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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
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 Posted - 05/05/2006 : 17:35:29
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I think movies are replacing novels and paintings as forms where people get art nowadays ( I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing). Tom Wolfe said in his book "Hooking Up" that the excitement young people used to have for new writers, they now have for new directors. Aside from Bret Easton Ellis and David Sedaris, I'm not interested in any contemporary writers, but I'm very interested in directors like Paul Thomas Anderson, and young independent directors.
Do you think painting is still important? Are there any paintings from the past that have any meaning to you? Are there any paintings from the last ten or twenty years that have any meaning to you?
I believe that it's a very small minority of people who like the modern painting from the last 100 years. And I think that most people are so disgusted or annoyed with the paintings that the art world calls art, that they've given up on it entirely (and I don't blame them).
It's frustrating to read a book on Art History- the writers will give the same respect to 20th century paintings that they give to real painting from the past. Most people recognize that a painting that is just a solid square of color, or random smears or paint, or paint flung onto a canvas isn't really art.
Modern painting has been such a fraud that it has destroyed the general public's interest in art.
And anytime that painters do "normal" painting- paintings of recognizable people or objects- art critics call it boring and traditional.
Do you think there is any future for normal painting? Do you wish there was a future for it?
"Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you." JOHN 15:14 |
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s_wrenn
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
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Posted - 05/05/2006 : 17:41:09
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The American Psycho movie was a load of shit. They didn't even put in the Urinal cake Godiva!
And P T Anderson rocks serious balls! He needs to get Hard Eight out on region 2 dvd though.
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 05/05/2006 : 21:47:15
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let the kids play, stay out late
masters great and small create
a toilets thoughtless toil. |
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2006 : 22:09:47
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The Seven Deadly Sins
1945 — 1949
by Paul Cadmus
This is a modern painting (well, series of paintings) that really impressed me when I saw it in persion. I'd never seen more graphic, intense art. The characters looked like mutated Greek gods to me. It was incredible to view.
If The Seven Deadly Sins isn't "really art", I don't know what is. Therefore, I think there is a future in art. It can still take effort to construct without being shunned by (at least) me. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 05/05/2006 : 22:10:43
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Originally posted by s_wrenn
The American Psycho movie was a load of shit. They didn't even put in the Urinal cake Godiva!
And P T Anderson rocks serious balls! He needs to get Hard Eight out on region 2 dvd though.
"Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?"
maybe you should get a region free dvd player. pt anderson is one of our best working directors, no doubt
"I don't have any money to buy new clothes and if they paid me to get some I'd probably buy more hoodies." - Mark Wainfur |
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fbc
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Posted - 05/06/2006 : 04:26:52
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Originally posted by jimmy
Do you think painting is still important?
Yes.
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Are there any paintings from the past that have any meaning to you? Are there any paintings from the last ten or twenty years that have any meaning to you?
Only the ones done by my girlfriend. They're great, and hanging on my wall. She's crap at directing movies so I much prefer her art on canvas
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I believe that it's a very small minority of people who like the modern painting from the last 100 years. And I think that most people are so disgusted or annoyed with the paintings that the art world calls art, that they've given up on it entirely (and I don't blame them).
Not just paintings. The bin men haven't been round yet, mine's bursting at the seams. Litter pouring over the brim. Now that's art. Or is it? I might erect my tent in the back garden and fill it with tags of all the people i've slept with in the name of art. |
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s_wrenn
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1851 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2006 : 05:04:18
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Originally posted by floop
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Originally posted by s_wrenn
The American Psycho movie was a load of shit. They didn't even put in the Urinal cake Godiva!
And P T Anderson rocks serious balls! He needs to get Hard Eight out on region 2 dvd though.
"Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?"
maybe you should get a region free dvd player. pt anderson is one of our best working directors, no doubt
"I don't have any money to buy new clothes and if they paid me to get some I'd probably buy more hoodies." - Mark Wainfur
I did have one, but it was "borrowed" by my brother when he went to college. It's now several hundred miles away!
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
876 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2006 : 05:12:43
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American Psycho was a terrible movie and a big disappointment. All of Ellis's books have a certain attitude and mood, and the movie director was more concerned about making a statement about male vanity than portraying the spirit of the book. For a satire, it was a very serious book and the movie took it too lightly.
I'm fascinated by artists like Paul Thomas Anderson, who writes and directs his movies, and Prince, who writes and produces all his work and in a lot of cases, plays all the instruments ( and I'm pretty sure that on Sky Motel and Sunny Border Blue Kristin Hersh plays almost all of the instruments). Collaboration is OK, but it's more interesting when someone has a definite idea of how something should be, and then works alone to make sure it turns out a certain way.
I was impressed by Magnolia but I didn't like it much. Boogie Nights was well made but I liked it even less. Punch Drunk Love was just a disappointment. Still, I'm interested to see what he'll do next.
I've always wanted to see The Seven Deadly Sins- isn't that the movie with Sinatra playing a cop looking for an ax murderer?
I think Stanley Kubrick is a good example of an artist who had complete control of every frame of his movies ( except Eyes Wide Shut where the pussies from Warner Brothers butchered sections of it ).
When you're flipping around the stations and one of his movies is on, you can tell immediatly, even if you've never seen it before, that it's one of his movies.
The Shining, Full Metal Jacket , and Eyes Wide Shut all have scenes that are organized and beautiful enough to be paintings.
By the way, Kubrick's wife Christiane is a painter and she's done some incredible still lifes and paintings of flowers. They're really beautiful- if you get a chance, she has a web site where you can see them. In fact, I think there's a link from his official website.
"Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you." JOHN 15:14 |
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s_wrenn
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
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Posted - 05/06/2006 : 05:22:54
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What the hell was that "chainsaw down the stair well" crap in the movie of American Psycho? Utter rubbish! Then they went and made a sequel!! FUCK!
No doubt about it, Kubrick was a genius. I just wish that he would have lived long anough to make A.I. instead of Speilberg making it. I don't even understand why people get so hyped up over a Speilberg film. He is only making them for oscars, which is a waste of peoples time. He said while on the set of Munich that he wanted to have to movie out in time to be eligible for the oscars. Making movies shouldn't be about trying to get awards.
And let no one forget David Lynch. Check This out>>>>
The weather by DL
www.davidlynch.com/dailyreport
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Edited by - s_wrenn on 05/06/2006 05:47:11 |
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
876 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2006 : 05:52:23
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With Jaws, and ET, and Close Encouters, I used to like Spielburg; now I can't stand him. And it's not because he just makes movies for awards. It's because he has such an ugly view of people and life.
Saving Private Ryan isn't a war movie as much as it's a way for him to show all kinds of cruel ironies: the soldier who has a bullet blocked by his helmet only to take the helmet off and be shot in the head, the German soldier that they release turning out to be a captain and killing one of the Americans later in the movie, the medic being shot and asking for the fatal dose of morphine.
Spielburg is more interested in gore and disturbing images, like the soldier looking for his arm during the beach scene,or Tom Hanks turning away from the soldier next to him and then turning back to find the guy's mouth shot away.
And then there's War of the Worlds. It could've been a fun, exciting aliens movie, but he couldn't help filling it with violent, disturbing, depressing scenes. There's the people being vaporized and the people having their blood drained by the aliens.
But even worse is the way he tries to show mankind in such a negative light: In the scene where Tom Cruise is carjacked by a guy with a gun, only to have someone else shoot the theif and steal the car again, Spielburg is trying to make it seem like most people are just like animals.
For sick shock value, he has the refugees suddenly blocked by a passenger train in flames, still travelling down the track, and the people who are walking don't even care.
Then when you think it can't get any uglier, there's Tim Robbin's character, who at first represents hope, and fighting back against the aliens, and human endurance- he goes crazy and Cruise kills him so that he doesn't lead the aliens to their hiding place ( which I'm sure is a reference to reports of Jews, in hiding during the Holocaust, killing crying babies so they wouldn't be found by the Germans ).
It's amazing how he went from an artist who portrayed people as heroic and kind and resoursful, to being someone who is obbsessed with all of mankind's negative qualities, and is only concerned with finding new, original ways to show people being killed or maimed.
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 05/06/2006 : 21:20:22
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 05/06/2006 : 21:54:01
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Originally posted by jimmy
I was impressed by Magnolia but I didn't like it much. Boogie Nights was well made but I liked it even less. Punch Drunk Love was just a disappointment. Still, I'm interested to see what he'll do next.
BOOGIE NIGHTS is an almost perfect film. that guy has talent coming out of his ass. his next film is a period piece based on the book OIL by Upton Sinclair, and takes place in.. the valley.
PUNCH DRUNK LOVE is almost an experimental film. it's one of those films that i don't know if i'd want to watch it over and over, but i think he deserves a lot of respect for making. strange film. interesting score
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I think Stanley Kubrick is a good example of an artist who had complete control of every frame of his movies ( except Eyes Wide Shut where the pussies from Warner Brothers butchered sections of it ).
not too many directors have complete control over their films. part of what makes a good director is someone who can jump through all the studio hurdles of making a film and still make it their own. Kubrick was definitely one of those
"I don't have any money to buy new clothes and if they paid me to get some I'd probably buy more hoodies." - Mark Wainfur |
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
876 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2006 : 05:42:27
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There's a show that's a version of "Inside the Actor's Studio" for directors, hosted by some guy who looks like the Predator from the Predator movies, a NY Times writer, I think his name is Elvis Mitchell. Anyway, PTA was on around the time Magnolia came out and it was very interesting when he talked about his writing process.
A couple years later I saw Magnolia on IFC and right after I went on the computer to pull up any interviews I could find. I remember reading that he got to hear Aimee Mann's Bachelor #2 album before it was released and that's where he got a lot of the ideas.
The problem I have with him ( and it's not that everything has to have a happy ending ) is that in his movies ( especially Boogie Nights ) really horrible things happen to his characters. There's nothing wrong with that, I just don't like it.
I hadn't gotten a chance to see all the Godfather movies all the way through till a couple of weekends ago, when AMC played them. Over the next couple days I thought about them a lot, while I was at work and before I went to sleep. That's how it was after I saw Magnolia too, and I think that's the sign of a really good movie- when it stays with you after you watch it.
"Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you." JOHN 15:14 |
Edited by - jimmy on 05/07/2006 05:43:54 |
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
2813 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2006 : 21:25:24
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it's high art if you kick a catholic in the crotch,
you'll sell every time. |
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