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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
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 Posted - 08/04/2005 : 03:25:49
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| Ok, Ive had this a year now, and have gotten into it in the last month... I can't stop listening to it... I love it but its ruined alot of other music for me... I listen to other stuff and it just seems childish compared to this (with they're lovely little melodies and their simplistic lyrics of love and crap).... Obviously i still love frank and de pixies stuff but im finding my self bored with near anything else... Don Van Vliet is an genius, what else can i say.... |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 08/04/2005 : 03:38:45
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| That's an album you can usually get pretty cheap in sales. i've been tempted to check it out before. It's gotten a lot of acclaim, in any case. |
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
488 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2005 : 03:55:03
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| i can't praise it highly enough.... but don't expect to love it at first... it's difficult and will test ure patience but worth it, when it clicks, its amazing.... Its like a project of sorts, worth the money... |
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
1079 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2005 : 04:31:41
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Oh... Captain Beefheart... Weird music isn't it? Weird and delightful.
I particularly love "Safe as Milk".
The same phenomenom towards "straight" music occured to me when I discovered Pere Ubu. Don't worry, baby... As perception gets wider it seems everything else gets smaller. It is just a matter of point of view. Mind your third eye.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2005 : 04:44:12
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It´s a wonderful album, popular music turned inside out. Mirrorman Sessions is great too.
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Les cacahuetes c'est le mouvement perpétuel à la portée de l'homme . |
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
1079 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2005 : 04:48:33
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Candy Corn!!! I want some!
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2005 : 04:51:42
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Goan take you for a ride on my tarotplane.
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Les cacahuetes c'est le mouvement perpétuel à la portée de l'homme . |
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
488 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2005 : 04:56:17
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| "A squid eating dough in a polythene bag is fast & bulbous" |
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
1079 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2005 : 04:56:28
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Grr.. I don't have the latest re-edition with the whole session... By da way it's "Kandy Korn".
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2005 : 05:03:18
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Got me?
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Les cacahuetes c'est le mouvement perpétuel à la portée de l'homme . |
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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <
France
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
488 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2005 : 05:18:27
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cassandra is, ... listen to paucho cadaver, ella guru, sugar n spikes.....
then try and get into more of the song's.... them three have some great wordplay .. |
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Surfer Rosa
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 08/04/2005 : 05:38:44
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I've always been very intrigued by this album - maybe it's time to finally take the plunge.
(But now I'm wondering what it's like if cassandra is finds it hard to get into - yet can do Fantomas with such ease)
The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it. |
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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <
France
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geertos
- FB Fan -
Belgium
158 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2005 : 07:37:39
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Buy this album. It's the best value for money you'll ever get: 78 minutes, available in midprice, and after ten years of listening to it, I still feel like I need another 20 years to fully understand it.
The mythical weirdness of this album is not overexagerated. And mythical is the right word. Because there has been made far mor experimental music than this (which is basicly jazzy bluesrock), yet no other album creates a "what the hell is all this" reaction like this one. I guess it relies basicly on the trick of singing (talking) slightly out of phase to the instrumental track, but it does the job.
But whether it makes a great record or not, I still haven't figured out yet. Just like most people, I seem to like especially the more conventional, melodic songs (Moonlight on Vermont on top) and the a capella ones. Some songs are just mediocre (Dali's Car), boring (When big Joan sets up) or annoying (The Blimp), but I guess that's a part of the charm of a widespreading doublealbum.
I baffles me why this album is widely available everywhere (deservedly), but its almost as legendary follow-up, Lick My Decals Off Baby, has been out of print for ages. Sure look forward to hearing that one. |
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
488 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2005 : 09:15:53
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| (When big Joan sets up) or (The Blimp) !!!! man,u just mentioned 2 classic songs, its the Blimp FRANK, the Blimp !! When i see you floating down the gutter, ill give u a bottle of wine.... class..... when u realize (yourself) that nearly every note is meant and rehearsed, you'll find it amazing... and even being told that its all rehearsed seems like a joke.... its only when u get it, that u get facinated by it... hobo chang ba..... |
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
1972 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2005 : 14:36:46
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yes, The Mascara Snake. Fast and bulbous. Also, tapered.
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
2792 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2005 : 21:06:41
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i have never that i know of have heard Capt. Beefheart. would this be a proper introduction?
edit: www.beefheart.com/runpaint/index.html
i have'nt had a listen yet i got a look. |
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geertos
- FB Fan -
Belgium
158 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2005 : 00:33:26
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I know everything is rehearsed, I've seen the BBC documentary on the making of this album : the Magic Band in one room recording its stuff, Don Van Vliet in the room next door, singing and playing his flute to the delayed reverb of the Magic Band, coming from the other room. That’s why it all seems out of phase, but with great results : check out Van Vliet’s flute solo in Pachuco Cadaver !
I've also heard the intrumental versions of this album on the 5cd rarities compilation, a revelation! The instrumental tracks are more often than not pretty straightforward.
At first, The Blimp was one of my favorites, but once the novelty wears off, it reveals itself to be a rather thin song. It's an execption to almost all of the other songs, that just get better and better with each listen.
- Rocket Mortin takes off again into the wind! What do you run on, Rocket Mortin? (say beans)
- I run on beans! I run on laser beans !
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twist
- FB Fan -
USA
191 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2005 : 16:34:11
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| Also recommended - Dust Sucker (english import), great live versions of Bat Chain Puller and Floppy Boot Stomp and more. Was lucky enough to see Captain Beefheart and the Magic Band a couple of times, I guess Don Van Vliet's gotta follow his muse but it was sad to see him turn his back on music. How can I find out about this BBC doc.? |
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mhotter
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Posted - 08/06/2005 : 09:10:19
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| Great album for a Beefheart newbie - Clear Spot (usually sold packaged with The Spotlight Kid), Beefheart at his bluesiest, without the avant-garde albert aylerisms. Also, Frank Black associate Eric Drew Feldman played on some of Beefheart's last albums, like Doc at the Radar Station, which finds Beefheart back in hard-edged and angular "Trout Mask" mode. |
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geertos
- FB Fan -
Belgium
158 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2005 : 12:30:00
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Originally posted by twist
How can I find out about this BBC doc.?
I assume it was a bbc-doc because that's where I saw it, maybe 5 years ago. It was a longish (80 minutes or so) documentary on Don Van Vliet in general, but at least half an hour was about Trout Mask Replica. That's all I know. |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2007 : 08:09:10
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I saw yuh baby dancin un yer X-ray gingham dress
I knew you were under duress
I knew you under yer dress
listening to dis hyeugh lots lately. got the Doc Radar Station one from the library too, the one with ED Feldman and Morris Tepper.
Recently read a funny piece about Van Vliet where Morris Tepper said the guy would tell him the wildest and weirdest stories after which Tepper and EDF would roll their eyes at each other and later they would always hear the same story from the same person Van Vliet had told the story about. He said they'd be out on tour and some weirdo would say to them "Did I ever tell you about when Don and I saw that spaceship?"
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Allen Ginsberg says you got no soul. The ancient Egyptians say you got seven of these bastards, and Pharaohs got fourteen, what they get for being Pharaohs. |
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Luis Bunuel
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Posted - 04/01/2007 : 19:41:34
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| a worthy candidate for best album of all time, the follow up "Lick My Decals Off, Baby" is almost as good, and "Shiny Beast (Bat Chain Puller)" is another fantastic record. The rest of CB's records seem a bit hit or miss for me, but those three are amazing. |
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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velvety
= Cult of Ray =
Portugal
536 Posts |
Posted - 04/14/2007 : 04:38:10
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I've been tempted to buy Trout Mask Replica, but i've chickened out several times. I only have the "Spotlight kid/Clear Spot" cd and some of the songs, especially 'Her eyes are a blue million miles' and 'Big eyed beans from Venus' are incredible songs, but those songs are more "normal" sounding, I guess, like something Pere Ubu would have come up with.
It seems like Trout Mask Replica requires such a big commitment for someone to take something from it...? |
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TarTar
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 04/30/2007 : 19:50:06
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I bought this album several months ago because I was in need of experiencing some Beefheart, having known him for years as the guy who sang "Willie the Pimp" and that's about all. I have to say that upon initial listenings I was thinking, "Why did I buy this album? It's too thick in the realm of chaos to enjoy" but after a few listens I enjoyed parts of it, as expected, but ended up putting it away for awhile. I've since gotten it out a few times and given it a whirl and more and more it has been dawning on me how fantastic the album is, and the last couple days I've been *really* feeling it. I still find it a bit trying to get through the entire record, but that's probably more due to it's length than the enjoyability level. I mean, it's a really focused listen that this music requires and I often don't sit down these days and devote 80 minutes straight of active listening to music, which is a damn shame, but it's just how it be.
My life is dirt but you seem to make it cleaner... reduce my felony to a misdemeanor |
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 04/30/2007 : 22:41:40
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This is one of those things I feel I missed outon, but am too old to have the time and energy to try to like. Same with Zappa. I know some people that are fanatics, but it's just too daunting.
So much music, so little time.
Same with books. I feel bad that I've missed some of the greats, but sadly Harry Potter is the only book I can finish these days. I'm glad I read the Dune books back in the day because I can't imagine having the energy to keep it all straight these days.
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50 Pence
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
284 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2007 : 07:23:56
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Beefheart's music is so refereshingly different, reminds me of when I first started loving the Pixies. Kinda like TarTar said; to get the most out of his stuff you have to sit down and devote time purely to listen. Bloody worth it though. I love TMR and Doc at the radar station atm.
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