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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *

France
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Posted - 02/11/2006 :  05:08:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Newo

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Erebus Posted - 02/09/2006 : 20:04:56
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Second, since I wrote that paragraph I have learned things that convince me that the majority of the reaction in the streets is orchestrated for effect.


Now thatīs something that resonates with me. What did you find out?

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Buy your best friend flowers. Buy your lover a beer. Covet thy father. Covet thy neighbour's father. Honour thy lover's beer. Covet thy neighbour's father's wife's sister. Take her to bingo night.



How can anyone think there are spontaneous street riots in Syria?



I will show you fear in a handful of dust
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~

Spain
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Posted - 02/12/2006 :  03:19:36  Show Profile  Click to see Newo's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I was feeling something more subtly in tandem with the release of the cartoons. Iīm not resting blame solely by Arabs for anything, in fact those on the other end of the newspaper spoon donīt seem to feel affinity for any nationality (which is something Iīve got in common with them I suppose) except when stirring the occasinal race/religion war.

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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
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Posted - 02/14/2006 :  20:45:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
EUGENE VOLOKH http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2006_02_12-2006_02_18.shtml#1139785395 :

"So I guess it's not just that we aren't supposed to draw pictures of Mohammed as terrorist, or of Mohammed at all; we aren't even supposed to draw pictures that are obviously not of Mohammed, and that are meant to mock the inability to draw pictures of Mohammed.



"Well, I have to admit: The folks who are offended by this have a First Amendment right to be offended. They should feel entirely free to be offended.

"The rest of us should feel entirely free, as a matter of civility as well as of law, to say: Your decision to be offended by this particular cartoon gives you no rights (again, as a matter of civility as well as of law) to tell us to stop printing it.

"More on the underlying conceptual issue — the difficult but necessary distinction between (more or less) reasonable taking of offense and unreasonable taking of offense — later; I also hope then to talk in some measure about the distinction between this cartoon and others that I do think can reasonably be found to be offensive, and that probably shouldn't (as a matter of civility) have been published in the first instance, though it is proper to publish them now in order to explain the controversy. For now, it seems to me that this incident does plenty to illustrate the danger of the "it's wrong to publish any cartoons that offend people" attitude.

"Particularly as those who espouse this attitude don't really mean it."
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *

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Posted - 02/14/2006 :  20:50:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i love this controversy.

i've not read any of this thread but the last post.

i love how religion, politics and logic are all locked in this grand trainwreck over these cartoons.

BEAUTIFUL.

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Cult_Of_Frank
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Canada
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Posted - 02/14/2006 :  20:56:32  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
It is completely reasonable to take offence.
It is fundamentally allowable to print the cartoons.
It is in poor taste to print the cartoons.
It is insane to resort to violence over the cartoons.

That's my synopsis in 4 lines or less. Well, not less. Plus, does this line count?


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danjersey
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USA
2792 Posts

Posted - 02/14/2006 :  22:29:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Muhammad walks into a bar........
ssssshhhhhhhh.
dont you dare.
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