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martian-honey
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Posted - 09/04/2005 :  13:04:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
so, whats your favourite quote?

i geuss mine would have to be. "Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just being nostalgic, but it seems that all the stupid pop songs from yesterday are better than the stupid pop songs of today"
-Frank Black.

dont be shy, one of you has to be the first to quote jimmy hendrix!

VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

USA
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Posted - 09/04/2005 :  13:28:35  Show Profile  Visit VoVat's Homepage  Click to see VoVat's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
When I first saw the thread title, I thought it was going to be a list of quotes by The Rock. I'm relieved. <g>

"The music press seem to have it in their heads nowadays that it must categorise everything. Do you know what I mean. Labels...they're post-punk, funk, new wave with a hint of modernism. I want to give them one big label that describes everything. Nothing more. It's quite simple. This is pop! You're damn right it is!" --Andy Partridge



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Cheeseman1000
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Iceland
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Posted - 09/04/2005 :  13:46:55  Show Profile  Visit Cheeseman1000's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Is this a place for comments or just for quotes? I have a certain amount of sympathy with Andy Partridge there, but I'm more inclined to let the use of labels go: they're music critics, part of their job is to explain what a record sounds like in no more than 200 words. If you use labels, then the reader will have at least some idea of what they're buying if they haven't heard it. I'm more prone to comparisons myself, but labels can be a useful tool, for that purpose.


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sharkey
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Posted - 09/04/2005 :  14:15:33  Show Profile  Click to see sharkey's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
"Most rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read." - Frank Zappa
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Iceland
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Posted - 09/04/2005 :  14:17:23  Show Profile  Visit Cheeseman1000's Homepage  Reply with Quote
"Writing about music is like dancing about architecture" - David Byrne, I think.


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VoVat
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USA
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Posted - 09/04/2005 :  14:24:30  Show Profile  Visit VoVat's Homepage  Click to see VoVat's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
I'm more inclined to let the use of labels go: they're music critics, part of their job is to explain what a record sounds like in no more than 200 words.


I think it's difficult to come up with an appropriate label for a lot of bands, though. Not to mention that some people are probably turned off by labels, even if they'd actually like the bands that received those labels. I guess there's a difference between genres (which certainly can be useful) and the ridiculous, nonsensical labels that music critics sometimes use.

While I'm on the subject, does anyone ever buy music at the recommendation of a critic? I'm sometimes inclined to pay attention to critical reviews of movies, but I don't think I've ever done that with music. I'm more likely to pay attention to the musical opinions of people who aren't professional critics. I mean, the critics are the people who can't write a Frank review without mentioning Nirvana and asking, "How comes he don't scream no more?" Not all music critics are like that, to be sure, but enough are that it's kind of soured me on the entire profession.



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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1485 Posts

Posted - 09/04/2005 :  14:30:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
David Byrne describing Stop Making Sense: The Movie

"It's like 60 minutes, on acid."
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Cheeseman1000
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Iceland
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Posted - 09/04/2005 :  14:32:50  Show Profile  Visit Cheeseman1000's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'd be more likely to read a review and then try and score a free copy.
I agree with your points re labelling, though, some critics take it too far. I think musicians get in a huff sometimes though, they can be kind of precious. Have you ever met someone in a band that will readily categorise their music? Usually, its "well, its a bit of this, a bit of that, something unique". Just the artistic temperament, I guess.


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VoVat
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Posted - 09/04/2005 :  15:28:50  Show Profile  Visit VoVat's Homepage  Click to see VoVat's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Well, nobody wants to think that their work can be easily pigeonholed, I suppose.



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Scarla O
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/05/2005 :  02:16:42  Show Profile  Visit Scarla O's Homepage  Reply with Quote

Having the critics praise you is like having the hangman say you've got a pretty neck.
(Eli Wallach)

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the tips turn down oh my vicious thumbs...
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1834 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2005 :  09:35:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What comes first to mind, paraphrasing here are:

Bowie: ~ Hitler was the greatest rock and roller of all time: he staged an entire country. ~

Rolling Stone magazine in the mid-70s: ~ Eric Clapton is living proof that you do make better music on drugs. ~


Regarding buying albums on the basis of reviews, I usually hold off because I find I'm most likely to regret a purchase because the lead vocalist puts me off despite the charms of the band otherwise. Reviews often don't capture the idiosycracies of the vocalist. I'll like the punch of a band while hating some emo-type vocals. If the review does intrigue, most often on the basis of those tired comparisons to bands I like, I'll research allmusic.com and read a few more reviews. Once bitten twice shy. I'm more likely to buy on the basis of a review if the disc is an indie compilation, tribute disc, or something similar. I figure I'll like at least some of the tracks and often end up getting some obscure disc by some overlooked band. Of course this forum has led me to some finds, mostly because I've grown to trust (some) opinions here. One blessing of bittorrent is downloading shows to see whether bands warrant further interest. I've found more than a few fine acoustic performances by bands that otherwise don't interest me much, QOTSA for example.
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Perk
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USA
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Posted - 09/05/2005 :  22:29:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What about John Lennon saying
The Beatles were bigger than Jesus or God ?
It was reported out of context by a DJ and masses
of people revolted by burning their records.
oops

Don't sweat the petty things
and don't pet the sweaty things
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <

Poland
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Posted - 09/06/2005 :  06:33:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
rocks don't talk


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Surfer Rosa
> Teenager of the Year <

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Posted - 09/06/2005 :  06:50:46  Show Profile  Visit Surfer Rosa's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The one that sticks in my mind is Frank on being told to smile for a photograph:

"True beauty never smiles"



Fire made it good.
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50 Pence
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
284 Posts

Posted - 09/06/2005 :  06:50:48  Show Profile  Visit 50 Pence's Homepage  Reply with Quote
LOLZABAD, what a jokind. Also the beatles were not rock. Niether was bowie.

Blats
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -

Ireland
11546 Posts

Posted - 09/06/2005 :  06:53:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I do have a quote from an actual rock; 'I am a rock, I am an island'. ;)
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50 Pence
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
284 Posts

Posted - 09/06/2005 :  06:57:23  Show Profile  Visit 50 Pence's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Can you smell what the rock is cookin'

Blats
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

USA
9168 Posts

Posted - 09/06/2005 :  13:57:55  Show Profile  Visit VoVat's Homepage  Click to see VoVat's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
The Beatles and Bowie were not rocks, but they were (and are, in some cases) rock musicians.



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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~

Belize
5305 Posts

Posted - 09/06/2005 :  20:39:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Get it while you can" Jannis Joplin

"I ain't goin to be what I ain't"
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tisasawath
= Cult of Ray =

Wallis and Futuna Islands
783 Posts

Posted - 09/07/2005 :  01:45:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"I am not a fucking dancing bear" - frnk blck

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AAAAWWWWWRRRIIGGHHTTTTT ! !
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *

France
1718 Posts

Posted - 09/07/2005 :  04:34:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"By [Rolling Stone magazine] standards, Rock is no longer a style of music but a trendy costume to be whipped up by expensive stylists and slapped onto the latest pop tart barbie doll. Give a girl some tight pants and a spiky bracelet and POOF! She ROCKS!"

-Maya Price (NOT Joan Jett)


I jumped on the Frank Black Bandwagon/'Cause Pixies are so 2004
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -

Ireland
11546 Posts

Posted - 09/07/2005 :  07:41:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You have to have enough rocks to fill your 'rock quota.'
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Broken Face
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USA
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Posted - 09/07/2005 :  07:59:22  Show Profile  Visit Broken Face's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Cheeseman1000

"Writing about music is like dancing about architecture" - David Byrne, I think.


How's that for a slice of fried gold?



i've always heard that atrributed to Zappa...

-Brian
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<

Iceland
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Posted - 09/07/2005 :  08:28:22  Show Profile  Visit Cheeseman1000's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You could be right - if Talking Heads have an album title vaguely related to archictecture, then that probably threw me.


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martian-honey
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/07/2005 :  09:17:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I do have a quote from an actual rock; 'I am a rock, I am an island'. ;)

...And a rock feels no pain
And an island never cries!

how exactly did you meet this rock?
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VoVat
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USA
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Posted - 09/07/2005 :  10:33:33  Show Profile  Visit VoVat's Homepage  Click to see VoVat's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
And his mama loves him like a rock, too.



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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1485 Posts

Posted - 09/07/2005 :  19:41:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Look here Jabroni, The Rock will layeth the smacketh down."
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -

Ireland
11546 Posts

Posted - 09/09/2005 :  09:23:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by martian-honey

I do have a quote from an actual rock; 'I am a rock, I am an island'. ;)

...And a rock feels no pain
And an island never cries!

how exactly did you meet this rock?



At Plymouth rock. I did'nt land on it, it landed on me!!
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Oil Boy
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USA
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Posted - 09/10/2005 :  08:34:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another Zappa quote...

"Music without improvisation is like movies without bad guys."
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martian-honey
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/11/2005 :  04:46:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the bad guys are always my favourites!



leaves of three, let them be.
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VoVat
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Posted - 09/11/2005 :  09:24:48  Show Profile  Visit VoVat's Homepage  Click to see VoVat's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Then is improvisation also your favorite?



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Oil Boy
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Posted - 09/13/2005 :  08:20:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by VoVat

Then is improvisation also your favorite?



I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied.



It depends on my mood. How's that for a vague answer? If I go to a show & they play all their tunes exactly as they are on the CD, it's pretty boring in my mind. Even the way that Frank/Pixies speed up, slow down or rearrange songs is a form of improvisation. I've been to some jazz shows where I was literally speechless afterwards... and that's 99% improv. But then again, if that's all I listened to, it would get pretty damn boring.

That's one of the many reasons I love Zappa, he did everything... rock, jazz, classical, etc... not many people can pull that off.

(Great signature, by the way... "Stalk of Wheat" is a great tune.)
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VoVat
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Posted - 09/14/2005 :  11:47:30  Show Profile  Visit VoVat's Homepage  Click to see VoVat's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I think improvization can be good, but jamming rarely is. There's a difference.



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