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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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 Posted - 11/15/2005 : 16:30:52
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Did Frank?
I always thought that "No Aloha" was about "the fax". And I read somewhere that "I Just Wanna Get Along" is about the Pixies even though the cd booklet says that it's Kelly singing.
The "Safari" ep came out between "Pod" and "Last Splash" and Tanya Donelly had just left Throwing Muses- it seems like all those songs are about the break-ups of the Pixies and TM.
I was wondering too if FB wrote any songs about the Pixies or Kim. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 11/15/2005 : 16:35:17
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There has been some speculation by some members of this board that the line "We had a wander seven years out West, It wasn't exactly the wilderness, But I felt like an Israelite" in "Sing for Joy" refers to his years with the Pixies. I am not among those board membes who believe this.
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chineselover
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
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Posted - 11/16/2005 : 05:14:42
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 11/16/2005 : 07:56:29
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Yeah, I always thought No Aloha was about the Pixies break-up. I used to think that Frank's Solid Gold could be about Kim Deal, until some one on the forum pointed out the obvious, that it's about irate motorists!
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 11/16/2005 : 08:24:11
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Originally posted by jimmy
Did Frank?
I always thought that "No Aloha" was about "the fax". And I read somewhere that "I Just Wanna Get Along" is about the Pixies even though the cd booklet says that it's Kelly singing.
The "Safari" ep came out between "Pod" and "Last Splash" and Tanya Donelly had just left Throwing Muses- it seems like all those songs are about the break-ups of the Pixies and TM.
I was wondering too if FB wrote any songs about the Pixies or Kim.
I just wanna get along was written and recorded at the time of POD, but they didn't release it. They rerecorded it for Last Splash. I always thought that it was about Frank Black/Pixies. But now I think it's about a lover (maybe John Murphy)
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 11/16/2005 : 08:28:16
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I always think that all of Frank's songs are about Kim
it's just something that is so very obvious that you expect everywhere
But thinking about how unpersonal Frank's writing is in the FB/TOTY-era
nope, I don't think so
Czar is about John Denver, but
'he didn't need a band, I've got my own gas-tanks'
It must at least popped into his mind
btw, You ain't Me, an angry song
could be about Kim
but I'm not sure of course (I don't think Frank is the person who would write a song of that kind)
'you're so masturbatory', Kim did talk about masturbation according to some biographs I read years ago, never have read it myself though. Biographs can be wrong, who knows
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
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Posted - 11/16/2005 : 08:42:13
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Originally posted by billgoodman
I just wanna get along was written and recorded at the time of POD, but they didn't release it. They rerecorded it for Last Splash. I always thought that it was about Frank Black/Pixies. But now I think it's about a lover (maybe John Murphy)
I think Don't Call Home is about John Murphy.
I always took You Ain't Me to be about journalists.
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onehappyprick
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Posted - 11/16/2005 : 13:56:32
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i always imagine that a lot of pixies songs are written about a secret affair kim and frank were having. especially gigantic. when kim started being phased out in bossa to me they were going through a rough patch, and the aggression of trompe was hte bitter breakup. i know its not true in any way (or do i?), but its fun.
"Goodnight Kim", "Goodnight Charles", "Goodnight Kim", "Goodnight Charles", "Goodnight Joe".... "Goodnight Charles" |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 11/16/2005 : 14:18:55
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kfs
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 11/16/2005 : 16:35:29
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I always imagined 'Do You Love Me Now?' was referring to Frank
...of course I know it could be about anyone.
Also, I recently had a notion that subbacultcha was about Kim even
though I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that it wasn't. Kim seems more like an 'erotic vulture' than the other lady. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 11/16/2005 : 16:42:47
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Originally posted by billgoodman
I just wanna get along was written and recorded at the time of POD, but they didn't release it. They rerecorded it for Last Splash. I always thought that it was about Frank Black/Pixies. But now I think it's about a lover (maybe John Murphy)
I can't remember if it was at a Breeders show or in a magazine, but somewhere Kim Deal said it was about being pulled over by a cop. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 11/17/2005 : 11:39:32
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by billgoodman
I just wanna get along was written and recorded at the time of POD, but they didn't release it. They rerecorded it for Last Splash. I always thought that it was about Frank Black/Pixies. But now I think it's about a lover (maybe John Murphy)
I can't remember if it was at a Breeders show or in a magazine, but somewhere Kim Deal said it was about being pulled over by a cop.
at a breeders show i went to she said it was about the Van Nuys police department, or something |
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chineselover
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
348 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2005 : 12:22:04
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number 13
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 11/18/2005 : 16:24:08
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DruggedBunny
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 11/18/2005 : 20:44:57
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Kelley Deal's song "My Boyfriend Died" refers to the incident with the Pixies in the 2nd paragraph here, years after the Pixies finished:
http://aleceiffel.free.fr/squad.html
"He looks as light as a feather/He *is* as light as a feather!/When I count to three, we will lift him."
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 11/19/2005 : 02:30:22
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What incident, DruggedBunny? You mean them splitting? Or the fax thing, or something?
Found the lyrics to that song:
My Boyfriend Died
He looks sick
He is sick
WOA!!
Home tonies and highballs
I'm happy to be sad
He looks dead
He is Dead
WOA!!
Your not the hero
That fuck
couldn't see
stereophonics, splitsville
and that's allright with me
He looks as light as a feather
he is as light as a feather
when I count to three we will lift him
Lucky I'm winter, a looker and there is shades of black
don't trouble the master he said don't bother him now
home tonies and highballs, he said don't bother him know
My boyfriend died
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illusion dog
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Posted - 11/20/2005 : 04:56:19
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This incident:
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BLACK Francis is laying flat on his back in a hall in Belfast. His eyes are closed. Kim, Joey, David, the Pixies' support band Pale Saints and myself are standing in a circle, looking down at the prone singer. Kim sweetly coaxes all of us onto our knees. "Now." she informs us, "We're gonna levitate Charles by the power of thought. All of you put two fingers under him, then repeat after me." Fingers are slid under Charles bulk. Kim begins her litany. "He looks as light as a feather," she recites. Seven voices repeat the phrase. Nobody thinks this is going to work. "He IS as light as a feather!" concludes Kim triumphantly. "Now pick him up!" We all exert minimal pressure on the singer's body. Amazingly, Charles rises from the ground and hangs six inches from the floor, suspended only by our token effort. We're all grudgingly impressed. Even Kim looks surprised. Unfortunately, we try it again a few seconds later without the mystical phrases and it works just as well. Still. It was a good game, for a while. And on the road for three months, The Pixies have realised that you need good games.
Ahh... ignore the italics. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 11/20/2005 : 08:00:25
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Fank yoo.
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SoKD
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Posted - 11/22/2005 : 10:39:39
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I always thought that IJWGA was about Frank Black, because of lines as:
"we were rich once, before your head exploded" and "if you're so special why aren't you dead".
And the fact that Kim didn't want to include it in "last splash" and changed her mind only after Kelley offered herself to sing it, may be a further proof that she thought the reference was too explicit...
No Aloha? It's about a break-up, I guess, but I'm not sure it's about THE break-up.
Gigantic, I read, it's about an erotic dream Kim once had, where the protagonist had... "a big big love!"... |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 11/22/2005 : 14:17:28
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Originally posted by SoKD
I always thought that IJWGA was about Frank Black, because of lines as:
"we were rich once, before your head exploded" and "if you're so special why aren't you dead".
And the fact that Kim didn't want to include it in "last splash" and changed her mind only after Kelley offered herself to sing it, may be a further proof that she thought the reference was too explicit...
No Aloha? It's about a break-up, I guess, but I'm not sure it's about THE break-up.
Gigantic, I read, it's about an erotic dream Kim once had, where the protagonist had... "a big big love!"...
I thought gigantic was about a movie or a book
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 11/22/2005 : 18:48:04
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gigantic is about fucking a black guy with a stereotypically big nob. god, you guys are the lamest pixies fans ever.
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
876 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2005 : 18:59:14
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I think FB wanted to distance himself so much from the Pixies and the Pixies sound (especially w/ FB and TOTY) that he would've avoided anything that seems like a reference to them plus he probably knows it's better not to even give people the satisfaction of knowing that that they pissed you off.
I've always been interested in the Throwing Muses split when Tanya left. I remember a Kristin Hersh interview from 1994 when they asked her about the Belly record and she said she "heard it once, in a club". It seemed pretty snotty- they'd been friends since they were kids and I know if someone that I had been close with put out an album, I'd go out and buy it.
From the 1st song, from the 1st Muses album after TD left, "Furious":
"I never taught you to sing/ You carry rocks in your head/ And pitch them without warning"
The 1993 Belly single, "Feed the Tree":
"They put silver where her teeth had been/ Babysilver tooth she grins and grins"
And then the 1995 TM single "Bright Yellow Gun":
"With your bright silver grin/ You own sin/ And I think I need a little poison"
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SoKD
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Italy
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Posted - 11/23/2005 : 10:43:42
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(BIT OT)
Actually, Hersh and Tonelly were stepsisters, so they were "more than just friends". Anyway, if they argued in the past, it's ok now, since Tanya sang some backing vocals in the last Throwing Muses album, quoted as "the prodigal Muse".
I always think about Kristin Hersh when I listen to a Belly B-Side called Thief (beautiful song, BTW): "Because of you I came, because of you I leave"... "She's dragging me through places I didn't want to be seen"... "I wanna know why the monsters that hurt you so, don't look like those things we battled so long ago" (this may be a reference to Kristin's mental illness)"And I thought I did my part,
When I pulled you out of there"... Mmm... as I'm writing these lines, I realise the song could also be about Kim Deal\The Breeders... |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
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Posted - 11/23/2005 : 11:19:19
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Fuck, I don't know if I ever heard that they were stepsisters, or else I forgot hearing that long ago!
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SoKD
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Posted - 11/24/2005 : 06:38:43
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"The band was formed in 1983 by step-sisters Kristin Hersh (vocals/guitar) and Tanya Donelly (guitar/vocals)"
(taken from: http://www.4ad.com/throwingmuses/profile/ ).
I think they grew up together in a kinda "hippie family", so the word "step-sister" should be taken in a wide sense... |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
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Posted - 11/24/2005 : 11:28:26
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Interesting. BTW, greetings SoKD.
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geertos
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Posted - 11/25/2005 : 06:58:34
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| Yeah, Donelly and Hersh were friends as kids already, always hanging out together. So in the end, their parents also get to know each other ... and like each other. Eventually they divorced so two of them could marry each other or at least become a couple. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 11/25/2005 : 07:55:30
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ok, I read here that You ain't me is indeed about 'popculture'
http://members.cox.net/fbsi/
best site ever
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
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Posted - 11/25/2005 : 08:36:20
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You Ain't Me was a hit in France?! I know COR went top 10 over there!
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billgoodman
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Posted - 11/25/2005 : 09:45:57
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pretty strange, If you ask me
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 11/27/2005 : 15:40:33
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Hi, SoKD, I know that KH and TD were step-sisters, but from what I read, they knew each other and were friendly before they became step-sisters. Anyway, I agree with you mean about "Thief". "Untogether" from Belly's "Star" also sounds like it's about KH. I love the "Best of Belly" CD- it's great to read about what some of the songs are about.
So, what part of Italy are you from; have you always lived there? |
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SoKD
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Posted - 11/28/2005 : 10:16:18
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I love the "Best of Belly" CD- it's great to read about what some of the songs are about.
I couldn't agree more. For those, just like me (and not you, I guess), who don't speak english as a native language it's always good to have some "hint" about the meaning of the songs... And all these guys from the "Boston scene" (Black, Deal, Donelly, Hersh) do like being hermetic!!! 
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So, what part of Italy are you from; have you always lived there?
I'm from the town that gave birth to San Valentino (St. Valentine). Just between St. Peter and St. Francis. And yep, I always lived here. |
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2005 : 16:49:05
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SoKD, Italy seems like such a great country to live in, maybe it's different when you've always lived there, but it must be interesting. I'd like to go someday (my mom's side of the family comes from the island of Malfa near Sicily)
Do you have the Muses CDs "In A Doghouse"? I've got all the songs but I'd really like to know what the packaging inside is like, pictures, if KH wrote any liner notes, ect. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 12/02/2005 : 01:15:12
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in a doghouse has great artwork
a nice line note by KH (not like tanya on the best of belly though)
and some great pictures (young tanya, kristin, david, leslie)
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number 13
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Posted - 12/02/2005 : 05:37:38
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Originally posted by jimmy
I think FB wanted to distance himself so much from the Pixies and the Pixies sound (especially w/ FB and TOTY) that he would've avoided anything that seems like a reference to them plus he probably knows it's better not to even give people the satisfaction of knowing that that they pissed you off.
That's why he included Brackish Boy (an unreleased song from the Trompe's sessions) on his first and eponymous record ! That's why he asked Joey to collaborate once again with him on Frank Black and Teenager too... Joey toured with him also in 1993. 
I think we could find some similarities on his two first lps and the Pixies. Just listen to Brackish, Freedom Rock, Los Angeles, Bad Wicked World just to name a few. The sound and style are familiar, don't you think?
Frank Black began to distance himself from his previous band, the 1994 tour attests from this, but it's really with Cult Of Ray that he didn't sound anymore as the Pixies. Defintely no reminescence at all... Just pure rock & roll.
(I was exposing my opinion from a sound and style point of view, not studying the lyrics). |
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chineselover
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/02/2005 : 06:46:25
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| There is not doubt that he was trying to distance himself - you can see this in interviews etc, or maybe suffice to say he wanted to make sure that other people thought he didn't care about his old band, in order to stop all the questions. If you remember at the time that the huge deal about the mysterious forth coming debut album from former pixies frontman was that he was actually going to sing! |
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Did Kim Deal write songs about the break-up?
