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mosleyk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
607 Posts |
 Posted - 08/10/2006 : 07:53:35
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I guess I just wanted to start a general discussion about recent developments. Curious how others have been affected, thoughts, people still going to fly....etc.
I was glued to my TV as long as I could this morning before I had to get ready for work. Sounds like the lines of the airports once again will be a mile long. My jaw absolutely dropped when I heard the news. Strangely enough I spontaneously cancelled a trip to LA (in the next couple of weeks) yesterday before the news broke. It was work related, but I just didn't want to go (I honestly had a feeling about it) so I emailed my boss and said I would like to skip the Fall meeting. Since I am already not fond of flying today's news sealed the deal for me.
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
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Posted - 08/10/2006 : 08:06:39
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phish!!
>(I honestly had a feeling about it)
rubbish....
u did'nt feel like a boring meeting (join the club)....
still the safest way to travel. |
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mosleyk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
607 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 08:20:54
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| I didn't say anybody had to believe me, and I personally don't give a rat's ass whether anybody does. |
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
2002 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 08:23:59
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I fly all the time for work. If I blow up, big deal. At least It'll add some excitement to the flight. What I'm afraid of is the soon-to-be total barring of carry-on's. Especially flying from West to East Coast so much, I will pray for a bombing.
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in a perfect world, we would have no terrorists. So please, terrorists, please stop terrorizing us...and us, quit being so damn terrifyed of terrorists.
Hank the 8th was a duplicated man
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mosleyk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
607 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 08:35:55
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| I feel sorry for the mother's/father's with small children. No carry-ons will make the trip very difficult indeed, and what about diaper changing? |
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2543 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 08:40:43
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I think they'll be allowed nappy(ies) and a report said ten wipes, but only after a good searching. Same with baby milk, has to be tasted by parent in front of security before they'll let it in the cabin. No toys or things...would be an absolute nightmare...I think I wouldn't fly in that situation with kids. At least many of the flights are short-haul.
What lies before us and what lies behind us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us -Ralph Waldo Emerson
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/10/2006 : 08:44:37
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Thing is, if someone is prepared to be carrying explosive onto a plane do they really care about tasting some sort of nasty in the guise of babyfood/milk? I didn't get that.
On the tube this morning there were many miserable looking folk clutching suitcases hopefully, poor fools. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 08/10/2006 : 08:47:01
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No carry ons is ridiculous firstly and secondly I fail to see how this will protect anyone from a bomb plot. Anyone heard of timers? Yeah, me too. Or a cell phone? That's not a carry on, but it's all that would be needed. You could easily modify a cell phone into a transmitter without anyone noticing and boom.
If this results in a restriction on carry-ons worldwide I'm marching on the white house.
 "No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself." |
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mosleyk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
607 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 08:47:03
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 08/10/2006 : 09:08:21
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maybe they should ban children on flights too, just to be safe
"i own Mailbu." |
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
2002 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 09:53:15
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They should ban bombs, timers, AND bombers themselves on flights.
Hank the 8th was a duplicated man
-bRIAN |
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s_wrenn
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
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Posted - 08/10/2006 : 10:56:22
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I suggest that they ban flights altogether. The Trans-Atlantic rickshaw industry would really kick off then.
Making parents sample the milk might be a “necessary precaution“, but it’s a little sick if it happens to be THE MOTHERS OWN BREAST MILK that’s in the bottle that has to be sampled. It would be like a scene out of Meet The Parents 3 or some other Ben Stiller movie. Ridiculous!
Seán Says: Do you ever stop and look at yourself in the mirror and think: "Damn, i need a new mirror"
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
6370 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 11:11:01
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What's so weird about drinking breast milk?
Also, people, I don't understand why all the whining about the precautions. If something happened on a flight with someone you cared for you'd be livid at the lack of safety precautions. |
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s_wrenn
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1851 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 11:17:20
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Well, would you drink your own breast milk?
I know i wouldn't drink mine (too minty)
Seán Says: Do you ever stop and look at yourself in the mirror and think: "Damn, i need a new mirror"
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
6370 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 11:22:09
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| Oh please, I'm sure all mothers who breast feed have tried it when they've had to heat for feeding. It's no big deal. |
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s_wrenn
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1851 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 11:28:59
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I'm just saying that i'm sure, of all the mothers there, some would find it a derogatory thing to have to do.
Seán Says: Do you ever stop and look at yourself in the mirror and think: "Damn, i need a new mirror"
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
6370 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 11:32:52
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 12:21:14
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in other news, government sources said: Boo!
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Gravy boat! Stay in the now! |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 12:28:05
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I think the problem that came up was that they wanted to squirt it on their wrist and then try it to prevent any contamination and weren't allowed to do so.
We're not talking about precautions, we're talking about unreasonable limitations without any significant gain in safety. A lot of headache for something that has zero effect other than perhaps pacifying people who want 'someone' to do 'something'. Try a transatlantic flight with nothing to eat but what they have on the plane and charge you exorbinantly for. With nothing to do but watch the b-roll movies or stare at a GPS map. How much are we willing to give up and call it a 'precaution'? We already have our carry-ons extensively scanned and searched if any unknown quantities appear. We have security officers groping us if our jeans' buttons are a certain alloy. We have to remove our shoes in US airports at least. Many people have to get fingerprinted. The US government spies and eavesdrops on its citizens. And, probably, so does yours and mine.
Where do we draw the line? Where do YOU draw the line? Are you willing to strip down and be probed everytime you board a plane? How about just some security officer feeling you up? I think these are valid and increasingly important questions in society and certainly not 'nonsense'.
Pierre Trudeau once said that "the state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation" but that appears to no longer be the case.
"No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself." |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 12:29:11
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Oh, and don't get me started on these 'threat levels'.
"No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself." |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 08/10/2006 : 12:36:37
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I didn't pay attention to the news, and thought that there was only a bomb scare at Heathrow. I did'nt know that they had actually found suspect devices.
Join the Cult Of Pob! And don't forget to listen to the Pobcast! |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 12:43:06
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You have to take your shoes off leaving Dublin also, at least I did. You ever notice the subtle way these "security measures" are implemented in incrementally small steps? if you applied all of todays practices to five years ago people would be horrified but instead they´re brought to accept them so slowly and surely they can feel convinced the intrusions are all for their own protection.
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Angry Elvis
- FB Fan -
USA
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ScottP
= Cult of Ray =
USA
618 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 14:03:28
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s_wrenn
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
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Posted - 08/10/2006 : 14:11:59
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I'm not saying i wouldn't drink breast milk, i'm sure i'll get try it out at some stage.
Just not a Terminal B while security is checking my shoes for an explosive nail clipper.
Seán Says: Do you ever stop and look at yourself in the mirror and think: "Damn, i need a new mirror"
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mosleyk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
607 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 14:25:17
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| Just found out one of my co-workers had a morning flight today (thought she flew out last night) from Wisconsin to PDX. She was suppose to make it to our afternoon meeting. Well...she didn't make it. I will be very interested to find out what her experience was in the airports. |
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2543 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 14:44:20
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Breast milk is fine, it's no big deal. It's very watery, a bit like coconut milk without the coconutty taste.
What lies before us and what lies behind us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us -Ralph Waldo Emerson
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mosleyk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
607 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 15:15:13
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llama you sly dog ;-) Good for you!
Okay...my co-worker has arrived! As released, no carry-on, liquids, but she could bring her purse. This is where her story got interesting. While they were going through the check-point one of the inspectors announced to all of the women. No lipstick! My co-worker quickly countered, "but mine isn't liquid or gel...SEE it is solid!" So the inspector brought over some of his co-workers and they had their little conference and finally decided her lipstick was okay to bring on the flight. |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 08/10/2006 : 15:16:20
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| honestly I think the Bush administration is blowing the whole thing out of preportion to scare people in to being sheep again. they found out about it. you can't bring on these things why the need for fearmongering? |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 15:49:38
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I don't know if this can be laid at the feet of any particular administration, but we'll see how it is used in the next few weeks. Fearmongering isn't necessary when everyone is paranoid and terrified anyway.
"No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself." |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 08/10/2006 : 16:22:20
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i hate to be cynical, but it's getting close to the start of fall election campaining in the us. it's a critical election for the republicans to stay in power. i would wager that the bush machine will do everything it can to stay in power, including exploiting this incedent.
this just reminds me of v for vendetta- the goverment exploiting events to maintain its power. |
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Angry Elvis
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 08/10/2006 : 16:58:29
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you're not being cynical, it's the truth! after they stole the 2000 and 2004 election it's not much of a stretch to believe they're going to emulate cuba and put bushitlers brother jeb into the presidency without an election!
just you watch!
***i'm just a hunka hunka burnin love*** |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
5305 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 17:34:25
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Dean, I totally respect your opinions and honesty I think you¡¦re so super cool so I don't think you¡¦d take this personally but I thought I would say that 
Just in general, I don¡¦t know why but this whole thing today just freaks me out in a 1984 way.
The newscaster on the network news kept saying that "we" were being attacked. "We" weren't being attacked. It was up to 10 jetliners. I know this is a serious threat but, I really think it was blown out of proportion. The terrorists were caught and the governments/airline industry were able to implement the precautions to prevent it. The whole "we" thing just means that the network/producer/anchors have lost their objectivity, which really freaks me out.
Then, when I was watching a story on that same newscast about the impact about the terrorist attack they suddenly cut to an interview with a fundamentalist minister in Texas talking about what he thought was the impact on the congregation. It really was such a weird thing that just gave made me the feeling of the religious right agenda in a story where it didn't belong.
For some reason, this whole thing disturbs me. It's crazy for me to think that the media can go on this crazy tangent for this but they gloss over actual loss of life in Iraq, Israel and Lebanon. It is also crazy for me to think that the best anti terrorist activity the US government can do is to stop killing people-- period. Then non US people will stop getting pissed at the US and then less people will want to become terrorists in the first place.
Sorry, this is a hot button, I promise I will shut up after this!!!
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 17:49:19
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Why can't everybody just be friends? What we need is a group hug!!!
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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ScottP
= Cult of Ray =
USA
618 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 20:09:55
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