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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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 Posted - 06/05/2006 : 18:13:44
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why would terrorists want to attack Canada? i thought they were all peaceful and stuff
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5044560.stm
"I don't have any money to buy new clothes and if they paid me to get some I'd probably buy more hoodies." - Mark Wainfur |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2006 : 19:29:46
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http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2006/06/04/the-first-w/
"... The New York Times on my doorstep this morning didn’t bother answering the who question in its story today until a spare mention of “Islamic” in the 22nd paragraph and “Muslim” in the 31st and even those were not terribly informative. In the fifth paragraph, the suspects were merely “mainly of South Asian descent.” India? Burma? Thailand? Indian? Southeast? Southwest? French-speaking terrorists from Vietnam coming to join their Quebecois confrères, perhaps? Who’s to know?"
"Maybe we need a nickname for terrorists to get around the new PC effort not to offend anyone except Americans. Islamofascistmurderingnutjobs, perhaps?"
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
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Posted - 06/06/2006 : 01:10:46
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Islamofascistmurderingnutjobs and Americanfascistmurderingnutjobs for yerselves!! cheep shot. I jest.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 06/06/2006 : 07:46:26
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Rumour is they were targetting one of our bagel bakeries. The bastards!
Looking at the names, they all appear to be muslim. Except one guy, Steve someone, who could be from anywhere. He has a muslim name now but apparently it was changed when he recently adopted Islam.
I was embarassed to be sitting with my cousin and have him say that he was thinking twice about immigrants he was friends with as possible terrorists. What an idiot. We were sitting with a guy from Chile (I think, or somewhere in S. America) who had escaped being murdered and come to Canada with his family when he was only a couple years old. Great timing. Plus, you know, we're all immigrants at some point. My dad is. I am the feared son of an immigrant, born and raised in Canada. Oooooh! Yet I haven't plotted to blow up anything larger than a gopher. So far...
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misleadtheworld
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/06/2006 : 08:08:42
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My parents are immigrants in Canada, but I should think it's a touch easier for them, or in any Western country really, being British. And white.
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
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Posted - 06/06/2006 : 08:11:01
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| indeed, none of us own the planet. I've been thinking lately that no-one should even be allowed to own a piece of land. How can one person claim that this piece of land is his hers to do with as they wish and then hand it down to their progeny. I guess we are just so used to it now. Borders, countries. ownership etc. Reminds me of that great Husker song, Divide and Conquer. |
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/06/2006 : 08:12:41
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It'll be a lot different when I rule the world I tell you, because all the land will be mine and if I let you live on it you'll damn well be grateful I tell you that for nothing.
forum ebook: end of miles |
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misleadtheworld
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/06/2006 : 08:32:42
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I've no problem with land ownership. Apparently even if you halved the world's habitable land mass, there'd still be something like 4 acres for each person. More than enough, I reckon. Everyone needs a place to live. Once Government's and nations come into it, though, it's a different story.
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
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Posted - 06/06/2006 : 08:40:55
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Originally posted by starmekitten
It'll be a lot different when I rule the world I tell you, because all the land will be mine and if I let you live on it you'll damn well be grateful I tell you that for nothing.
forum ebook: end of miles
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/06/2006 : 10:59:23
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Please pardon me for interrupting the levity, but Canadian blogger Bud Talkinghorn
[ http://frosthitstherhubarb.blogspot.com/2006/06/june-5-06-bud-talkinghorn-may-day.html ] writes:
June 5, 2006
Canadians awaken to a nightmare terrorist plot
.... Needless to say, the usual spokesmen for the Islamic diaspora maintained that this was an isolated incident, thus had nothing to do with "true" peaceful Islam.
CBC's role in pumping out this message, while secretly trying to cast doubt on the entire raid. was rather obvious. One method was to yoke reportage on the Canadian terrorist cell to a possibly botched anti-terrorism raid in England. Then there was the notorious Monday interview with Ali Hindy, the radical imam from the Salaheddin Islamic Center. The CBC interviewer mostly just let Hindy rant away about the Canadian security forces, which he claimed were targeting young Muslim men for no reason. His best denunciations were "[The raids were] just so departments can justify their budgets...This is to keep George W Bush happy, that's all." The only surprise was, not that the interviewer didn't vociferously attack his illogical, paranoid interpretations--that was expected--but that Hindy didn't claim that all the arrested were actually undercover Mossad agents. To top off the "sensitive" CBC coverage, we have a Ms. Farooq lamenting the callousness of the arresting officers, who didn't allow her to have a final conversation with her arrested husband. Boo Hoo!
What the liberal establishment wants to forestall is any serious look at multiculturalism and our ultra-lax immigration/refugee polices. This "tolerant" approach has been the Holy Grail of the left. Nor do they want Canadians to link this foiled attack to the successful one in London. Both suspected ring leaders were "youth counsellors". As well a poll commissioned by The Telegraph, just two days after the London bombings, showed that the majority of British Muslims hated British culture; a large per centage would not have turned in the perpetrators if they had know of the plan, and a scary minority would have actively aided the bombers. A similar poll of Canadian-Muslim viewpoints could be equally eye opening. Where are the urgent cries from our Muslims to disband the virulent terror blog sites, or to investigate the anti-western rhetoric flowing out of their mosques and education (indoctrination) centers? Or even for a call to Muslims to end their self-imposed exile from mainstream Canadian attitudes? What we are getting instead is this self-serving pap about Canadian racism and Islamophobia. [snip]
Come to think of it, I've rarely heard any overt criticism of the worldwide atrocites committed in Allah's name. What do they really think about the mutual slaughter of Shia and Sunnis in Iraq? I always find it disturbing when I hear that these young monsters may have been motivated by Western actions in Afganistan and Iraq. That seems to suggest that the majority thinks that Saddam's regime should have been left intact, or that the terrorist-aiding Taliban should be lauded. Does Islamofascism fit their mindset more than Canada's democratic model? Where, as a Sunni imam, does Aly Hindy stand on the latest mass murder in Iraq? In that ambush, the Sunni al-Qaeda separated the Iraqi bus passengers into Sunni and Shi'ites, then executed all the Shi'ites, to the chant of "On behalf of Islam, today we will dig a mass grave for you." That the alleged terrorists here cannot make the distinction between the goals of the occupying coalition forces and those of these blood-thirsty thugs is truly frightening. When issues such as these are openly aired, I will start to have more trust in our Muslim neighbours. The ball is in their court now.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 06/06/2006 : 12:15:01
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"Nor do they want Canadians to link this foiled attack to the successful one in London."
I call BS on this guy. They [the CBC] instantly linked it to London and discussed "homegrown terrorists" and the threat there.
"... showed that the majority of British Muslims hated British culture..."
So you might ask why they would live there, or at least I might, except that I know plenty of people who hate the culture [or lack thereof] of their country and have no plans of sinister variety.
As to whether they were motivated by Afghanistan, possibly. Not excusable, I think that ferreting out an international terrorist organization is not objectionable unless you are either a terrorist or someone who doesn't believe our motives there are what to most are fairly apparent. Iraq would be a much more logical thing to protest (though perhaps the mistake here is applying logic as rationale to illogical acts) except that Canada is not involved there.
Finally, on overt criticism, I believe that much of it is widely and publically condemned, though not universally by any stretch.
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/06/2006 : 14:16:55
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No doubt there is cause to debate this guy's "BS", but his larger point begs to be made more often by SOMEBODY. And since I usually seem, at least lately, to be fb.net's SOMEBODY, I offered this guy's take. In the last two days I've spent hours at leftist sites documenting the spin over the arrests. I mean, it's like a nonstop drill bit, straight into the dirt!
"Projectile management is the essence of the quality of life" - Ted Nugent |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 06/07/2006 : 01:45:27
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I have noticed the importation of Republican strategies by CRAP (Conservative Reform Alliance Party) over the last few years, a friend showed me this article.
"When words get in the way of your agenda, what do you do? You change the words, of course. Even if you have to make up new ones."
The CBC is not PBS, and even PBS isn't left. This is the fair-and-balanced (c) strategy: Insist that all media that disagrees with your opinion is left. Suggest that every story is opinion. Demand that your side of the story have equal time.
For example, the news is that a man murdered his wife. The coverage may include the analysis of spousal abuse. This would include scientific discourse. Science will be deemed leftist opinion, now insert an agenda aka "balance", which would be an accusation of the leniency of laws.
It has been absolutely astounding how quickly each media outlet becomes self-governing. Did you notice? I think PBS is a strong example of striving not to be coerced, even under the threat of the removal of government subsidies. It may be the last news outlet in the US that can't be bought.
The reason every news outlet tells you about the same auto accident is that the police have issued a press release. The business section of the newspaper will be littered with press releases directly from corporations with little fact checking. Ottawa politics is one of the last genres that is not driven by press releases and Harper is attempting to reverse this.
I have a new mantra, if I didn't worry about it yesterday, I'm not going to worry about it tomorrow. That means that you can't scare me.
One of David Suzuki's most memorable moments.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2006 : 07:25:24
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Yeah, I'd hardly say I'm scared. There are criminals all over, but life, generally, goes on. I don't think I'd change anything security wise, certainly not fall into a state of paranoia. I enjoy being laidback a little too much I suppose.
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2006 : 09:26:51
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do you think you'll actually start locking your house now?
"I don't have any money to buy new clothes and if they paid me to get some I'd probably buy more hoodies." - Mark Wainfur |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2006 : 09:32:43
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Haven't started yet...
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 06/07/2006 : 13:33:10
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I've been thinking lately that no-one should even be allowed to own a piece of land.
FREE WATERFALL JR.: You can't OWN property, man!
PROFESSOR FARNSWORTH: I can, because I'm not a penniless hippie!
By the way, is that guy's name really "Talkinghorn"? He should open a store that sells novelty musical instruments! He'd make a killing!
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares." |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 06/07/2006 : 20:08:52
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As an immigrant to Canada, I am offended.
Also, having read the entire coverage in today's Globe & Mail, Toronto Star, etc., I surmise that a lot is circumstantial evidence, especially the alleged plot to behead the PM.
I’m the only one who can say that this light is mine
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ScottP
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 06/07/2006 : 20:37:10
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Most people don't want terrorism to succeed. The "old war" ways of invading a chosen country do nothing to stop it- actually promote it. Sending hit squads out to eliminate them seems like a better idea, but how would you police that? There seems to be no way to crack this nut. Lots of talking, very few solid ideas. Frank rules. Ha!
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 06/07/2006 : 21:04:34
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Originally posted by ScottP
There seems to be no way to crack this nut. Lots of talking, very few solid ideas.
i agree Scott. it's a tought problem to solve. and there's also the question of "what do we do about the Canadians?"
"I don't have any money to buy new clothes and if they paid me to get some I'd probably buy more hoodies." - Mark Wainfur |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/07/2006 : 23:14:04
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Originally posted by ScottP
The "old war" ways of invading a chosen country do nothing to stop it- actually promote it. Sending hit squads out to eliminate them seems like a better idea, but how would you police that? There seems to be no way to crack this nut. Lots of talking, very few solid ideas.
Not that a West which cherishes its illusions of itself as enlightened could ever do it, "hit squads" could "crack this nut", forget "policing". There's an old saying that over time enemies become more like one another. Maybe the allegedly more evolved West could do with some of that: fight fire with fire, eye for an eye, and I'm not talking decades of anything along the lines of Israeli retaliation for Palestinian attacks. More like "OK, so suicide bombers killed fifty civilians in the market today, then tomorrow GPS targetting takes out five hundred in the center of Cairo, with Mosques as prize targets." It's not like the jihadists treat Mosques with respect. Yes, that would create more terrorists. Good. "Bring 'em on." It's convenient that the fly rushes to the flypaper. Just keep upping the ante till the little guys can't afford to play. After all, the cold war was won by bankrupting the politburo. End this folly of using stacks of greenbacks to bring the parties to the table as a short respite from years of mindless bloodshed. For all their bravado and jihad, these bombers do have their limits and they can be forced to deal. The point is hardly to simply kill their innocents. Rather, it is to play their game better than they do. We have the firepower, and its not like killing innocents is against their rules. Forget Geneva and the Western code of war. If they want Geneva, let them wear uniforms. Play by their rules. Lower ourselves to their level. Speak a language they understand, that other universal language. Terrorize them for a change. Barbaric? Of course. With the irony that had the West gone hyper-murderous years ago, so many lives, both Western and Muslim, would have been saved. It's really rather simple once one thinks the unthinkable, and it's not as if we aren't headed there already. Those who think with the impotent subtlety of the second half of the twentieth century might consider another old saying: don't let the best be the enemy of the good.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 06/07/2006 : 23:23:53
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Erebus, sometimes we agree. Sometimes we disagree. This, I have no words for.
If we behave as they do then not only do we have to ask who we are, but what are we fighting for? It then becomes either racial warfare or religious warfare on OUR part. And I don't think that every single Muslim in Cairo or anywhere else is cheering "Allah Akbar" when terrorists strike.
However, I'm all for tactical teams/missles/whatever blowing apart known terrorist rings, hideouts, etc. I just think it would be barbaric to resort to bombing these countries. Also, I admit I don't have the qualms that many do about torture for KNOWN terrorists. I'm not saying it's the ideal way to go, but if it gives a better chance of getting information that may save others, fine. When I say known, I don't mean people suspected of being terrorists, I mean the ones who have either admitted to it or wear it like a badge of honour.
Perhaps I should stop there before I scare myself as well.
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/08/2006 : 00:04:09
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
Erebus, sometimes we agree. Sometimes we disagree. This, I have no words for.
Perhaps I should stop there before I scare myself as well.
I admit to being hyperbolic, but only in service of the obvious. Please do scare thyself. The chorus of eventual reason needs you. Lord knows they're not going to listen to the likes of me.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/08/2006 : 07:32:43
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After a night's sleep, the only clause I would change is the one regarding the Mosques, not because of atrocity but rather due to doubts it would be a productive tactic. Call it an Ann Coulter moment. Today the question is the significance of the elimination of al-Zarqawi. Will there be an overall decline in Iraq terrorism after the initial round of retaliatory blasts? How will it impact the flow of money required for recruiting "martyrs" and restocking their arsenal?
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 06/08/2006 : 08:12:34
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Originally posted by Erebus
... Call it an Ann Coulter moment.
I would never stoop so low as to say that to you!
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/08/2006 : 09:41:21
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What, no smiley face? As Charlie once said to me: "Sometimes it's difficult to be your friend."
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 06/08/2006 : 10:43:13
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If you appreciated how much I hate that bitch, you'd see that I mean it as a compliment to you. See my signature.
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/08/2006 : 11:35:50
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I did take the "stoop" comment with a smile, and I congratulate myself for my "doubts". So often I've constructed a paragraph, realizing I might better let it ferment for a day, but then said "dammit" and posted anyway. It takes little courage to stick the neck out knowing the online machete cannot reach.
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a guy in a rover
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/10/2006 : 15:32:34
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On a lighter note the other day I was on the train and there was this guy sat there with a Canadian tattoo (Canadian B) with his girlfriend (Canadian C). Then this fella who looks like Bill Hicks goes over too them (Canadian A). It went like this.
Canadian A: 'Where are you from, eh?'
Canadian B: 'Regina, eh.'
Canadian A: 'Im from Victoria, eh.'
Canadian C: 'Me too!'
Canadian A: 'Well how aboot that. Have a nice day' {walks off}
I thought to myself 'fucking canucks'.
Funny story or mild racism?
I'll let u decide on that one.
A pig or a goat well, they wouldn’t let you be mistreated
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 06/10/2006 : 15:53:19
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are Canadians a race?
"I don't have any money to buy new clothes and if they paid me to get some I'd probably buy more hoodies." - Mark Wainfur |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2006 : 16:29:11
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I actually watched this rather interesting documentary on 9/11, free courtesy Google Video. It's an interesting collection of contradictions. Does it add up, I don't know, but:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
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Posted - 06/10/2006 : 21:20:51
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quote:
Originally posted by a guy in a rover
On a lighter note the other day I was on the train and there was this guy sat there with a Canadian tattoo (Canadian B) with his girlfriend (Canadian C). Then this fella who looks like Bill Hicks goes over too them (Canadian A). It went like this.
Canadian A: 'Where are you from, eh?'
Canadian B: 'Regina, eh.'
Canadian A: 'Im from Victoria, eh.'
Canadian C: 'Me too!'
Canadian A: 'Well how aboot that. Have a nice day' {walks off}
I thought to myself 'fucking canucks'.
Funny story or mild racism?
I'll let u decide on that one.
A pig or a goat well, they wouldn’t let you be mistreated
I almost fell out of my chair the first time I heard someone pronounce the city "Regina." I was expecting it to rhyme with Orangina, not a female body part.
I’m the only one who can say that this light is mine
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 06/11/2006 : 05:11:39
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quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
I actually watched this rather interesting documentary on 9/11, free courtesy Google Video. It's an interesting collection of contradictions. Does it add up, I don't know, but:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."
an MP in the UK is trying to get a screening in the house of commons
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misleadtheworld
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/11/2006 : 06:44:39
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I've seen that video before. Interesting. Funny they think a B-52 hit the Empire State Building in the 30's. Surely if they've done all this research about aviation and whatnot they'd know that it was in fact a B-25 that hit the building, and secondly, that B-52s didn't exist in the 30s.
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/11/2006 : 06:53:20
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I was pretty painfully disappointed when I met Dean and he didn't say aboot. Not once, sure, he talks funny but not funny enough. TV lied to me and it still hurts.
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 06/11/2006 : 11:18:22
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| You want to hear Newfoundlander's (Neufie's, affectionately) and Maritimers. They'll say, "I gaught in my cahr and drove to the bahr. We fought 'aard dat night, buoy." |
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terrorists in Canada, eh
