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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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 Posted - 07/20/2006 : 15:30:31
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| Whether I am jewish or not is not the issue (and frankly is a bit offense that you ask). The issue is that not all jews are Israelis and not all Israelis are jews. Thus, to say the jews should get out of Palenstine is inaccurate and seems to blame it on a religion rather than a nation. I didn't say the statement or you were anti-semitic but using "jews" rather than "Israelis" does bring up the issue. It would be like saying the "muslims should quit attacking Israel". Muslims aren't attacking Israel. A sect of muslims or a couple Muslim terrorist groups/nations are. |
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Newo
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 15:37:20
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Erebus
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USA
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Posted - 07/19/2006 : 13:53:36
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All governments are freaks, though the universe has a habit of deleting anachronisms so I feel weīll be okay.
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You've expressed similar sentiments before, and I agree at least insofar as I favor as little government as possible. But it makes me wonder what you propose as an alternative. You're not an anarchist, are you? And I assume you're not proposing some rule by "the mass of the people" as somehow without any government at all. Yes, governments suck, but we are going to have some form(s) of government, no matter what, right? If not, you certainly have a lot more faith in the evolution of the common man than I do, or at least I think you must. Maybe I'm just lacking in imagination.
no Iīm not an anarchist, I donīt identify with anything you can peg with an "ism", I feel once I put a name to what I believe itīs barbed wire for the brain.
What we currently have amounts to mob rule in that five yahoos can legally impose their will on four gentle folk, which seems pretty anarchic to me. So what I look for is something warmer than making an individual bend to the will of a group, which has no claim to sacrifice. For millennia and in many parts of the world weīve had a healthy history of people organising interpersonal dynamics in such a way that dialogue and compromise is given primacy over scorekeeping and the chief of groupīs term of office lasted as long as group felt their living conditions were pleasant with him around - when that wasnīt the case they ran him out of town or off a cliff. I donīt subscribe to a starry-eyed notion of these civilisations as they werenīt above kicking the crap out of each other now and then - just the ruthlessness with which top-down organisations have wiped them off the planet and replaced them with their own structure gives me feeling they might have been onto something.
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El Loco
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 16:07:32
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Originally posted by darwin
Whether I am jewish or not is not the issue (and frankly is a bit offense that you ask). The issue is that not all jews are Israelis and not all Israelis are jews. Thus, to say the jews should get out of Palenstine is inaccurate and seems to blame it on a religion rather than a nation. I didn't say the statement or you were anti-semitic but using "jews" rather than "Israelis" does bring up the issue. It would be like saying the "muslims should quit attacking Israel". Muslims aren't attacking Israel. A sect of muslims or a couple Muslim terrorist groups/nations are.
ok, israelis out of palestine, better? Why would it be offensive if I ask if you are jewish?
you can ask if i'm mexican and i wouldn't care. |
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Newo
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 16:12:29
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most of the Semetic people are Arab so "antisemite" means "antiArab".
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El Loco
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 16:43:29
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 16:59:53
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From my Webster's dictionary (no other definition is given):
anti-Semitism - hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious or racial group
I think it was a bit offensive (I didn't say it was an outrage, but I do choose not to answer), because you already made a comment that could be interpreted as anti-Semitic and the implication was that I being sensitive because of my ethnic background. I think it would be offensive if I asked you if you were Mexican after you made a pro-immigration comment during a discussion about illegal immigration.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 17:10:02
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Originally posted by darwin
Whether I am jewish or not is not the issue (and frankly is a bit offense that you ask). The issue is that not all jews are Israelis and not all Israelis are jews. Thus, to say the jews should get out of Palenstine is inaccurate and seems to blame it on a religion rather than a nation. I didn't say the statement or you were anti-semitic but using "jews" rather than "Israelis" does bring up the issue. It would be like saying the "muslims should quit attacking Israel". Muslims aren't attacking Israel. A sect of muslims or a couple Muslim terrorist groups/nations are.
ok, israelis out of palestine, better? Why would it be offensive if I ask if you are jewish?
you can ask if i'm mexican and i wouldn't care.
you can ask about my huge sac and i won't care
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El Loco
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Posted - 07/20/2006 : 18:49:14
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Originally posted by darwin
Whether I am jewish or not is not the issue (and frankly is a bit offense that you ask). The issue is that not all jews are Israelis and not all Israelis are jews. Thus, to say the jews should get out of Palenstine is inaccurate and seems to blame it on a religion rather than a nation. I didn't say the statement or you were anti-semitic but using "jews" rather than "Israelis" does bring up the issue. It would be like saying the "muslims should quit attacking Israel". Muslims aren't attacking Israel. A sect of muslims or a couple Muslim terrorist groups/nations are.
ok, israelis out of palestine, better? Why would it be offensive if I ask if you are jewish?
you can ask if i'm mexican and i wouldn't care.
you can ask about my huge sac and i won't care
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edbanky
= Cult of Ray =
Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
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Posted - 07/21/2006 : 07:42:59
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Originally posted by darwin
Whether I am jewish or not is not the issue (and frankly is a bit offense that you ask). The issue is that not all jews are Israelis and not all Israelis are jews. Thus, to say the jews should get out of Palenstine is inaccurate and seems to blame it on a religion rather than a nation. I didn't say the statement or you were anti-semitic but using "jews" rather than "Israelis" does bring up the issue. It would be like saying the "muslims should quit attacking Israel". Muslims aren't attacking Israel. A sect of muslims or a couple Muslim terrorist groups/nations are.
ok, israelis out of palestine, better? Why would it be offensive if I ask if you are jewish?
you can ask if i'm mexican and i wouldn't care.
you can ask about my huge sac and i won't care
anyone for a sack race
Here we go, bringing RACE back into it.
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