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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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 Posted - 10/04/2006 : 09:50:08
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The news of Janet Weiss joining the Jicks (and a discussion with some friends last night) got me thinking about drumming. The Jante Weiss news made me think of this because I thought "How does this really affect the sound? Will their be a noticeable difference?" I think drummers can definitely impact the sound of a band. Dave Grohl famously made Nirvana awesome with his excellent skinsmanship, though I don't really listen to Nirvana albums and think about how awesomet he drumming is, it's just really solid and perfect for the music (and that's all it needs to be, though that's just the nature of their music. Same goes for the guitar work and the bass playing).
So how often do you think of an album (or a song, but really more an entire album) as having great drumming? You love the melodies or the vocals or the chord structure or the solos, but how often do you say "the drumming is fantastic on that record"? Aside from the people out their who have their drum heroes (ie. Neil Pert or Jon Bonham or something similar), especially in proggier music. I don't mean wanky drums solos or 17 minute epics with 5 time signature changes (not that those aren't valid musical forms, they just lend themselves to spectacular drumming, where a 3 minute pop song generally does not).
I can, off the top of my hand, think of only a few album where the drumming stands out:
Teenager - Nick Vincent is just amazing, I wish he would have stuck around with FB.
Chavez (both of their albums and the ep that I have)- "The" James Lo is just a fearsome beast of a drummer. Always doing something interesting, always exciting the ears, yet consistently doing just what the song calls for, never overplaying, and always maintaining the feel.
How about you?
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/04/2006 : 09:56:04
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Not to pick the most obvious choice, but Grohl really is an amazing drummer. Some of the fills and beats on In Utero (Nirvana) and Songs For The Deaf (QOTSA). He should stop writing boringass radio rock songs and go back to drumming full time. For me.
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2006 : 10:01:00
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Granted, his fill on the QOTSA single from Song For the Deaf (I forget the name) is amazing, but I'm pretty sure that they replaced him with 12 armed robot for that measure. Seriously, no human could do that.
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fbc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/04/2006 : 10:23:14
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That drum beat at the start and during 'Scentless Apprentice' is one of the greatest ever, and pretty damn impossible for the 'play's a little but not a lot' player [i.e. me] to mimic. Oh, and 'Radio Friendly Unit Shifter' is immense, especially the outro.
Certain songs I listen to especially for the beat are 'Dead' and the live versions of "Palace of the Brine'. I just love the sound of tom-toms.
I wish I could play better than I do, but after a minute or so every limb begins playing the same beat at the same time. |
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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <
France
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fbc
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United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2006 : 10:31:51
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I think you've just found the drummer for 'Schwarma'
oh but my joy of today / is that we can all be proud to say / to be bald, gifted and black / is where it's at |
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
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Posted - 10/04/2006 : 18:44:46
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i think Throwing Muses are another example where the drumming really helps define the songs...especially early TM. cause Dave Narcizo came from a marching band background so for the first few records did not use cymbals at all.
gives the records a very unique sound...
he's also an amazing drummer...and was voted best drummer in the world by some drum mag in the early 90's....
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WolfManMikeLonely
= Cult of Ray =
USA
936 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2006 : 22:37:19
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I've had my share of fights with drummers. My favorite drumming that comes to mind is Adam Pfallers stuff with Jawbreaker I don't think I've ever heard him complimented he just seems slightly odd on a lot of songs and it sounds really great to me. Also all of Abe Cunninghams stuff with the deftones, he's just amazing. I've come to realize though that I know next to nothing about drumming, within my band I've had apparently what was one of the greatest drummers that ever walked the Delmarva Penninsula and a guy that just started playing a few months before he joined us and I still prefer everything he does to the first guy. Jimmy Chamberlain from the Pumpkins is pretty cool too, and Michael from the Bouncing Souls and before that Murphys Law he's always quite impressive to watch live.
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fbc
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United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2006 : 01:13:24
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 10/05/2006 : 01:40:20
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I don't like Secret Machines, but I saw them in concert and their drummer's phenomenal. I also like the fella from Yeah Yeah Yeah's, and the drummer in Bloc Party - again, not a big fan of the band but I think he adds a lot to the sound that wouldn't be there with a 'normal' drummer.
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starmekitten
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/05/2006 : 03:01:07
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quote:
Originally posted by cassandra is
then take a look at this...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9T8SpOq60s
and I have a live version of the same song where he is even more impressive
That was scary. Not least because I now have some idea of Dave Grohls sex face. |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1718 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2006 : 05:12:41
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I'd never really paid attention to drumming, really, but Rob Ahlers in 50 Foot Wave, Dave Lombardo in Fantômas - and Terry Bozzio when he's filling in, I have a DVD of their 2005 show in Montreux that made my jaw drop - and Joey Baron in Zorn's recent Moonchild got the kind of response you mention from me.
free music | Blackolero | Frank Black & Pixies Tributes |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2006 : 05:19:47
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quote:
Originally posted by Doog
Not to pick the most obvious choice, but Grohl really is an amazing drummer. Some of the fills and beats on In Utero (Nirvana) and Songs For The Deaf (QOTSA). He should stop writing boringass radio rock songs and go back to drumming full time. For me.
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www.myspace.com/doog = solo choons
www.myspace.com/casabonitaband = noisey stuff
www.myspace.com/WKtheband = surfrockpop geekery
www.myspace.com/ukpixiestribute = Nimrod's Son
I completely agree with this, and Cheeseman's post too.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 10/05/2006 : 06:01:14
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Originally posted by jediroller
I'd never really paid attention to drumming, really, but Rob Ahlers in 50 Foot Wave, Dave Lombardo in Fantômas - and Terry Bozzio when he's filling in, I have a DVD of their 2005 show in Montreux that made my jaw drop - and Joey Baron in Zorn's recent Moonchild got the kind of response you mention from me.
free music | Blackolero | Frank Black & Pixies Tributes
Yeah, Dave Lombardo! Double-kick-drum-Slayer-tastic!
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ObfuscateByWill
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Broken Face
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USA
5157 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2006 : 07:49:32
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i saw QOTSA twice on the Deaf tour, unfortunately w/o Grohl. Their replacement was good enough, but no Grohl. Still, one of the best live shows i've seen (despite having Nick Oliveri's exposed cock about 4 feet from my face at the club date i saw).
I think more times than not a good drummer can make or break a song. Imagine "Bone Machine" without that backwards sounding drum pattern, or "Won't Get Fooled Again" without Keith Moon's antics?
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1220 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2006 : 09:27:48
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quote:
Originally posted by Doog
Not to pick the most obvious choice, but Grohl really is an amazing drummer. Some of the fills and beats on In Utero (Nirvana) and Songs For The Deaf (QOTSA). He should stop writing boringass radio rock songs and go back to drumming full time. For me.
Lolz, I forgot to add "are phenominal" after the beats and fills bit, hahaha.
I can do that drum fill in No-One Knows, it's not impossible. I once filled in for "Grohl" at a Nirvana tribute band show, that shit is FUN to play live.
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www.myspace.com/WKtheband = surfrockpop geekery
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edbanky
= Cult of Ray =
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
388 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2006 : 09:31:27
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Everyone knows Josh Homme is the best drummer out there. I've seen him do this thing where he hits the crash cymbal and the kick drum . . . AT THE SAME TIME. Beat that.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2006 : 14:19:20
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quote:
Originally posted by Doog
quote:
Originally posted by Doog
Not to pick the most obvious choice, but Grohl really is an amazing drummer. Some of the fills and beats on In Utero (Nirvana) and Songs For The Deaf (QOTSA). He should stop writing boringass radio rock songs and go back to drumming full time. For me.
Lolz, I forgot to add "are phenominal" after the beats and fills bit, hahaha.
I can do that drum fill in No-One Knows, it's not impossible. I once filled in for "Grohl" at a Nirvana tribute band show, that shit is FUN to play live.
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www.myspace.com/doog = solo choons
www.myspace.com/casabonitaband = noisey stuff
www.myspace.com/WKtheband = surfrockpop geekery
www.myspace.com/ukpixiestribute = Nimrod's Son
You and your goddam musical talent, you make me sick.
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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
431 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2006 : 14:37:59
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| I just bought a cheap kit off ebay today after I jammed on one at college and fell in love with them. I've had such a bad headache since, though. |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2006 : 15:47:02
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| John Wright of Nomeansno is good. |
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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2006 : 04:17:04
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hehe I posted that drum solo up above too Cassandra.
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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <
France
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3430 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2006 : 18:35:45
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how could i forget Jim White of The Dirty Three.
He doesn't do any crazy drum solo's or anything, but my god if it doesn't sound like he's got a couple extra arms when he plays.....
all i can say, thank god for polio! brian |
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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <
France
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IceCream
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USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2006 : 08:10:54
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josephmichael
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Posted - 10/07/2006 : 11:07:56
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| I'm suprised no one has mentioned David Lovering. I think he really stands out in my mind when it comes to drums for a "3 minute pop song". Just listen to the song "trompe le monde". His drumming is a quintessential part of what makes the Pixies great. Sometimes it isn't about how crazy difficult a drum part is, but rather how well that part supports the song while being unique and interesting in and of itself, dontcha think? |
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1462 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2006 : 12:43:40
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as an aside i really like the song "d is for drums" by they might be giants. probably not many have heard it cause it a kid's cd--"here come the abc's". but they got a real cool drum solo in the song plus the vocals sound like d is for drugs. my wife would get really upset when i played it for the little one until i showed her the actual song title on the cd....
JL: Hey John.
JF: Oh, hey John.
JL: What's going on?
JF: Man, I'm confused.
JL: You're confused? Why?
JF: I'm no good at remembering stuff.
JL: Really?
JF: Yeah.
JL: Like what?
JF: I can't remember what 'D' is for.
JL: You can't remember what 'D' is for?
JF: I think it's for an instrument that you play in a band.
JL: I'm surprised you can't remember what 'D' is for.
JF: I can't remember there's too much noise.
JL: Put your Thinking Cap on John, I'll give you a hint.
JF: See, I can't find my Thinking Cap. I think it's lost.
JL: John, come on, tell me. 'D' is for what?
JF: 'D' is for something that you play with sticks.
JL: That's right, that's right. You're getting close.
JF: 'D' is for drums!
Both: Yes, 'D' is for drums!
'D' is for drums!
Yes, 'D' is for drums!
JL: Well, I'm glad we got that straight.
JF: Hey John.
JL: Yeah.
JF: I need some juice.
JL: I got some juice.
JF: Well, let's go to your house.
JL: Okay, I'll meet you over there.
JF: Okay.
'D' is for drums! 'D' is for drums!
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1462 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2006 : 12:48:29
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the drummer from def leppard is pretty good.
"I joined the Cult of Frank/ cause I'm a real go-getter!" |
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tisasawath
= Cult of Ray =
Wallis and Futuna Islands
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cassandra is
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France
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1485 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2006 : 08:57:19
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I always liked Matt Cameron from Soundgarden. He was always pulling off some oddly timed shit that was very unique. It's just too bad he went on to join Pearl Jam.
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Brackish
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Posted - 10/23/2006 : 16:13:29
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| I've always thought David Loverings drumming was great and I have always wondered why he didn't play drums in another band after the Pixies. Granted, his magic show must have kept him busy, but I'd think he would still have had time to find a band. |
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fbc
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