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The King Of Karaoke
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 Posted - 07/21/2007 : 14:35:59
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| In fact, I'm playing into their hands by arguing with you. Divide and conquer. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 07/21/2007 : 14:54:52
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
All I'm trying to show you is that it's bigger than what you are aware of. If you want to fight the good fight I think it's imporatant that you know your enemy.
Otherwise you are just treading water.
Why don't you give it 30 minutes?
You ever consider that you might not know what you're talking about?
I gave a rational listing of your argument about solar cycles and earthquakes (and I believe showed what a bunch of foeey it was) and you don't respond. You just call me closed minded and post another link to another YouTube video. It's pointless. Your enemies have nothing to fear. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 07/22/2007 : 18:09:23
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You act as if you are the first person I've ever tried to convince of this crazy theory. Concerning the subject of 9/11 I've done my homework. If I was going to present this crazy conspiracy theory as actually being true I needed to know as much as I could about it. I gave out 450 dvd's last year (each of which contained two movies), emails, phone, calls, flyers, bumperstickers, Myspace postings, etc, etc.. I've changed many, many minds and lives. Many that thought that I was "losing it" have turned around, appologized and thanked me. My Oreilly loving best friend being one. I would much rather believe what the government is telling me, life would be a whole lot easier. You think it's easy realizing everything you've been told your whole life is a lie? I want to go back to fearing AlQaeda, the problem is, I tend to take TRUTH as the authroity, not AUTHORITY as the truth. I've had way too many question from the get go.
I suppose you for a while feared the "Evildoers"?
You have unknowingly become a good citizen of George Orwells - not so fictitious - world of "1984"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgoSOQ2xrbI
So, you've apparently never heard the theory that the solar storms affect the earth's seismic activity. Is this really so hard to fathom? Do you believe the moon eafects the tides? The earth is round?
Give me some links supporting your belief or some refuting mine. All you did was come back with some psuedo-intellectual bullshit. At least I provided something to back up my statements. All you accomplished was to make yourself sound like a pompas ass. Hey Darwin, it's time to evolve brother, natural selction is about to wipe your stagnant ass out.
If Harvard is researching and writing on it, can it be that fucking crazy? |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 07/22/2007 : 19:13:57
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
All I'm trying to show you is that it's bigger than what you are aware of. If you want to fight the good fight I think it's imporatant that you know your enemy.
Otherwise you are just treading water.
Why don't you give it 30 minutes?
You ever consider that you might not know what you're talking about?
I gave a rational listing of your argument about solar cycles and earthquakes (and I believe showed what a bunch of foeey it was) and you don't respond. You just call me closed minded and post another link to another YouTube video. It's pointless. Your enemies have nothing to fear.
“It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory,
mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the
World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics.”
— Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret), Former Political-Military Affairs
Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director
of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force veteran.
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 07/22/2007 : 19:59:38
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Paul Craig Roberts: A Wake-up Call
by Paul Craig Roberts
This is a wake-up call that we are about to have another 9/11-WMD experience.
The wake-up call is unlikely to be effective, because the American attitude toward government changed fundamentally seventy-odd years ago. Prior to the 1930s, Americans were suspicious of government, but with the arrival of the Great Depression, Tojo, and Hitler, President Franklin D. Roosevelt convinced Americans that government existed to protect them from rapacious private interests and foreign threats. Today, Americans are more likely to give the benefit of the doubt to government than they are to family members, friends, and those who would warn them about the government’s protection.
Intelligent observers are puzzled that President Bush is persisting in a futile and unpopular war at the obvious expense of his party’s electoral chances in 2008.
In the July 18 Los Angeles Times (”Bush the Albatross”), Ronald Brownstein reminds us that Bush’s behavior is disastrous for his political party. Unpopular presidents “have consistently undercut their party in the next election.” Brownstein reports that “88% of voters who disapproved of the retiring president’s job performance voted against his party’s nominee in past elections . . . . On average, 80% of voters who disapproved of a president’s performance have voted against his party’s candidates even in House races since 1986.”
Brownstein notes that with Bush’s dismal approval rating, this implies a total wipeout of the Republicans in 2008.
A number of pundits have concluded that the reason the Democrats have not brought a halt to Bush’s follies is that they expect Bush’s unpopular policies to provide them with a landslide victory next year.
There is a problem with this reasoning. It assumes that Cheney, Rove, and the Republicans are ignorant of these facts or are content for the Republican Party to be destroyed after Bush has his warmonger-police state fling. “After me, the deluge.”
Isn’t it more likely that Cheney and Rove have in mind events that will, once again, rally the people behind President Bush and the Republican Party that is fighting the “war on terror” that the Democrats “want to lose”?
Such events could take a number of forms. As even diehard Republican Patrick J. Buchanan observed on July 17, with three US aircraft carrier battle groups in congested waters off Iran, another Tonkin Gulf incident could easily be engineered to set us at war with Iran. If Bush’s intentions were merely to bomb a nuclear reactor, he would not need three carrier strike forces.
Lately, the administration has switched to blaming Iran for the war in Iraq. The US Senate has already lined up behind the latest lie with a 97-0 vote to condemn Iran.
Alternatively, false flag “terrorist” strikes could be orchestrated in the US. The Bush administration has already infiltrated some dissident groups and encouraged them to participate in terrorist talk, for which they were arrested. It is possible that the administration could provoke some groups to actual acts of violence.
Many Americans dismiss suspicion of their government as treasonous, and most believe conspiracy to be impossible “because someone would talk.”
There is no basis in any known fact for this opinion.
According to polls, 36% of the American people disbelieve the 9/11 Commission Report. Despite this lack of confidence, and despite the numerous omissions and errors in the report, it has proven impossible to have an independent investigation of 9/11 or to examine the official explanation in public debate. Even experts and people with a lifetime of distinguished public service are dismissed as “conspiracy theorists,” “kooks,” and “traitors” if they question the official explanation of 9/11. This despite the fact that war in the Middle East, a long-planned goal of Bush’s neoconservative administration, could not have been initiated without a “new Pearl Harbor.”
That powerfully constructed steel buildings could suddenly turn to dust because they were struck by two flimsy aluminum airliners and experienced small fires on a few floors that burned for a short time appears unexceptionable to a majority of Americans.
Moreover, people have talked. Hundreds of them. Firefighters, police, janitors, and others report hearing and experiencing a series of explosions in upper floors and massive explosions in the underground basements. This eyewitness testimony was kept under wraps for three or more years until the official explanation had taken root. The oral histories were finally forced loose by freedom of information act suits. The eyewitness reports of explosion after explosion had no effect.
Larry Silverstein, who received billions of dollars in insurance payments for the destroyed buildings, talked. He said on public television that the order was given “to pull” building 7. His stunning admission had no effect.
The Bush administration is preparing us for more terrorist attacks. The latest intelligence report says that Al Qaeda has regrouped, rebuilt, and has the ability to come after us again. “Al Qaeda will intensify its efforts to put operatives here,” says the report.
Security operatives, such as Michael Chertoff, and various instruments of administration propaganda have warned that we will be attacked before next year’s election. Chertoff is not a person who wants to be known as Chicken Little for telling us that the sky is falling.
Bush has the Republican Party in such a mess that it cannot survive without another 9/11. Whether authentic or orchestrated, an attack will activate Bush’s new executive orders, which create a dictatorial police state in event of “national emergency.” [Read]
The UK government is hand-in-glove with the Bush administration and will provide cover or verification for whatever claim the Bush administration advances. So will the right-wing governments in Canada and Australia. That takes care of the English-speaking world from which contrary explanations might reach the American people.
It is possible that Bush is now too weak, that suspicion is too great, and that there is too much internal resistance in the federal bureaucracy and military for any such scenario. If so, then my prediction prior to the invasion that the US invasion of Iraq will destroy Bush, the Republican Party, and the conservative movement will be proven true. The Democrats’ strategy of doing nothing except making sure Bush gets his way will produce the landslide that they expect.
However, this assumes that Cheney, Rove, and their neoconservative allies have lost their cunning and their manipulative skills. It is difficult to imagine a more dangerous assumption for Democrats and the American people to make.
Once the US experiences new attacks, Bush will be vindicated. His voice will be confident as he speaks to the nation: “My administration knew that there would be more attacks from these terrorists who hate us and our way of life and are determined to destroy every one of us. If only more of you had believed me and supported my war on terror these new attacks would not have happened. Our security efforts were impaired by the Democrats’ determined attempts to surrender to the terrorists by forcing our withdrawal from Iraq and by civil libertarian assaults on our necessary security measures. If only more Americans had trusted their government, this would not have happened.” And so on. Anyone should be able to write the script.
Paul Craig Roberts wrote the Kemp-Roth bill and was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is author or coauthor of eight books, including The Supply-Side Revolution (Harvard University Press). He has held numerous academic appointments, including the William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University and Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 07/22/2007 : 20:15:41
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Originally posted by The King Of Karaoke
So, you've apparently never heard the theory that the solar storms effect the earth's seismic activity. Is this really so hard to fathom? The moon effects the tides for Pete's sake!
Give me some links supporting your belief or some refuting mine. All you did was come back with some psuedo-intellectual bullsihit. At least I provided something to back up what I was saying. All you did was make yourself sound like a pompas ass. I can imagine you "If 'Darwin' has never heard of this then it's not true." It's time to evolve brother.
I mean if Harvard is researching it can it be that fucking crazy?
And you're too dumb to realize that even if solar storms affect seismic activity (which they may, not my field) that an increase earthquakes is not a good indication of higher solar storm activity. And certainly isn't good evidence that global warming isn't caused by humans.
You don't even know what pseudo-intellectual means. What I presented was YOUR line of argument. Perhaps you didn't recognize it. |
Edited by - darwin on 07/22/2007 20:30:57 |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 07/22/2007 : 20:17:33
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 07/22/2007 : 20:32:10
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You've got the globalists pushing the "man made" theory because it helps them progress their plan for one world governance. The globalists as in "New World Order" own the media. So which theory do you think will prevail? If they decide to say solar activity is down, it's down. But realizing that solar activity can affect the seismic activity on earth and hearing eight years ago that we will see this in the form of more earthquakes I have to wonder if it really has subsided. I'm no expert but I know how controlled the media is.
Comprende?
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Visiting Sasquatch
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/24/2007 : 16:32:33
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Originally posted by darwin
Sorry I'm not going to be spending my time watching conspiracy videos about 911 (or aliens, Sasquatch, or the Federal Reserve).
But I do exist! I am here! Believe! |
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 04:24:13
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KOK, stop posting after yourself over and over again. If you want people to take you even half way seriously try writing an argument, yourself, with supporting links to articles rather than you tube link after article after you tube link. Do you expect people to honestly stop what they're doing and check all this guff out because you said so?
What on earth is this thread about?
Idiot. |
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 05:56:05
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it's supposed to be about the 2008 candidates. go ron paul!
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The King Of Karaoke
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2008 Presidential Candidates
