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mrgrieves1971
= Cult of Ray =
USA
544 Posts |
 Posted - 11/08/2005 : 15:43:29
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2005 : 16:06:50
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i worked all day today as a democratic challenger, as a friend of a friend is running for mayor of a local town. i'm about to go to his (hopefully) victory party.
-Brian
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2005 : 17:01:28
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A party really interested in beating Bush might have found someone more charismatic than him (there´s gotta be at least a few out of 300 million) but that man suits the state down to the ground because he is not an arena for public debate. It´s a one-party state masquerading as a two-party. If it was otherwise, with the diversity of colours and languages in the US there would have been a president who wasn´t white by now, and choosing between two guys from the same college fraternity? well there´s a ghoulish sense of humour at work there. What do the candidates have to be Siamsese twins before everyone says Hey they´re fucking us!
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2005 : 17:02:25
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Good for you Brian.
My brother-in-law's brother is hopefully going to become the new mayor of St. Paul, MN tonight. Defeating a "democrat" who endorsed Bush in 2004. |
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
1972 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2005 : 23:11:05
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republicans are hurting my ass.
repeatedly.
in my sleep.
its the whole cloroform thing.
and i know its the republicans too because they always leave the door open and the toilet seat up and the trashcan full of glow in the dark condoms and receipts from Hooters. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2005 : 23:56:50
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Republicans are hurting this country.
As well as many others.
 I am not a number. I am a free man! |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2005 : 08:48:39
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What do the candidates have to be Siamsese twins before everyone says Hey they´re fucking us!
That reminds me of the Futurama episode where the two main candidates for the presidency of Earth are clones.
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares." |
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1485 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2005 : 09:53:45
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Well, the good news in my neck of the woods is that our ol' Governator seems to be on the outs after yesterdays elections.
Bring on the next victim! |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2005 : 11:22:19
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Maybe they'll recall HIM, too. Then Gary Coleman will have another shot!
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares." |
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1485 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2005 : 12:46:43
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2005 : 07:21:52
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I'd like to pre-empt any Erebus reply with the following: an argument against or link to an article detailing the wrong doings of the Democratic National Party or one or more of its members is NOT an effective (or otherwise) defence of the Repulican Party, it's members or supporters. Thank you.
and you are ill prepared to fight
living in a world of soft and white
in air conditioned battle zones
I pity you!
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2005 : 07:24:37
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quote:
Originally posted by speedy_m
I'd like to pre-empt any Erebus reply with the following: an argument against or link to an article detailing the wrong doings of the Democratic National Party or one or more of its members is NOT an effective (or otherwise) defence of the Repulican Party, it's members or supporters. Thank you.
and you are ill prepared to fight
living in a world of soft and white
in air conditioned battle zones
I pity you!
you took the words straight from dayanara's head!
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2463 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2005 : 07:30:33
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2005 : 08:11:36
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the title, what speedy said, or are you in on my crap in joke?
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2005 : 09:39:32
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quote:
Originally posted by speedy_m
I'd like to pre-empt any Erebus reply with the following: an argument against or link to an article detailing the wrong doings of the Democratic National Party or one or more of its members is NOT an effective (or otherwise) defence of the Repulican Party, it's members or supporters. Thank you.
Funny that you should say that when this thread basically asserts a pro-Dem position by attacking the alleged wrong doings of the Repubs.
I admit that one of the best arguments for the Republicans is that they are not Democrats. As I have argued many times, the Dems cannot be taken seriously on national security, and their social-welfare domestic policies are not based on sound appreciation of human nature. Regarding whether arguing against the Dems might consitute an "effective" defense of the Repubs, I suggest that timely attention to detailing the wrong doings of the Commies and Nazis could have provided effective defense of the state and its people, even without actively promoting their oppositions. And yes, I think I am comparing the Dems to the Commies and Nazis, at least in terms of the wrongheadedness of their fundamental assumptions and the long-term threat they pose to individual freedoms. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2005 : 10:09:39
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you can't simply compare either Democrates or Republicans to
the Stalinistic Sovjet-Union or Nazi-Germany. That's an insult to all the people
who died under their regime. If you don't know why....read a book
or don't, shit, I don't care
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2005 : 10:10:23
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I will address only your first statement. I know I've said this before, and I really don't feel it needs to be said again, but you seem to have some issue comprehending this fundamental point: attacking the Republican Party, in any way, for any reason, is not in and of itself a pro-Democratic position. Serioulsy Erebus, I'm just tired of it. I am not an American. I don't vote in your elections and I have no say in who runs your country. When I attack your government (be it George W., Karl Rove, or anyone else), I am NOT taking a de facto pro-Democratic position. I think of your two party system as the Republican Party and the Republican Party Lite. Are you so trapped within the confines of that system that you beleive there are only two sides to any story?
and you are ill prepared to fight
living in a world of soft and white
in air conditioned battle zones
I pity you!
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2005 : 10:21:24
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quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
you can't simply compare either Democrates or Republicans to
the Stalinistic Sovjet-Union or Nazi-Germany. That's an insult to all the people
who died under their regime. If you don't know why....read a book
or don't, shit, I don't care
I think I adequately qualified the comparison, and I don't hear you complaining about the constant labelling of Bush and the Republicans as fascists, Nazis, and the like. |
Edited by - Erebus on 11/10/2005 10:42:24 |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2005 : 10:39:10
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quote:
Originally posted by speedy_m
I will address only your first statement. I know I've said this before, and I really don't feel it needs to be said again, but you seem to have some issue comprehending this fundamental point: attacking the Republican Party, in any way, for any reason, is not in and of itself a pro-Democratic position. Serioulsy Erebus, I'm just tired of it. I am not an American. I don't vote in your elections and I have no say in who runs your country. When I attack your government (be it George W., Karl Rove, or anyone else), I am NOT taking a de facto pro-Democratic position. I think of your two party system as the Republican Party and the Republican Party Lite. Are you so trapped within the confines of that system that you beleive there are only two sides to any story?
I am not trapped when it comes to imagining alternatives, but when it comes to the realities of political power, it's Dems vs. Repubs here in America. I would prefer to see a coalition of true libertarians and civil libertarians. That might offer a political party I could more easily support. But speaking from political pragmatism, most of my energy is expended against the Dems and their dangerous naivety. There is a significant difference between the parties. Just ask bin Ladin, Kim Jong-il, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Hu Jintao which party they want to see in power. |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2005 : 10:41:49
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I imagine then that the leaders you've listed above aren't happy with the deals they've made with the Republican party in the past?
and you are ill prepared to fight
living in a world of soft and white
in air conditioned battle zones
I pity you!
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2005 : 10:45:07
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| I agree that the Repubs have been wrong in many of their dealings with autocratic regimes, but I repeat that the autocrats would prefer to deal with the accommodationist Dems. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2005 : 10:54:24
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| What complaints would bin Ladin have with the Bush administration? He seems to be doing just fine. Just opened a new branch in Iraq. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2005 : 11:37:54
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quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
you can't simply compare either Democrates or Republicans to
the Stalinistic Sovjet-Union or Nazi-Germany. That's an insult to all the people
who died under their regime. If you don't know why....read a book
or don't, shit, I don't care
I think I adequately qualified the comparison, and I don't hear you complaining about the constant labelling of Bush and the Republicans as fascists, Nazis, and the like.
Don't I complain about the the comparison of Republicans to Nazis in my first freakin' sentence?
people only have the right to compare leaders to Stalin or Hitler when they are as bad or about the be as bad as them.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2005 : 13:03:48
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quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
you can't simply compare either Democrates or Republicans to
the Stalinistic Sovjet-Union or Nazi-Germany. That's an insult to all the people
who died under their regime. If you don't know why....read a book
or don't, shit, I don't care
I think I adequately qualified the comparison, and I don't hear you complaining about the constant labelling of Bush and the Republicans as fascists, Nazis, and the like.
Don't I complain about the the comparison of Republicans to Nazis in my first freakin' sentence?
I was referring to the silence in response to the first fifty times it happened on this forum. Believe me, I in no way mean to slight the victims of totalitarianism. It was a mistake for me to get into that. |
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
1972 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2005 : 19:12:42
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[edit]
removed stupid stuff and left the following valid and substantive contribution to the discussion:
i dont mind the republicans so much...I just wish they'd stop celebrating excessive masculinity and hegemonically promoting the patriarchial society as the road to heaven.
and cloroforming me and anally raping me at night.
like for them to stop that too. |
Edited by - KimStanleyRobinson on 11/11/2005 18:12:44 |
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1485 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2005 : 20:54:52
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| I go through all these political threads and I never post a reply because politics is such a sticky subject and arguing never seems to get anywhere. But I will say that I respect Erebus' lone attempts at trying to balance the scale in an obviously liberal (for lack of a better term) minded forum. I may not agree with a lot of his views but he is right when he talks about the pervasive naivete in much of the "liberal" world. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2005 : 03:24:36
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quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
you can't simply compare either Democrates or Republicans to
the Stalinistic Sovjet-Union or Nazi-Germany. That's an insult to all the people
who died under their regime. If you don't know why....read a book
or don't, shit, I don't care
I think I adequately qualified the comparison, and I don't hear you complaining about the constant labelling of Bush and the Republicans as fascists, Nazis, and the like.
Don't I complain about the the comparison of Republicans to Nazis in my first freakin' sentence?
I was referring to the silence in response to the first fifty times it happened on this forum. Believe me, I in no way mean to slight the victims of totalitarianism. It was a mistake for me to get into that.
ok, good.
my post were refering to those first 50 times too
it's not a right vs left thing
remember
ultraleft and ultraright are almost the same
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2005 : 10:32:20
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quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
remember
ultraleft and ultraright are almost the same
There's truth to that. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2005 : 11:43:09
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quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
remember
ultraleft and ultraright are almost the same
There's truth to that.
Do you imagine that you're not part of the ultra-right? |
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =
394 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2005 : 12:54:05
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quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
remember
ultraleft and ultraright are almost the same
There's truth to that.
I like this development. It is a development, right? I think it is development. |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2005 : 14:56:14
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darwin
> Teenager of the Year <
Costa Rica
3140 Posts
Posted - 11/12/2005 : 11:43:09
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Originally posted by Erebus
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Originally posted by billgoodman
remember
ultraleft and ultraright are almost the same
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There's truth to that.
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Do you imagine that you're not part of the ultra-right?
As long as we keep imposing geographical coordinates on things as fluid as opinions we´ll always be perplexed.
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Buy your best friend flowers. Buy your lover a beer. Covet thy father. Covet thy neighbour's father. Honour thy lover's beer. Covet thy neighbour's father's wife's sister. Take her to bingo night. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2005 : 14:22:36
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quote:
Originally posted by darwin
quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
remember
ultraleft and ultraright are almost the same
There's truth to that.
Do you imagine that you're not part of the ultra-right?
The short answer is "Yes". As no doubt do many of us, I see myself as something of a political renegade. But then this all hinges on the definition of ultra-right. I see the ultra-right and -left as those who would impose a rigid agenda upon a people, expecially in terms of domestic policies. The ultras are so sure that they know what is correct and proper that they set out to impose their views on all, most especially those who oppose. I know the ultra-right want us all to be good little Xians, and they would control school curricula, etc. I am against this, but I'm much more concerned about the control the ultra-left has imposed upon US law and social policy. To my mind that is where the threat lies. But you know that, and I don’t want to reopen the entire mess here. This is the third time I’ve tried to frame a reply to your question and each time I have become bogged down in definitions.
I really am, or try to be, a hard-core libertarian. As such I reject the premises of both the ultras. The only planks of my agenda are stability where US interests are concerned and resistance to any agenda from either of the ultras. Because in the last seventy years the left has been far more successful at imposing its agenda upon the American people and because the left seems incomprehensively unrealistic on terrorism, I side with the Republicans.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 01:32:13
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I see myself as something of a political renegade
This is so cool.
You know what would be cool?
"Republicans are hunting this country"
That would be cool.
 I have joined the Cult Of Frank/And I have dearly paid |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2005 : 13:47:40
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What about "Republicans are flirting with this country"?
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares." |
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Republicans are hurting this country
