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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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 Posted - 07/07/2005 : 17:36:33
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Originally posted by Frog in the Sand
Its quasi inability to evolve and mature
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Coming from a partially Muslim family I am deeply shocked by your assertion. I consider myself as evolved and mature.
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 07/07/2005 : 20:53:39
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Originally posted by starmekitten
because I don't want the other thread clouded and obscured by this.
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The seeds of this grow in the schools of Cairo and Islamabad. How many of those seeds are growing up named Osama or Saddam? How many mosques are used as arms caches? Mullas as cell leaders? Islamic ambulances as attack vehicles? Islam must solve this at its roots or it will be solved for them, most likely by turning their own tactics against them.
So you blame the many for the acts of the few, this is ridiculous. There are a small group of people who are not representative of this religion, who are making the name for the rest of it.
It's not the problem of Islam it's the problem of everyone.
I can't imagine thinking like you erebus, I really can't
And when the next bomb blasts may it not be in your face or someone that you know or someone that you think you have met.
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Stuart
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Posted - 07/07/2005 : 22:38:58
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Originally posted by Dallas
"I'm sorry, where did I call you names?"
I was referring to Stuart, not you.
Well, I apologize for the name calling and maybe going a little bit too far, I was very very drunk last night and over reacted to your post. I pretty much totally disagree with what you are saying, but name calling is for twats and it is something that I shouldn't have done.... sorry.
This is a high class bureau de change, not some Punch & Judy show on the seafront at Margate! |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 07/08/2005 : 08:07:54
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| The home secretary Jack Straw has stated that the attack has all the hallmarks of Al Qaeda, although nothing has been confirmed yet. I have to say, though, don't you just love the way Bush capitalises on this? The transport system in London is up and running again today, albeit the heavier traffic due to the areas of the attack, and flights are not affected, but Bush has US transport on Orange Alert. |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 07/08/2005 : 08:34:28
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Bush has capitalized on this? Absurd actually. Lets see, the US staunchest ally has been attacked in their mass transit infrastructure. Raising security and awareness on the same infrastructure in America is annoyingly logical. Twisting that into opportunism by the President doesn't reach the level of seriousness, let alone intellect.
To follow up on my earlier posts, this was written today by an Iranian Middle East expert:
The London attack was not the work only of the few individuals who carried it out. It was the bitter fruit of a faith that has been hijacked by a minority of extremists while the majority of its adepts watch with a mixture of awe and ill-concealed pride. The real fight against this enemy of humanity will start only when the so-called "silent majority" in Islam speaks out against these murderers and those who brainwash, train, finance and deploy them.
Amir Taheri, an Iranian author and journalist, is a member of Benador Associates.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 07/08/2005 : 09:11:43
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| I'm just saying, it seems like the US goverment is trying to hype things up. Bush seems to have reacted more immeadiately to this than Blair. fair enough, though, you could argue that Britain is'nt employing enough security mesures since the attack. |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/08/2005 : 09:57:46
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How do you hype multiple bombs in population centers? Its a bad thing, it should remind us all that those who wish to destroy us are still at work.
I'm not sure how the Euro press is covering Bush, but, he has gotten almost zero coverage here other than his 1 minute statement of unity. He has ceded the front to Blair as he should.
It just seemed like you were going a long way to find something terrible about Bush. His reaction was completely rote and without imagination. He expressed his pain, anger and sorrow. He offered prayers for the victims and justice for the perpetrators. He raised the alert level on the terrorists target du jour in his home country. I guess I fail to see the sinister angle in all of that. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 07/08/2005 : 10:12:23
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| Perhaps people are too quick to jump on everything Bush (and indeed, Blair does). I suppose we're going on past record. His intentions usually have a sinister angle! |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/08/2005 : 10:58:57
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/08/opinion/08friedman.html?ex=1278475200&en=97fef8736f2ac7d9&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
New York Times
July 8, 2005
If It's a Muslim Problem, It Needs a Muslim Solution
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
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"Because there is no obvious target to retaliate against, and because there are not enough police to police every opening in an open society, either the Muslim world begins to really restrain, inhibit and denounce its own extremists - if it turns out that they are behind the London bombings - or the West is going to do it for them. And the West will do it in a rough, crude way - by simply shutting them out, denying them visas and making every Muslim in its midst guilty until proven innocent.
"And because I think that would be a disaster, it is essential that the Muslim world wake up to the fact that it has a jihadist death cult in its midst. If it does not fight that death cult, that cancer, within its own body politic, it is going to infect Muslim-Western relations everywhere. Only the Muslim world can root out that death cult. It takes a village.
"What do I mean? I mean that the greatest restraint on human behavior is never a policeman or a border guard. The greatest restraint on human behavior is what a culture and a religion deem shameful. It is what the village and its religious and political elders say is wrong or not allowed."
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BrendanT
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 07/08/2005 : 11:09:14
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Everyone wants respect and equality. We are supposed to share this planet. Pity Africa has no oil or we would be paying attention to them as well.
Strummer-man
I had me a vision!
All of a sudden my water broke!
"There was a man Who made a boat To sail away And it sank.". |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 07/08/2005 : 11:11:36
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"Every Muslim living in a Western society suddenly becomes a suspect, becomes a potential walking bomb. And when that happens, it means Western countries are going to be tempted to crack down even harder on their own Muslim populations."
I suppose people are only human, and can't help being frightened or supersticious, but it's pretty hard on ethnic minorities to have to be stared down by strangers in the street at times like these. |
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/08/2005 : 11:40:08
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"I suppose people are only human, and can't help being frightened or supersticious, but it's pretty hard on ethnic minorities to have to be stared down by strangers in the street at times like these."
Yes. That sucks. It sucks alot. It sucks alot less than being blown to bits on your commute, but it still sucks. We are in a real world, not nirvana. There are good and bad things. Is walking down the street being stared at worse than having your Father walk out on your family? Worse than losing a loved one? Of course not. Life is a bitch. Its filled with all types of indignities. My problem is confusing trivial matters with real hardship a day after several dozen people where killed in the streets and subway.
I feel sorry for anyone who faces discrimination or is made to feel like an outcast. However, those folks are on their own for a bit while I spend my time worrying about everyone in the world who doesn't believe Islam is the final word from God and are thus eligible for murder according to the Koran.
Do you think that during the Battle of Britain there were any Brits thinking "I wonder how all of this will effect the Schulz's on their way to coffee tomorrow?"
I'm not trying to be a jackass to you personally Carl, just continuing the conversation. |
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 07/09/2005 : 11:59:52
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Could you guys be nice and tell me what I should do in order to make you believe I am not a human bomb because my first name sounds arabic?
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 07/09/2005 : 12:00:28
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Or perhaps I am a human bomb without knowing it.
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 07/09/2005 : 12:50:41
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How can someone not react to a thread like this and feel offended when a couple of guys post pictures of Laetitia Casta or some other brainless hottie?
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/09/2005 : 12:56:38
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I was talking about this yesterday, my friend said it astounds her that people don't talk about this and people don't care. I guess they don't. All about personal sphere of experience isn't it? people worry about the things that affect them directly and not so much on the worldly issues.
I've left this thread alone a bit. I have some thoughts I need to get in order. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 07/09/2005 : 14:18:32
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Since 9/11 I get a certain vibe from some people when they find out I speak Arabic.
And I'm not Arab or Muslim. Some people have narrow minds and narrower hearts.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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Frog in the Sand
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France
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Posted - 07/09/2005 : 14:47:21
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Originally posted by kathryn
Since 9/11 I get a certain vibe from some people when they find out I speak Arabic.
Wow  congrats, Madame.
Arabic is rich and subtle (even more than French :) but so difficult to learn and pronounce. This makes my vibe towards you even more positive :)
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 07/09/2005 : 18:05:26
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Originally posted by Dallas
"I suppose people are only human, and can't help being frightened or supersticious, but it's pretty hard on ethnic minorities to have to be stared down by strangers in the street at times like these."
Yes. That sucks. It sucks alot. It sucks alot less than being blown to bits on your commute, but it still sucks. We are in a real world, not nirvana. There are good and bad things. Is walking down the street being stared at worse than having your Father walk out on your family? Worse than losing a loved one? Of course not. Life is a bitch. Its filled with all types of indignities. My problem is confusing trivial matters with real hardship a day after several dozen people where killed in the streets and subway.
I feel sorry for anyone who faces discrimination or is made to feel like an outcast. However, those folks are on their own for a bit while I spend my time worrying about everyone in the world who doesn't believe Islam is the final word from God and are thus eligible for murder according to the Koran.
Do you think that during the Battle of Britain there were any Brits thinking "I wonder how all of this will effect the Schulz's on their way to coffee tomorrow?"
I'm not trying to be a jackass to you personally Carl, just continuing the conversation.
Yeah, I see your point. It's just that suspicion and fear don't solve anything. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
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Posted - 07/09/2005 : 18:14:54
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Originally posted by Frog in the Sand
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Originally posted by kathryn
Since 9/11 I get a certain vibe from some people when they find out I speak Arabic.
Wow congrats, Madame.
Arabic is rich and subtle (even more than French :) but so difficult to learn and pronounce. This makes my vibe towards you even more positive :)
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Both are beautiful languages.
And you are so sweet, Frog.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
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Posted - 07/10/2005 : 16:22:36
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Originally posted by The Holiday Son
NimrodsSon for president!
meh. As much as I like Adrian's post, he's far from the only anti-conservative, philosophical young individual who refuses to blindly adhere to traditions, conventions, or norms of society or humanity or whatever you'd want to call it. Ideal? I don't know, but I've spent a lot of my time thinking about stuff like this. |
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astrology
= Cult of Ray =
Saint Lucia
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 09:02:59
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London, Madrid, Bali and the WTC are inside jobs by mossad with the cooperation of the local secret sevices.
more than 100.000 people got killed in Irak since "mission acomplished" thats an average of 120 people daily, car bombs are planted by the US armyin an attempt to provoke a civil war, but at this moment Irak is a Vietnam in which more than 15.000 american soldiers have been killed, more than 30.000 are mutilated and nearly 70.000 more are asking for psycological help. please read Dahr Jamail website he is from Alaska, he is from the States
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/index.php
take a look at the photo galleries, they have more than 3 Londons daily
Imperialism is the problem..not Islam.
and to fight an invader is a sacred right, count you are fucking the people that created civilization and Irak was and is the most secular country in the area where women had the same rights and opportunities than men..
Turn off T.V. and start reading
I'm a pistolero, i'm not shakin in my boots
I'm the ruler of this moon, if u move I shoots
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kathryn
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 11:33:24
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Originally posted by astrology
London, Madrid, Bali and the WTC are inside jobs by mossad with the cooperation of the local secret sevices.
Do you say that in jest or earnest?
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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Homers_pet_monkey
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/11/2005 : 11:41:24
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I don't believe he said it in jest.
Don't believe the type!
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astrology
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Mass Pleeze
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 09:49:07
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Originally posted by Monsieur
Or perhaps I am a human bomb without knowing it.
I will show you fear in a handful of dust
No one has asked you to carry a package for them lately right?
If they do please report them to your nearest airport security geek for immediate uhhhhh....... investigation.
Special delivery - Mr. Grieves?
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Mass Pleeze
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 09:52:27
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[i]I feel sorry for anyone who faces discrimination or is made to feel like an outcast.
Do you think that during the Battle of Britain there were any Brits thinking "I wonder how all of this will effect the Schulz's on their way to coffee tomorrow?"
Good comment - first opinion.
F hilarious - second observation.
Why not Colonel Klink instead of Schulz? I know nothhhhhink!!
Can I interest you in a cup of Mr. Grieves?
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Mass Pleeze
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 10:12:12
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I know quite a few Persians and Palestinians. After 9-11 they were fearful and genuinely sorry for the tragic event.
My colleagues and I helped them cope and rebound. You could feel their anguish, it helped us deal with that carnage.
They all rebounded well, no incidents.
An opinion here, as if it matters:
Some opinions of the right and left always blend together to constitute a better position. MOR fencesitter - a bit more right.
Staunchness overdone, towards either disposition, leads nowhere but to the peculiar political quagmire of indecisiveness that the U.S. Congress and their special interest friends exhibit daily in their quest to do ............ absolutely nada, zippo, zilch.
Except secure more pork for their blessed, respective constituencies.
Did you have your bacon today, Mr. Grieves? Catchfire!
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 10:23:26
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I honestly have no idea what any of that means.
and you're questioning the sciences
and questioning religion
you're looking like an idiot
and you no longer care.
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Mass Pleeze
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 10:34:51
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Ranting against political extremism. No big.
Congress doesn't get the job done, Mr. Grieves, that's all?
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 11:43:03
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| Police in Leeds have raided houses and made some arrests in connecting with the bombings, as you may have heard. |
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starmekitten
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 11:45:56
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I have, I saw. Yorkshire news is going nuts with it. Nutser than the BBC is, there's a lot of "on our own doorstep!" going on
and you're questioning the sciences
and questioning religion
you're looking like an idiot
and you no longer care.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 11:47:36
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| Yeah, ITV news was doing that 'they thought they were far removed from it' spiel earlier! |
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/19/2005 : 02:57:54
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4694441.stm
UK Muslims issue bombings fatwa
British Muslims have condemned the London bomb atrocity
More than 500 British Muslim religious leaders and scholars have issued a fatwa in response to the London bombs.
The religious decree expresses condolences to the families of the victims of the atrocity and wishes the injured a speedy recovery.
It states Islam condemns the use of violence and the destruction of innocent lives and says suicide bombings are "vehemently prohibited".
The formal legal opinion was issued by the British Muslim Forum at Parliament.
More than 50 Muslim religious leaders from around the UK stood together outside the Houses of Parliament to hear the fatwa read out.
Prayer for peace
Gul Mohammad, secretary general of the BMF, quoted the Koran saying: "Whoever kills a human being ... then it is as though he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a human life it is as though he had saved all mankind."
He went on: "Islam's position is clear and unequivocal: murder of one soul is the murder of the whole of humanity; he who shows no respect for human life is an enemy of humanity.
"We pray for the defeat of extremism and terrorism in the world.
"We pray for the peace, security and harmony to triumph in multicultural Great Britain."
The BMF is an umbrella group launched in March 2005 with nearly 300 mosques affiliated to it.
The fatwa will be read out in mosques across the country on 22 July.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4695275.stm
PM set to meet senior UK Muslims
Prime Minister Tony Blair is to meet Muslim leaders and community workers from across Britain at No 10 to discuss how to respond to the London bombings.
Along with opposition leaders, who are also attending, he will ask how young Britons became suicide bombers.
He will offer backing to leaders who expose problems in their communities.
Meanwhile, Egyptian officials are quoted as saying that biochemist Magdi Mahmoud al-Nashar, arrested in Cairo, has no connection with the blasts.
The officials were quoted in Egypt's government newspaper Al Ahram.
The 33-year-old Leeds University chemistry PhD student, arrested as part of the inquiry into the bombings, denies any link.
Tuesday's meeting at Downing Street is one of several this week aimed at reaching the widest possible consensus on action to deal with terrorism and its causes.
The focus will be on how to fight what the prime minister has termed an "evil ideology".
Money laundering
Of the extra money announced by the chancellor, Gordon Brown, £10m will go into the criminal injuries compensation scheme to help those wounded by the bombs.
It will be used to help cover the loss of earnings and unforeseen costs suffered by the victims and their families.
We need a partnership between government and Muslims to show people they are not being ignored and that their concerns will be heard
Inayat Bunglawala
Muslim Council of Britain
It is separate from £1m given by the government to the relief fund set up by London mayor Ken Livingstone and the Red Cross.
A further £10m will go to the Metropolitan Police to help the force with its counter-terrorism work.
The cash is part of a wider package to improve the way terrorist money laundering is tackled.
Mr Brown is asking the Serious and Organised Crime Agency to report on how it plans to respond to a sharp rise in the number of suspicious transactions monitored by financial institutions.
And he is setting up a group of money laundering experts to investigate what more can be done internationally to restrict terrorist cash flows.
'Disenchantment'
Muslim Council of Britain representative Inayat Bunglawala - one of those attending the Downing Street meeting - told GMTV that there had been a "clear increase in disenchantment" among Muslim youths.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai is speaking against militant Islam
"Muslim youths are generally underachieving with high rates of unemployment," he said.
Mr Bunglawala also referred to a report published by UK think-tank Chatham house, which said the Iraq war had made it easier for al-Qaeda to exploit a sense of grievance among the Muslim community.
"It's fair the Government should ask itself whether policies such as those involving the Iraq war have contributed to this," he said.
"We need a partnership between government and Muslims to show people they are not being ignored and that their concerns will be heard."
Mr Blair will also meet Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Tuesday as the UK commits more troops to the country ahead of parliamentary elections later this year.
President Karzai is also likely to use his trip to Britain to take a strong stand against militant Islam and suicide attacks.
Pakistan visit
On Monday, officials in Pakistan confirmed that three of the four London bombers had visited the country last year.
Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30, and Shehzad Tanweer, 22, arrived and left together, and spent three months in the country.
It is not clear how long Hasib Hussain, 18, who flew in last July, stayed in Pakistan.
Security officials have been trying to establish what the men did during their visits.
The three, all Britons of Pakistani descent, and one other bomber were among 56 people killed in the blasts.
and you're questioning the sciences
and questioning religion
you're looking like an idiot
and you no longer care.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 07/19/2005 : 10:45:07
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If you´re really interested in knowing who committed these acts, just ask yourself who benefits the most. Look where the power gravitates and there ye shall find the culprits.
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Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to corner the fish market and marvel at the small acts of philanthropy he commits while depriving most of the world of fish. |
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Islam is not the problem
