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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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 Posted - 07/30/2005 : 01:12:59
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Eh? Did I miss something?
Apparently, they've confirmed the existence of a tenth planet of the solar system, called '2003 UB313'. Catchy.
You'd think this would be bigger news...
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/30/2005 : 04:23:45
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I saw this hidden away in the science and technology section of the BBC website yesterday, I guess people have got bad guys to focus on so something like a new planet gets overlooked, heh.
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 07/30/2005 : 04:44:56
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its been known theres another planet for ages??
*reads article*
ok, only confirmed now
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/30/2005 : 05:24:55
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This is different from Sedna though isn't it, which is about the same size as Pluto. Doesn't that mean we have eleven planets? Why hasn't Sedna been ratified yet?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3511678.stm
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bumblebeeboy2
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bumblebeeboy2
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Posted - 07/30/2005 : 06:31:34
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Astronomers are to rethink the system for classifying planets following the discovery of what some claim is the 10th in the Solar System.
A working group of the International Astronomy Union (IAU) will consider whether objects such as Sedna should be classed as planets.
The IAU says the group will consider the definition of a minimum size for a planet.
But in the meantime Sedna will not be considered one.
The outcome could lead to a demotion for Pluto, which some astronomers argue is too small to be called a planet.
"If we were starting anew, undoubtedly Pluto wouldn't be labelled a planet," Professor Iwan Williams, of the IAU, told BBC News Online.
"But we have almost a 100 years of culture that says Pluto's a planet. So the IAU will set up a working group to try to ponder the imponderable."
Sedna, named unofficially after the Inuit goddess of the sea, is the latest in a string of icy objects approaching the size of Pluto discovered in the outer reaches of the Solar System.
Sedna is believed to be about three-quarters of the size of Pluto, based on measurements of light reflected from its surface detected by telescopes on Earth.
Many astronomers, including Mike Brown of the California Institute of Technology, who led the team that discovered Sedna, admit it is not a true planet, preferring to describe it as a planetoid - somewhere between a planet and an asteroid.
But like other objects found in recent months that inhabit the band of cosmic debris beyond the Inner Solar System, the Kuiper Belt, it is much bigger than a typical asteroid.
Some believe it is only a matter of time before another such body is found which dwarfs Pluto.
Reclassifying Pluto is one way to solve the dilemma. When it was discovered in 1930 it was thought to be much bigger - and thus more planet-like - than it really is.
However, the astronomical community will not take kindly to the idea of downgrading Pluto's status. The last time it was suggested, in 1999, it caused an uproar.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3516952.stm
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/30/2005 : 06:46:25
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Interesting stuff. I hope they release more info on it soon. I wanna book my holidays for next year.
Don't believe the type!
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 07/30/2005 : 14:34:37
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2005 : 14:57:37
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Funny, I'm just watching Alien now.
Sigourney Weaver look fabulous in those skimpy knickers. The rest of the film isn't bad either.
Don't believe the type!
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
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Posted - 07/30/2005 : 15:12:50
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Alien is on? Oh hell I've missed half of it.
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 07/30/2005 : 15:32:40
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Is that the Jamaican bobsled one?
How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2005 : 19:19:02
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quote:
Originally posted by bumblebeeboy2
check out the alien at the end, dangling from the ship, it's so obviously just a guy in a suit, looks really funny now. 
Just saw a bit of the 'chestburster' scene, earlier!
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/31/2005 : 02:12:52
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quote:
Originally posted by bumblebeeboy2
check out the alien at the end, dangling from the ship, it's so obviously just a guy in a suit, looks really funny now.
The Monkey Helper has arrived http://www.monkeyhelper.co.uk (that is my band)
or to go straight to the music downloads http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/monkeyhelpermusic.htm
Maybe but the rest of the film looks amazing. So ahead of it's time.
Don't believe the type!
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2005 : 08:39:06
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 Lucy Lawless will be chuffed! |
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/01/2005 : 15:16:43
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i heard they were gonna call it "toba is cool".
hey, do you want to see toba in my telescope? wow. that's cool. yup-hence the name. |
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/01/2005 : 16:05:10
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I remember back in the late 70's there was a tenth body they detected (but obviously could not see) by gravitational mathematics beyond Pluto...they shortly called it Planet X (ex, or ten). About ten years later they theorized an Oort Belt, or cloud, made up of billions of comets and debris. Then a couple years back, as someone stated above, Planet X became Sedna, and, again via mathematics, was supposed to be as large as Saturn. So, is this new 2003UB313 what was called Sedna, or Planet X? Or is it an 11th planet? I'm very confused...and is it in, before, or beyond this Oort Belt? (Is what I'm thinking the Oort cloud or belt what the Kuiper Belt is?) I used to be fairly up on this stuff, but I've become rusty.
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/02/2005 : 01:49:50
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It's a 'kuiper belt object' and although bigger than Pluto it must have a maximum diameter of less than 2000km apparently.
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Joey Joe Jo Jr. Chabadoo
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 08/02/2005 : 02:26:03
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Whouaa, Freak out!
Did you know they turned the name of Uranus into Urectum ?
Coin coin...
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/02/2005 : 08:00:13
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But isn't a Kuiper Belt object considered an asteroid or chunk of debris? This sounds like they're definatley saying it's a planet, which would excuse it from a Kuiper 'object'. As far as I recall, the Kuiper Belt starts after Uranus which would include Neptune and Pluto as planets 'within'. I'm confused by this 2003UB313, because what was the thing they found 26 years ago? Is this it...just confirmed? Does anyone remember the thing dubbed Planet X? There's so much creepy stuff out there, I love it!
I was alone...in my BIG BED
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/02/2005 : 08:56:02
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I read a while back that astronomers had decided that the orbital eccentricities of the outer planets could be accounted for without the need for a new 'planet X' and i think since then, the search for a larger '10th planet' has been put increasingly on the backburner.
Yes most kuiper belt objects are icy rocks but the problem astronomers face is one of definition - when is a rock a planet?
Because astronomers last century called Pluto a planet, they now feel obliged to call any other body of comparable or greater size a planet.
Lots of people think that Pluto is also a stray body from the kuiper belt that just happens to be that bit closer to us (and thus more visible) than the thousand of other perhaps similarly sized object further out.
There is even talk of Pluto being demoted from its planet status!
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/02/2005 : 09:24:54
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I think that would be harsh on Pluto. I understand that its size is an issue, but then it does have a fairly sizeable moon - relatively speaking - which IMO makes it more like a planet.
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/02/2005 : 09:27:02
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Poor Pluto! Somewhat off-subject, but are Voyager's 1 & 2 still transmitting data? They have got to be way out in the Kuiper Belt by now...I remember scientists speculating that we will be able to continue to recieve data all the way up to 2030. Since Kuiper theorized this belt 90-some odd years ago (if I am not mistaken), wouldn't NASA have thought about making sure the Voyagers would burrow deep into it? And also, didn't NASA launch Voyager 2 first, which met up with Voyager 1 at Jupiter (I think V1 was on a shorter trajectory and got there some 8 months early)? I remember how exciting all that was! Isn't the solar system cool??!! I love it!
I was alone...in my BIG BED
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/02/2005 : 11:40:36
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had this bookmarked, TM...here ya go.
http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/index.html
both voyagers have been operating for over 10K days...they're still receiving messages from the 2 craft. amazing! |
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/02/2005 : 14:24:32
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Thanks, toba. I'm still confused by this whole 2003UB313 thing. It seems very fishy.
I'm also still positive that Voyager 1 was launched after Voyager 2. I glanced through those links, but could find no proof. I will look further when I have more time though.
If anyone can support me with info, please do, because it's going to drive me crazy. In '77, I was in 2nd grade, and did a report late in the year about the two probes...and I remember that being one of the first clear cut examples of the word 'irony' to me...that although Voyager 1 was first, it was launched second.
Anyway, now I'm on a rant...and wearin' Beckett's pants...
Thanks again, toba.
I was alone...in my BIG BED
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/02/2005 : 15:05:05
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Thanks, Llama...I knew it! Cool deal. Kim Deal. Raw Deal starring Swarzenegger. Let's Make a Deal. What's the big deal? Dealy Plaza. Deal of the century. Deal-a-meal. Malt-O-Meal.
I wish I could travel the solar system. I stayed up all night in 1989 and watched Voyager 2 transmit live data from Neptune. That was so exciting to me.
I would give up my life on Earth to sail the solar sytem, all the way through the Kaiper Belt, into the termination shock wall, through the Oort Cloud, and travel a million miles an hour through the heliosheath until the sun's gravity finally gives out and I swim out into nothingness...a black void between systems. No stars. Maybe a black hole! But there would have to be gravity...probably pockets of radiation...trapped heat...who knows? I wanna go! Who'd go with me?
I was alone...in my BIG BED
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 08/02/2005 : 15:11:57
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quote:
Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
I would give up my life on Earth to sail the solar sytem, all the way through the Kaiper Belt, into the termination shock wall, through the Oort Cloud, and travel a million miles an hour through the heliosheath until the sun's gravity finally gives out and I swim out into nothingness...a black void between systems. No stars. Maybe a black hole! But there would have to be gravity...probably pockets of radiation...trapped heat...who knows? I wanna go! Who'd go with me?
That's a Frank song right there.
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/02/2005 : 15:43:03
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I'll go with ya, TM. I'll bring my iPod, my laptop, and my Yahtzee! game. best 4,984,345,453 games out of 10,000,000,000 wins!
what three items would you bring on an interstellar voyage?
(reminder--voyager's been going since 1977, nearly 30 years, and is approximately 94 AU (1 AU=sun-earth distance, or 14 Billion Kilometers) and is travelling something like 60K kilometers/hour and will reach the distance of our nearest star (outside the solar system of course), Proxima Centauri, in about 80000 years.
who would you bring along with you, if you could last the trip?
and yes, Voy.1 was launched 16 days after Voy.2 :) good job, TM. High marks for you! |
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/02/2005 : 16:08:32
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Let's go, toba! What three things would I bring? Hmmm...
since you'd be bringing your Ipod, I'm guessing you'll have Pixies and FB stuff on there, so I wont need my cd's. I'd have to bring some dvd's...can I throw a bunch in a folder and call it one item? If so, I'd bring about 300 movies (big folder). A box of blank paper and pencils to draw. And a never-ending supply of Newcastle. That's a lot though. We could use your laptop for the dvd's, and you can have some of my beers...deal? Who would I bring? Dang...no one at present. I'm so excited.
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/03/2005 : 01:23:58
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quote:
Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
I stayed up all night in 1989 and watched Voyager 2 transmit live data from Neptune. That was so exciting to me.
That was fantastic wasn't it?
Especially the images of Triton.
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/03/2005 : 08:13:04
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quote:
Originally posted by Scarla O
quote:
Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
I stayed up all night in 1989 and watched Voyager 2 transmit live data from Neptune. That was so exciting to me.
That was fantastic wasn't it?
Especially the images of Triton.
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Yeah it was! The cool volcanoes spewing ice and methane! What a night!
I was alone...in my BIG BED
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 08/03/2005 : 10:29:04
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Anyone know how to induce an OBE (out of body experience)? I want to leave my body and float to 2003UB313!!!
I was alone...in my BIG BED
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New Planet?
it was on the front page of bbc news earlier today.