes the cymbal actually mouths the words). |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 02:56:32
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Out of Stock
Greetings,
Our records show you recently purchased two albums from the Black Francis web store. Thank you for your purchases! However, due to an error in the programming of the website, those items, which are currently out of stock (in hard copy) were listed as available. We're terribly sorry for the inconvenience! Your payment has been refunded through paypal but please check back soon, as we're hoping these albums will become available in the near future. Thanks again,
The Bureau
[They are no longer in the product list.] |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 04:07:49
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that does say they will be available in hard copy!
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Schitzophonic
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
79 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 04:19:54
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1734 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 04:53:04
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I ordered One More Road, and I still have no email...
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
1446 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 08:23:15
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Originally posted by billgoodman
that does say they will be available in hard copy!
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
Again, I seriously, seriously wouldn't expect this. The e-mail hammerhands posted was not a personal note. It was a form e-mail sent out when anything is unavailable.
I'd love to see these comps on CD, too, but the only news in this thread is that the new webstore had a bug and now someone's fixed it. |
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barnard666
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Posted - 09/12/2007 : 09:54:34
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My paypal mail was less optomistic:
Message from Seller:
Both discs not currently available. An error in website design listed them as such, sincere apologies from Blackfrancis.net. Check back for future availability!
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 12:41:06
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Originally posted by Jason
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Originally posted by billgoodman
that does say they will be available in hard copy!
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
Again, I seriously, seriously wouldn't expect this. The e-mail hammerhands posted was not a personal note. It was a form e-mail sent out when anything is unavailable.
I'd love to see these comps on CD, too, but the only news in this thread is that the new webstore had a bug and now someone's fixed it.
well, ''anything''? They do have Bluefinger!
But I guess you are right. To be honest, I really don't see a big problem releasing those. Maybe with the covers and the copyright. But really, just make 1000 of them on CDR for 10 bucks and everybody here would have one. You can make a nice profit too. I'm no bussinessman, but if Kristin Hersh and Robert Pollard can pull these things off, Blackie should have no problem. This is like the 100000th time I said this, but I will say it again untill I have those cd's in my hands!
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/12/2007 : 20:35:28
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I would be thrilled with CDs of the the b-side comps (not CD-Rs, though), and maybe someday they will happen, but if they do, it's not gonna be now--not with a new album having just come out.
One thing that makes me think CDs are unlikely though is that Frank appears very down with the iTunes. See the iTunes-only bonus tracks for Bluefinger. It's a format he seems happy with. |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 20:49:33
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I will not buy from Itunes again until I can get lossless files, although I will listen to what the new Itunes Plus files sound like.
My new policy will be to find those things on file sharing and wait until they are available.
A John Lydon link, anyone? Carl? |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2007 : 01:16:23
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Originally posted by Jason
I would be thrilled with CDs of the the b-side comps (not CD-Rs, though), and maybe someday they will happen, but if they do, it's not gonna be now--not with a new album having just come out.
One thing that makes me think CDs are unlikely though is that Frank appears very down with the iTunes. See the iTunes-only bonus tracks for Bluefinger. It's a format he seems happy with.
he's done oddballs before, and maybe he wasn't happy how that worked out. But I would seriously reconsider it now, with paypal and a growing internet community: you can't really lose.
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Adam
= Cult of Ray =
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2007 : 03:52:41
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Don't forget CV was selling that HUGE FB&TC package over the summer. I assume that was the Catholics box set we heard about over 2 years ago. Give it some time, hey just may appear.
7/27/99 9:30 Club DC
6/18/00 Fletcher's Baltimore
8/14/06 Chameleon Club Lancaster, PA |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/13/2007 : 07:18:26
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Originally posted by billgoodman
quote:
Originally posted by Jason
I would be thrilled with CDs of the the b-side comps (not CD-Rs, though), and maybe someday they will happen, but if they do, it's not gonna be now--not with a new album having just come out.
One thing that makes me think CDs are unlikely though is that Frank appears very down with the iTunes. See the iTunes-only bonus tracks for Bluefinger. It's a format he seems happy with.
he's done oddballs before, and maybe he wasn't happy how that worked out. But I would seriously reconsider it now, with paypal and a growing internet community: you can't really lose.
Oddballs came out in 2000. That was before iTunes (or before it was popular, at least), before iPods, before much of anybody was paying for downloads, before every other music fan I talk to started saying that they no longer buy CDs.
Frank got into selling his music as downloaded files very early, before almost anyone. The first Catholics album was being sold as a download in either 1998 or 1999 from a site called goodnoise.com. Then, a few years later, Catholics shows were sold on the internet (was the site called hearitagain.com?), and then the two b-sides collections, and now you get bonus songs when you buy Bluefinger on iTunes.
This all reminds me of the late 80s, when record companies were pushing CDs and looking to kill off vinyl. A lot of CDs came out with bonus tracks not on the vinyl. Now some albums are coming out on iTunes with bonus tracks not on the CD. |
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Zsolt G.
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Posted - 09/13/2007 : 14:27:45
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As many others have said Itunes is a deceptively unfriendly format. I think when we, the consumer are willing to pay for a music file that is:
1. Worse Quality than what was available 20 years ago (Some will argue since the dawn of vinyl)
2. Boobytrapped with copy-protection.
3. Impossible to lend, sell, or gift in it's original form which has been also available since the beginning of recorded music.
simply for the sake of convenience, then we deserve what we get. Hope Frank isn't so lazy as to leave his fans with no option. If he's dead set on abandoning the physical realm he should at least sell a full quality product for dedicated fans from his personal website and sell to the plebs through Itunes. I will either ignore or steal "itunes exclusive" material otherwise, and would recommend others do the same. In fact his old producer is doing it right: "Speaking of Shellac, the Touch and Go digital store will also offer both CD quality 16 bit and above CD quality 24 bit WAV files of Shellac's latest long player, Excellent Italian Greyhound (out June 5)." It would cost Frank nothing and it would make the kids happy, so why not. |
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 09/13/2007 : 16:22:47
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I like iTunes less and less all the time (partly because of the low quality of the files and partly because it's becoming a behemoth), and I do agree with your points, Zsolt, but not all of these criticisms are completely Apple's fault. They had to make certain concessions when they were breaking open the online music business -- otherwise, the record companies never would have licensed their material to Apple. These issues ARE being resolved, though. With iTunes Plus, there's no DRM and the bitrate is twice as high as before. There aren't that many albums on iTunes Plus yet, but it's a step in the right direction.
 Please pardon me, for these my wrongs. |
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/13/2007 : 16:40:29
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I have no problem at all with iTunes. I only really buy Frank Black stuff on there anyway. I don't really care about the quality of the files, because quite simply I can't tell any difference and I enjoy the songs as much as anybody.
I've listened to Snake Oil and OMRFTH literally hundreds of times and I'm never thinking of the quality of the file when I hear them, I'm just thinking "Wow, what great music!".
It's been well worth the money in my opinion. I never regret purchasing them.
"The arc of triumph" |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2007 : 01:42:14
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Not saying cd's are very romantic, but I do have a lot of them and I looking at them
a file on my computer? Fuck it, there's nothing special about that. Music is music of course,
but I like physical product. Just like I don't read books online, maybe people will eventually start reading
digital when they solve the lightning-problems. But still, you can't beat a real book.
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
4307 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2007 : 02:00:27
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well said my friend, well said!
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Originally posted by billgoodman
Not saying cd's are very romantic, but I do have a lot of them and I looking at them
a file on my computer? Fuck it, there's nothing special about that. Music is music of course,
but I like physical product. Just like I don't read books online, maybe people will eventually start reading
digital when they solve the lightning-problems. But still, you can't beat a real book.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
The waxworks were an immensely eloquent dissertation on the wonderful ordinariness of mankind. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2007 : 07:20:08
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thanks! Let me rephrase something though, I meant: I do have a lot of them and I like looking at them.
Sure it's superficial, but seeing 20+ cd's filled with Charles Thompson-product can sometimes lighten up my day. I know that if I have 20 directories on my computer screen I tend to delete them all, because my mind gets twisted. Where to start? What will suit my mood today?
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mr.biscuitdoughhead
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 09/15/2007 : 08:28:36
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Originally posted by billgoodman
Not saying cd's are very romantic, but I do have a lot of them and I looking at them
a file on my computer? Fuck it, there's nothing special about that. Music is music of course,
but I like physical product. Just like I don't read books online, maybe people will eventually start reading
digital when they solve the lightning-problems. But still, you can't beat a real book.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
i totally agree. i've actually been dl'ing a lot of stuff lately and it feels akward for some reason. i love cd's, i'm almost out of room actually. 
"How do you like that, Sir Harold?"
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quadrophenic
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Posted - 09/15/2007 : 14:20:50
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I agree completely with both of the following posts, even though they seem to be completely different points of view. It's weird, right?
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pixiestu:
"I have no problem at all with iTunes. I only really buy Frank Black stuff on there anyway. I don't really care about the quality of the files, because quite simply I can't tell any difference and I enjoy the songs as much as anybody.
I've listened to Snake Oil and OMRFTH literally hundreds of times and I'm never thinking of the quality of the file when I hear them, I'm just thinking "Wow, what great music!".
It's been well worth the money in my opinion. I never regret purchasing them."
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billgoodman:
"Not saying cd's are very romantic, but I do have a lot of them and I looking at them
a file on my computer? Fuck it, there's nothing special about that. Music is music of course,
but I like physical product. Just like I don't read books online, maybe people will eventually start reading
digital when they solve the lightning-problems. But still, you can't beat a real book." |
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/15/2007 : 14:36:18
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I think it is possible to agree with both, I do myself actually.
I agree that a CD is a great thing, I like looking at my overflowing FB CD rack and I would love for these to be on CD. Having a physical product with liner notes is exciting. But if it's not available in that format then why deprive yourself of these great songs, just because they're not fitting that ideal?
If mp3's are the only way they are available at the time then so be it. Enjoy them!
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barnard666
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Posted - 09/17/2007 : 02:42:20
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I think certain things like the itunes live session and the ghost recon stuff would simply be unavailable oif it werent for I tunes, and for that I am thankful, I'll happily buy a song for 79p, however I really hate digital music, I love CD's and continue to buy hods of them...I think the itunes bluefinger bonus tracks are pretty criminal...they should have been on the album, my only thought is that perhaps they were planned to be b-sides, and then the captain pasty single got pulled, and it was simply too late to get them on the real CD...well thats what I hope to be the case...
I remember seeing frank on the TV going through his record collection (adam and joe show i think?) all his CD's were in one of those wallet things, with the booklets squeezed in behind each disc, the tray inlays were nowhere to be seen...perhaps he threw them away!?? I know others who have done this, it's criminal! but I think some people simply dont care about the physical object, and just want to have an uncluttered life, and mp3's are awesome in that respect! thinkingabout it, I am stupid having my life over run by annoying pieces of plastic, and hell its not good for mother earth....but I cant help it, I love CD's and record collecting... |
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 09/19/2007 : 22:11:11
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quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
Not saying cd's are very romantic, but I do have a lot of them and I looking at them
a file on my computer? Fuck it, there's nothing special about that. Music is music of course,
but I like physical product. Just like I don't read books online, maybe people will eventually start reading
digital when they solve the lightning-problems. But still, you can't beat a real book.
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BF: Mag ik Engels spreken?
I agree with there's nothing romantic about looking at music on a computer, but CD cover are so damn small, they've been pretty worthless as artifacts from the beginning. As soon as they came out I felt they were horrible compared to the giant cardboard sleeves of an LP that were actually works of art that you could view without a magnifying glass.
These days, I have somewhere around 1000 physical CD's. Who knows, I lost count long ago. There's nowhere left to put them. I have them archived in drawers and filling up every cupboard and book case I have.
Once they go in my iPod, honestly I never really look at them again. I rather like being able to put my entire music collection in my pocket. I maintain that there are many many physical CD's out there that were mastered to sound like shit. Lossless shitty sound still sounds like shit. All the Squeeze albums on CD sound like shit. Shit Shit Shit Shit Shit.
I will concede that I can tell the difference between the regular iTunes AAC files and the iTunes plus. But not enough that I think the regular AAC's sound bad. There's definitely a richer sound to the plus ones. I'd definitely go for the plus at the extra price if there was a choice.
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'One More Road for the Hit' & 'Snake Oil' on CD!?
