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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
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 Posted - 05/22/2006 : 12:48:05
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I suspect you're all drunk.
Maybe my English is weak BUT I'm never drunk.
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 blackolero le only Frank Black / Pixies site 100% in français |
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2463 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2006 : 13:16:46
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Yeah Brian, sums it up very succinctly.
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2006 : 03:12:54
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Originally posted by Carl
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Originally posted by Grotesque
I'm living in paradise with those two discs and my discman.
That sounds like the best advertisement for FM/RM yet!
I had so many problems...and then I got me FM/RM and a discman!
Yeah, I been walking around my town and now every FMRM song got his "first meeting" place. You could hardly convince me it's NOT an concept album about my town! |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2006 : 03:19:03
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| By the way, am I drunk or Jonnhy Barleycorn seems VERY VERY close to "The ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead" by english band XTC (album: "nonesuch")? |
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kotvana
- FB Fan -
Israel
102 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2006 : 15:43:10
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what's so wrong about being ORIGINAL..?
why frank lost it all?
all sounds about the same.. sweet melodic tunes.. but, nothing NEW to the music scene, or to a lonely soul craving for something NEW, out of the ordinary.. no need for new Pixies, but at least TOTY, PISTOLERO, or even DITS (some great sounds there) frustrating. he's too in-love with doing his version to every song ever written (including own's songs), instead of doing something no-one had ever done before.
need fresh blood, new breath. maybe take a vacation? dunno. i love all songs of FMRM, but he's capable of much more than that! |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2006 : 19:07:56
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Originally posted by Grotesque
By the way, am I drunk or Jonnhy Barleycorn seems VERY VERY close to "The ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead" by english band XTC (album: "nonesuch")?
I'm not too familiar with that song, but didn't Crash Test Dummies cover it?I thought I saw a music video for it, once.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2006 : 23:13:33
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Yes they did and I didn't realize 'til now it was a cover.
 "If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
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thermoplastics
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 05/23/2006 : 23:29:21
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Frank is anything but a linear person. Expecting steady, predictable work, directly linked to previous work is an notion long since unsupported. Frank does what he wants, as he is able. True creative people have to do that which they feel they must, not what their patrons would always wish. If Frank wants to wade in the lush, overgrown green ness of Nashville, or evoke even more distant roots from Great Britain, well, who wouldn’t if they could?
Many think Frank and think Pixies, but what do you think is in Frank’s head all the time, all his many years now? Think of what must eddy and flow through his conscious and un conscious mind. We all know it’s rich and deep, and still flowing. There is no way someone who did the Pixies, stuck with the Catholics, successfully reunited to universal acclaim and then Honeycomb is going to do anything save what must and can be done. The man is brave and he’s not backing down willingly. Like or dislike his body of work, or his latest effort, but he is a true artist in the oldest tradition. A lot of people that had, or want to have Frank frozen in a place and time, are just going to have to listen to his older work. Frank’s moved on.
I burned some copies of FMRM and gave it to people who didn’t know who Frank was. They loved it. It is accessible, and that is not a crime. It is very much a work about Frank’s voice and it’s range. If you can, listen to it again, but just pay attention to the speed changes, and range of his voice. I’m open to names that are as flexible and as good. It will be interesting to see how FMRM does. Who likes it, and who doesn’t. Anyways, FMRM is done, something else will come.
My cent and a half.
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1036 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2006 : 01:19:32
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Originally posted by kotvana
no need for new Pixies, but at least TOTY, PISTOLERO, or even DITS (some great sounds there).
need fresh blood, new breath.
from wikipedia:
Broadly speaking, a contradiction is an incompatibility between two or more statements, ideas, or actions. One must, it seems, reject at least one of the ideas outright.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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kotvana
- FB Fan -
Israel
102 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2006 : 12:46:02
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Originally posted by two reelers
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Originally posted by kotvana
no need for new Pixies, but at least TOTY, PISTOLERO, or even DITS (some great sounds there).
need fresh blood, new breath.
from wikipedia:
Broadly speaking, a contradiction is an incompatibility between two or more statements, ideas, or actions. One must, it seems, reject at least one of the ideas outright.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band
ok.
i meant in the same level of creativity, not releasing the same metrial again...
anyway, i heard cd2 today and it's great. every song a gem. and cd1 is evern better!
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2463 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2006 : 18:13:45
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2006 : 05:12:06
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These days I don't like too much the covers.
Why doing other guys song when your name is Frank Black and you're in pretty good form?
But all the rest shines. In the Time Of My ruin should have a Michel Gondry clip. |
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stymie
= Cult of Ray =
385 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2006 : 22:01:32
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langdonboom
= Cult of Ray =
USA
260 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2006 : 06:52:03
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Just to add my 2 cents:
Franks albums have ALWAYS (almost always) been growers, with a few immediate hits and then the more subtle songs emerging after repeated listens.
And as for being "original", I'll repeat my standard FB stance: the man's genius is now more subtle and deeper than shocking audio tricks and stunts (not that I didn't love those) from his Pixies, earlier days. So as a result the songs at first appear to be generic since they're written in a more subtle rock language. I thought the same thing about every album since the Catholics.
The man hasn't gotten boring in his old age, he's gotten stronger -- strong enough not to have to do musical backflips to infuse some innovation into his music. As Marshall McLuhan said, when real revolutions come along, they don't look like breakthroughs-they look like chaos - not that Frank Black is some rock n' roll Bach, its just he writes really sublimly weird rock and roll, which at this stage in the game (half a century since Elvis) is a pretty amazing thing to accomplish I think. It just goes to show that the innovation you EXPECT is not really innovation at all, and that true originality can take a while to 'get used to'.
Anyway, by now FMRM is another great example of Frank's genius to me, after I also felt somewhat blase about it after a cursory few first listens.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2006 : 08:44:26
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Originally posted by langdonboom
the man's genius is now more subtle and deeper than shocking audio tricks and stunts (not that I didn't love those) from his Pixies, earlier days.
Good point.
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francophilia
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Posted - 06/07/2006 : 17:20:46
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I would agree that some o frank's albums are growers. However, there are usually a few standout tracks that keep you interested in the mean time. FM/RM, is without. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see a lot of growth potential for the rambling FM/RM.
Keep in mind, this is coming for someone who didn't love Honeycomb. |
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Teafer
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 04:48:17
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After five listens, this is what i have to say to the world about the fmrm thing :
1. it's a very complex album, partly because the songs are complex in themselves and quite long with large instrumental sections and it's hard to get a grip on the songs melodic signatures even after 5 listens.
2. the esthetical position of Frank on fmrm is clearly paying homage to genres he used to be a total stranger to and it is surprinsing to hear that for a toty/fbatc hardcore fan.
3. on the other, and because of 1. & 2., the quantity of musical ideas is soooo impressive that i feel it's gonna take me months to get around this album and even more suprisingly i actually liked some songs on the first listen.
So it's easy to understand the mitigated feelings on the album after a few listens : frank never dit put out an album of that complexity.
But obviously, this is gonna be a fan fave, the quantity of brillant ideas on the album is mindblogging.
"i'm not impressed. you wanna impress me? take the wheel, motherfucker." |
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Teafer
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 04:49:58
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so it's not disapointment i feel now, it's more like facing a gigantic delicious cake.
"i'm not impressed. you wanna impress me? take the wheel, motherfucker." |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 07:29:43
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Some albums disappoint on first listen, but grow on you over time. I'm thinking of Beck's Sea Change, for instance.
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francophilia
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 09:11:24
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| The more I listen the worse it gets. There are actually embarrassing moments on this one. The cheer for Barleycorn. ouch. "a giant delicious cake"... wtf... Are you retarded? |
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velvety
= Cult of Ray =
Portugal
536 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 10:00:20
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People they're no fun.
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Jontiven
= Cult of Ray =
USA
347 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 13:48:24
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Dear Francophilia,
Stop listening, it's not out yet.
Two posts total and both to slag off FMRM?
Where have you been all my life, sweetie?
I need people like you to keep my enormous ego in check. Thanks!
bye,
Jon Tiven
p.s. You might try a Q-tip. I think your ears are blocked. |
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francophilia
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 15:17:12
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Dear Mr. Tiven
Your ego need not be checked. I am a fan of much of your work, just not this. Clean out my ears? My dirty ears are the only thing protecting my brain from that bawdy sax at the end of Barleycorn. BTW Fast Man- great song.
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kotvana
- FB Fan -
Israel
102 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2006 : 00:22:21
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every time i hear it, i found another magnificent song. it's hard to pay attention to just one song when u hear so many! cd 2 is still much better, i think. it is really emotional. maybe the most emotional collection of songs frank ever made, alot of nuances.
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/10/2006 : 02:54:08
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I don't mind a little sax in the morning.
Anyway, I've just heard the new Paris Hilton track, and it blows all of Frank's back catalogue outta the water. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2006 : 06:01:27
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Yeah, her new song Dog In A Bag is fantastic.
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2006 : 12:26:00
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Tiven's incredible ability to defend the album each time there is a little pick on it sometimes makes me doubt he's really the guy, producer of that masterpiece.
Hey, the kid is tuf, I'm sure he can survive by himself in the playground!
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2006 : 15:06:56
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Well I must say I also had a somewhat dissapointing first listen. Fortunately, I try not to listen to things just once. After many more spins, I think that parts of the album are still congealed to me; they're all lumped together aurally and I can't separate them - yet. As for stand out tracks, I absolutely love In The Time of Ruin. It's like a distillation of everything that is/was brilliant about his songwriting, bent through a studio session prism. I think this could be a Pixies track, and were it on a theoretical new Pixies album, it would be hailed as a masterpiece. Of course it would probably also have a bad ass Joey solo/lead. Other standout include If Your Poison Gets Your, Johnny Barleycorn, Fast Man, and Elijah.
The only really negative comment I have is for My Terrible Ways. I've listened to it many times, and I love the music, but the singing is nearly unlistenable. In general, my issue with this album has to do with my feeling that in some cases Frank's voice doesn't seem to match the music, like plaid and stripes. Taken seperately, they're enjoyable, but together they don't really work for me. A good example is Dirty Old Town. Frank's voice seems out of place, where the other singer fits right in. I've found this in other songs as well, like Frank's cover of Mother Popcorn. The first man singing is right in his element, and Frank can't really compete. Perhaps that's the issue with all of Frank's later work; sure he's a vocal chameleon and has been genre hopping for years, but I went back and listened to TOTY (where he really tackles all of these disperate genres on one record) and he sounds totally at home on each song, and each song sounds like Frank, regardless of whcih genre he's using (or warping into some wonderful Frankified version of reggae, or soul, or punk, or etc). With his attempt to fully be in this genre (I hate to label it anything, but I think you all know what I'm talking about), I think he's attemtping to sound a particular way, and in some cases, it's just not making it for me.
he's back jack smoking crack find him if you want to get found
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crippe
- FB Fan -
Sweden
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Posted - 06/12/2006 : 17:57:56
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Originally posted by speedy_m
The only really negative comment I have is for My Terrible Ways. I've listened to it many times, and I love the music, but the singing is nearly unlistenable. In general, my issue with this album has to do with my feeling that in some cases Frank's voice doesn't seem to match the music, like plaid and stripes. Taken seperately, they're enjoyable, but together they don't really work for me. A good example is Dirty Old Town. Frank's voice seems out of place, where the other singer fits right in.
Well said, I couldn't agree more. Frank's vocals on Dirty Old Town are just plain bad, almost karaoke-bad I'm afraid. |
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francophilia
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Posted - 06/13/2006 : 14:03:07
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Mr. Tiven recommendeed Q-tips as a remedy to this common ailment.
Q-tips, however, will not alleviate the spiritual pain of being morarlly olbligated to buy the piece of crap once its released. I have a strict "you steal it, you buy it policy" when it comes those who deserve it. |
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2006 : 14:10:05
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That's funny, personaly I think My Terrible Ways is one of the highlights of fmrm.
I also made the "switching disc test" with TOTY, and strangly enough, when I went back from "father eyes" to "In the time of my ruin", I had a feeling it was growing even more consistant. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2006 : 14:24:12
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Y'mean 'fazer eyes'?! :)
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crippe
- FB Fan -
Sweden
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Posted - 06/13/2006 : 17:23:54
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Originally posted by francophilia
Mr. Tiven recommendeed Q-tips as a remedy to this common ailment.
Q-tips, however, will not alleviate the spiritual pain of being morarlly olbligated to buy the piece of crap once its released. I have a strict "you steal it, you buy it policy" when it comes those who deserve it.
I love most of Frank Black's work and I consider myself a fan, however I'm not going to force myself into thinking that FMRM is a great album just because it's a 'Frank Black album'. |
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francophilia
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Posted - 06/13/2006 : 18:32:52
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It's a common condition. Zappa fans are perhaps the the most seriously afflicted. I love zappa. I own his entire catalog. At least two thirds of it is unlistenable.
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Originally posted by crippe
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Originally posted by francophilia
Mr. Tiven recommendeed Q-tips as a remedy to this common ailment.
Q-tips, however, will not alleviate the spiritual pain of being morarlly olbligated to buy the piece of crap once its released. I have a strict "you steal it, you buy it policy" when it comes those who deserve it.
I love most of Frank Black's work and I consider myself a fan, however I'm not going to force myself into thinking that FMRM is a great album just because it's a 'Frank Black album'.
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Teafer
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Posted - 06/14/2006 : 03:20:56
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Originally posted by francophilia
The more I listen the worse it gets. There are actually embarrassing moments on this one. The cheer for Barleycorn. ouch. "a giant delicious cake"... wtf... Are you retarded?
the more i listen to it, the more it's obvious it's a very very good album. obsviously you don't get it, maybe for the reasons i mentionned, but the "are you retarded?" is just as ridiculous as your pointless and unrationnal grrs.
francophilia ? coprophilia.
"i'm not impressed. you wanna impress me? take the wheel, motherfucker." |
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FMRM dissapointing first listen :(
