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One Who Hath Swum
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 Posted - 08/29/2005 : 12:20:38
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Anyone else have this non-supposed-to-be-there digital crackle on their copy of Honeycomb?
And no it's not my player.
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frank_black_francis
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 13:56:48
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Yep....i notice it more when I play it on my DVD player....I assumed it might have something to do with the Copy-Controlled format....strange things also happen on my other copy-controlled CDs....notably the RADIOHEAD CDs, which take longer to load (Honeycomb also takes longer to load).
If the UPS guy is driving around in a Mercedes truck...I think we should still be impressed because, hey, its a Mercedes. |
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Someone
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 22:40:05
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MMD
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 04:32:14
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Honeycomb has copy-controll? Well hello first Frank Black album I won't be buying. (Edit: I hope it's just on the Back Porch version and not the Cooking Vinyl)
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What is Copy-Controlled format?
If it's what I think it is then it's a method to try and stop people spreading music on the internet, basically they take the CD standard and mash a bunch of it up with false or scrambled layers, purposely filling some parts of the data on the CD with garbage to try and stop you extracting the audio onto a PC. They screw around with it so much that albums which have it are technically not CD's because they don't meet the standards and they aren't allowed to use the CompactDisc logo. Many end users won't be able to play the CD on their computers and there are also many cases where they won't play on certain stereos or other players and they can possibly lead to digital artifacts like the ones this thread is about. It doesn't work of course and the user who knows what they are doing can get around it and the album still ends up on the internet, copy-control free. In the end the only effect is to inconvenience paying customers, it’s a waste of money and generally an all round bad thing.
'The basis of the technique is the observation that computer CD-ROM drives are generally cleverer than simple CD players and are more likely to notice errors on the disc. By putting intentionally bad or misleading data onto a disc, it was found that it was possible to confuse most computers but still have the majority of normal CD players play the disc apparently without problem.'
More info: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/7/10/181528/569 |
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geertos
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 05:13:08
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Z_Zoquis
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 06:54:08
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| I've got a couple of these "copy-protected" CD's and have had no problem at all ripping tracks to burn discs for in the car. I don't have a problem with them trying to keep piracy at bay (even though I don't buy the notion that "piracy" is killing the music industry in any way, shape, or form), but I do have a problem with copy protection plans that "don't seem to affect performance on most cd players." I mean what does that mean? Does it mean that the better my CD player is the more likely it is to have problems playing the CD? That's brutal imho. |
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Someone
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 08:02:40
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So they are trying to prevent any ripping of the cd? That blows. How are ninth graders going to woo girls with there hip taste in music and show their sensitive side without making them a mix cd. Of courese in my day it was a mix tape. But I don't think girls today would stand for that shit.
And what if your only cd player is your computer? |
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misleadtheworld
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 08:29:56
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Girls still like mix-tapes.
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MMD
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 08:37:15
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And what if your only cd player is your computer?
Basically the record labels that use this 'protection' are saying tough luck with their actions. I have heard of some newer discs that have the CD audio and then also compressed (and therefore lower quality) audio in their own inflexible format which automatically plays when you put the CD into a computer with their included player. You can't get these files from the disc or really do anything with them, neither would you want to. If you paid for a CD of CD quality you're going to be annoyed if you find you're only allowed to listen to it in a less than downloaded music quality. This also takes up room on the disc which I guess means there is less room for the main CD audio data.
Legally you are allowed to make a backup of data you own, the first thing I do when I buy any CD is put it into my computer, rip it then put the CD away for safekeeping. When I went to University I had all my CD's stored on my computer as mp3's so I didn't have to transport around 150 albums in jewel cases half way up and down the country a few times a year, this is all allowed under law but the copy controlled scheme wants to put an end to it.
If you want to download an album from the internet however it comes bullshit free, the 'pirates' don't suffer from copy-controll, they never have contact with the original controlled CD, the only people who have to deal with it are the ones who actually paid for it. |
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offerw
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Posted - 08/30/2005 : 11:54:41
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The Cooking Vinyl cd has no digital crackle or copy protection. My copy of Honeycomb plays fine on the PC, I've had no problems burning a few tracks to a mix cd. Back Porch probably has copy protection on all their releases?
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MMD
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Posted - 09/02/2005 : 09:41:26
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The Cooking Vinyl cd has no digital crackle or copy protection. My copy of Honeycomb plays fine on the PC, I've had no problems burning a few tracks to a mix cd. Back Porch probably has copy protection on all their releases?
This is what I'm thinking too which is good because it means I can still buy Honeycomb, cookingvinyl have never let me down yet. Boohiss to you BackPorch.
“Not since Orson Welles had one man so many fingers in so many pies, and been the chef as well. And then looked like he went and ate them all. The guy was out of control.” |
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floop
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Posted - 09/02/2005 : 10:15:30
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i have a backporch version and i haven't noticed any crackle and had not problem loading it on my computer.
i don't listen to Honeycomb that much though so maybe i missed it |
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Distortion Crackle on Honeycomb
